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Summed up in the thread title. I was thinking about making an army of sisters of battle, ecchlisiarchy (sp?), holy warriors, etc for a "counts as" chaos army. They would use warp manifestations of the Emperor instead of daemons of chaos. I had this idea when I thought back to long ago, I believe it was Mauleed that thought up the idea of a daemon army using angels instead of daemons. Would it be believable in the 40k background to have a force of Emperor-worshiping warriors that could summon "angels" of the Emperor?
And just for kicks, is the Emperor as much as god as the chaos gods, Gork n Mork, etc?

In the fluff, no no. But for a luagh a angelic style deamons army would be sweet.

To answer your questions, the emprorer isn't a god, the belief that he is started as a misguided cult. The primarchs are in effect, his angels. As they were created by abusing warp power, which in turn is what pissed off the chaos gods.

I just figure that since the Emperor can make living saints (daemon princes) give the sisters of battle miraculous powers on the battlefiend (gifts of chaos), answer prayers, cure people, etc from across the galaxy (general chaos mucking about), creating warp storms (storm of the Emperor's wrath) makes the Emperor seem pretty god-y. I mean if it looks like a god, smells like a god, acts like a god, has the same powers as a god, it's probably a god.

Oh yeh, no doubt he is god-ly.

I think the emperor is deffinately a god, but of a smaller scale. for example, he can conciously control the emperors tarot if he needs to( He did it to warn the imperium of the first waagh in the history of the galaxy).

He's not a god, he's just some poor S.O.B who wound up wired to a throne with psychic powers and stuff.

'E's not a God, 'e's a very naughty boy


/Python'd

Supposedly the Doom Legion is a manifestation of the emperors will, and they're sort of like space marine demons. They like fire.

no hes a god. He has millions worshipping him and doing things in his name. The Ork gods Gork and Mork are basically in the same way, except they are WAY more powerful seeing as they have ALOT more followers. The chaos gods are a tad different as they have been there, before the worshippers started comming. But in the end they are all gods

Uh-uh there are more Imperial followers then there are orks.
AND Gork and Mork don't exist, at least the imperium has proof of our god.

halonachos wrote:Uh-uh there are more Imperial followers then there are orks.
AND Gork and Mork don't exist, at least the imperium has proof of our god.

Ducks for cover from all the flames from the orksies about to head halo's way.

I gladly await those flames, the emperor will protect me.

halonachos wrote:Uh-uh there are more Imperial followers then there are orks.
AND Gork and Mork don't exist, at least the imperium has proof of our god.

there are actually more orks than humans who follow the emperor.

That still does not prove that they exist, neither do the chaos gods.
The only god that exists is the Emperor because you can visit him.

I'm pretty sure the last person to visit the emperor was the leader of the Brides of the Emperor (aka Sisters of Battle) during the Reign of Blood.
EDIT: so it's not like you can just go and get proof that he exists. Very few people know for certain.

in the book eye of terror on the last page it goes on about some greater deamon of tzeentch thinking about how the Emperor is actually a god and the mortals (humans of the imperium) will untimantly fail in keeping him alive in the goldern throne and when that happens there would be a war between the emperor and the chaos gods which the Emperor will win. well thats what i think, it was a while ago when i last read it and cant think the book BUT the Emperor is definatly a god!!

sorry about the spelling FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!!!

ops i ment i cant find the book in the last message my bad!

My thoughts:

Is the Emporer a god? It's possible. Fluff tells us that the creation of gods depends on the number of worshipers (in the case of Gork and Mork) or powerful collective emotions (the Chaos Gods).
Every human in the Imperium worships the Emperor, so it seems safe to say that he could become a god if he were to finaly die. But until then, we will simply have to wait and see.

According to Lexicanum, Daemons are litteraly a tiny part of a Chaos God's essence split off from the whole and given sentience. It seems likely the Emperor would be able to create his own daemons, but it doesn't seem to fit his personlity. During the Great Crusade, the Emperor was all about killing daemons, that might not change after 10K years of unconscienceness.

Fluff aside, an 'Angelic Daemons' army sounds awesome and I say go ahead.

Well I'll say what I said before, the Doom Legion is supposed to be either the spirits of a chapter lost to the warp, or a manifestation of the emperor's will and instead of having a 3+ armor save, they have a 3+ invulnerable save. This sounds pretty daemony to me.

But I've heard that when the emperor gets released or dies, his spirit is supposed to combine with the chaos gods to make a perfect god.
The chaos gods represent different parts of humanity(change, indulgence, decay, and violence) and the emperor is supposed to merge with them to form different god.

your right about the emperor and the chaos gods becoming one god halonachos.

dude i say you should make that army and when you do take plenty of pics to show us

Three words: Star Child Theory.

That aside, Emperor is a god, really? We're talking about a guy who proclaimed he was only a man, spat at every religion, and killed for rumors of cults, not actual proof. You honestly think a guy with an incredible psychic mind is a 'god'? Give me a break.

Gork and Mork, now them be some funny people. Orks are ever expansive and they can only get more followers, where as humanity is in an incredible rate of decline. Have you ever heard of an ork forming a cult within his own religion and starting wars from that? No. Have you heard of humans doing it? OOOOH YEAH!

Imperium has no proof of a god at all. The emperor is but a dead corpse in a stasis-chamber. If you call someone who is in every state dead except for his psychic mind a 'god' then sure, he's a god. God's are not MORTAL, btw.

Chaos has proof of there gods. They grant gifts, destroy lives, play with people, and play an active role in the galaxy. Does the corpse-emperor do that? Nope. In the end, there is proof of only 4 gods and they are the chaos gods. If you can SEE a corpse, then I'd have to say you see a dead man, not a god.

halonachos wrote:Well I'll say what I said before, the Doom Legion is supposed to be either the spirits of a chapter lost to the warp, or a manifestation of the emperor's will and instead of having a 3+ armor save, they have a 3+ invulnerable save. This sounds pretty daemony to me.

You're thinking of the Legion of the Damned. I suggest you read this: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Legion_of_the_Damned
The LotD are actually more like Plague Marines than Daemons.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:Three words: Star Child Theory.

That aside, Emperor is a god, really? We're talking about a guy who proclaimed he was only a man, spat at every religion, and killed for rumors of cults, not actual proof. You honestly think a guy with an incredible psychic mind is a 'god'? Give me a break.

Gork and Mork, now them be some funny people. Orks are ever expansive and they can only get more followers, where as humanity is in an incredible rate of decline. Have you ever heard of an ork forming a cult within his own religion and starting wars from that? No. Have you heard of humans doing it? OOOOH YEAH!

Imperium has no proof of a god at all. The emperor is but a dead corpse in a stasis-chamber. If you call someone who is in every state dead except for his psychic mind a 'god' then sure, he's a god. God's are not MORTAL, btw.

Chaos has proof of there gods. They grant gifts, destroy lives, play with people, and play an active role in the galaxy. Does the corpse-emperor do that? Nope. In the end, there is proof of only 4 gods and they are the chaos gods. If you can SEE a corpse, then I'd have to say you see a dead man, not a god.

Your fluff is accurate: the Emperor hated religion. It was the reason Lorgar betrayed him. But he hated Chaos above all else. If he beleived it advantageous to humantiy in the fight against Chaos to ascend to god-hood, I'm certain he would have accepted that course of action. Becoming a Warp Entity would allow him a more direct way to combat the Chaos Gods, which I'm sure he would not be against.

Supposedly, the Emperor created the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath the destroy Goge Vandire's fleet during the Age of Apostasy. Sisters of Battle are also able to call upon Acts of Faith in combat. Both of these seem like cases of Divine Intervention to me.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:Chaos has proof of there gods. They grant gifts, destroy lives, play with people, and play an active role in the galaxy. Does the corpse-emperor do that? Nope. In the end, there is proof of only 4 gods and they are the chaos gods. If you can SEE a corpse, then I'd have to say you see a dead man, not a god.

Actually, the emperor does grant gifts, destroy lives, play with people, and play an active role in the galaxy. He blesses sisters of battle with miracles in combat, creates living saints, creates warp storms (such as the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath which pretty much ended the Reign of Blood), gives people visions and instructions, and such.

Some people say that the Emperor is the God of Order, countering the Chaos Gods, the Gods of Disorder. Doesn't make sense, though, because a lot of the powers attributed to the Emperor are warp-like (see psykers). "Magic" powers are counter to the idea of Order, since they involve bending or breaking the rules of reality; so anything considered Godlike in the Materium must be Chaotic in nature.

So here's the idea, some people have already suggested it; the Emperor, and all psykers, are actually veins of Chaos that have blossomed in the material realm, sort of like daemons, but more concrete and better rooted. In that sense, the Emperor is a Chaos "God" who happens to be rooting for the forces of Order. His psyker abilities have since been misinterpreted, hence the Imperial Cult.

So... uh. Yeah. I guess he is a God, or at least as much a God as there exists in 40k. He should be able to manifest daem-- I mean, Angels. At least according to my logic.

oh well, how do we know if he emperor isn't dead and assended, cause the high lords wouldn't tell anyone "oh the emperor died", i say who cares if hes is a mortal or god, making the army would still be pretty dam awsome!

yes the emperor is a god, read the fitst parragraph of this http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor in your face! unbeliveres

Commissar Agro wrote:oh well, how do we know if he emperor isn't dead and assended, cause the high lords wouldn't tell anyone "oh the emperor died"

No, but GW would tell us.

If the emperor's body dies then terra gets flooded with daemons through the webway. I guess since he still has a couple mortal cells alive he is not exactly a god like the chaos gods, but he has basically all the same powers.

ph34r wrote:If the emperor's body dies then terra gets flooded with daemons through the webway. I guess since he still has a couple mortal cells alive he is not exactly a god like the chaos gods, but he has basically all the same powers.

That too. I forgot about the Webway.

Oh, no question, absolutely make the army. But this is the fluff section. So we can argue back and forth as much as we like till the Eye blinks.