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i know they worship gork and mork but could they be corrupted say through a magic item or environmental influence?
my fluff is a bit rusty...

Chaos lures and corrupts via human's desires and lusts.

Orks imo are too simple minded to be corrupted , they just want to kill and fight anyways. Thus Chaos probably thinks "w/e just let them be" lol

good point... how about we add the question of mutated by chaos?
i assume anyone/thing can be changed by hanging around the chaos wastes too long?

Well if this is any help,the 40k fluff on a Tau article once spoke of corruption of different races(this was before the site changed)but anyway it said that orks where perfect hosts as they like fighting and just basically hurting things.Yet it also said that orks are very difficult to posses as they have strong will and are not like Luna stated drive by things such as lust or riches,so I would say they can but it is highly unlikely.

Well actually, yes they can, you can even see an illustration of it, look in the deamonhunters codex, go to the back, where the design your own demon army pages are. THere are illustrations of nurgle orks in there.

gameandwatch wrote:Well actually, yes they can, you can even see an illustration of it, look in the deamonhunters codex, go to the back, where the design your own demon army pages are. THere are illustrations of nurgle orks in there.

nice find! thanks...

Here you go, corrupt orkzies...

I think that the chaos gods wouldn't give a gribblie whether of not orks are under their rule or not..

Tzeentch wants change: orks pulling heads of shoulders are in effect changing.

Khorne wants blood: orks kill everything and make lots of blood.

Slaneesh likes sound: revving of chainsaws is a sound. But the cry of "WAAAAAAGH!" is a better sound.

Nurgle likes "strange" joy ( says he is a happy chaos-
god, or something like that...): grotz are quite mischievous.....

Hope this clears some things up.

khorne would benifit most from the orcs, and mayhem adn slaughter are what he feeds off of.

@jackinthetank; nurgle takes pleasure in creating life. he sees the creation of billions of organisms that kill a few others as a beautiful thing.

I remember that Orks are near impossible to corrupt for 2 reasons.

1. Orks are so pure of purpose and spirit that the Chaos power's realms of influence don't affect them.

2. Gork and Mork beat up all the Chaos gods and laughed at them. Seriously.

In the WOC Army Book, there are details of Chaos Goblins, I know they're not proper Orcs but it's a start

P4NC4K3 wrote:In the WOC Army Book, there are details of Chaos Goblins, I know they're not proper Orcs but it's a start

really P4? can you tell me where to save a sec?
that's awesome...

i think those orks are affected by the nurgle zombie plague

Yes, greenskins can be subverted to chaos. They are, however, especially resilient to it due to their simplicity. Also understand the difference between warping (due to proximity to the warp/realm of chaos/collapsed warpgates) and worshipping the ruinous powers (due to culture, ambition, lust, greed, vengence etc).

The idea that orcs and goblins living far to the North would have mutations and chaotic appearance is, to my mind, far more likely than them forsaking their own gods and taking up serving the chaos ones.

"I 'as seen da futcha! Blud God Khorne wants us lads ta serve 'im in endless battles fer 'is glory!!!"

/thawp....

"Yous wot?!? We gunna 'ave all da scrappin we wants anyways n Gork n Mork jus wants us ta make sure we does it 'aving a larf too, an dere's two of dem an only wun Khorne an 'e got 'is own lads, dem spikey boy 'umies, dey ain't no orcs, dey ain't PROPA, DEY.AIN'T.GREEN!!"

Strange that so many of these replies are in regards to 40K given that the question was posted in the Fantasy Battles section.

Greenskins can be turned to Chaos or made undead just like humans, dwarfs and elfs. However, there are no rules governing such things since well... in its quest for a semi-balanced game GW has, in some ways, discouraged less flexibility and creativity in each edition of the game.

But Chaos greenskins have been part of the RPG for quite a while! I suppose in game terms though a Khorne-worshipping Orc or Tzeench-worshiping Goblin or Slaneesh-worshipping Hobgoblin or Nurgle-worshipping Snotling or Troll just isn't different enough from their base form to warrant individual rules.

But, then again, Greenskins have been in rather close contact with Chaos powers without obvious infection by them. Perhaps the most obvious case is the Hobgoblins who work for the Chaos Dwarfs, but don't start getting marks of whatever.

Maybe the Chaos Gods just don't have much interest in greenskins and don't really see investment in any individual greenskin worth their time as any individual greenskin doesn't matter much, having someone else right behind them to pick up their axe/blade and carry on their legacy the second they fall to the ground is what makes them so dangerous.

thanks hob, thanks all...
the reason i ask is i am thinking about converting a night goblin army to a warriors of chaos army using the gobbos as marauders. i have something "different" in mind for the actual warriors
i wanted to make sure my idea wasnt off in left field.

I don't think any of the dark powers want to have anything to do with the greenskins. I wouldn't. They're friggin morons.

Lord Zuol wrote:I don't think any of the dark powers want to have anything to do with the greenskins. I wouldn't. They're friggin morons.

im sure that's what Archaon thought too right up until Grimgor kicked his butt...

It went something like this

Archaon: Behold! I hath becometh the Lorde of All Ruine and Destruction! Tremble mortals, and despaire!

Grimgor: Shut ya trap, Spiky Lad. Get ta fightin'!

But, yes, Orcs can be corrupted by Chaos

honestly though, it's hard to find a good conversion of them.

usernamesareannoying wrote:

Lord Zuol wrote:I don't think any of the dark powers want to have anything to do with the greenskins. I wouldn't. They're friggin morons.

im sure that's what Archaon thought too right up until Grimgor kicked his butt...

Then he though that they are morons, but the big ones can fight!

As I've read it, the orks came from the cataclysm of the old one's gates collapsing, either as something coming through the gates or from the gates themselves. Perhaps the orks were coming through the gates, so the old ones destroyed the gates to block the green skins... fail!

To get to my point- the green skins seem to me to be natural creatures of chaos, only less magical. Like the solid manifestations of chaos that fell from the sky in the great blunder of the old ones was absorbed by the planet and transformed into an organic creature.

AND, as they are natural beings of chaos (and due to their dim wittedness) chaos has never been a temptation for them... that is, because orks live in a constant state of chaos, socially and health wise. They've got enough chaos to go round.

Also, that they have two gods (like yin and yan... sorta) and have no real idea which is which. Rather a chaotic religion... not to mention their crazy magic.

and, sorry for the threadmancy, everyone. It just hadn't been said yet, and I think it's worth it...

Orcs aren't natural beings of Chaos. They're just as natural as humans, elves and dwarves.

In a white dwarf from like 2001, back when warhammer was just those shiny cool guys that I just want to have, they featured daemon hunters, I think it was when they first came out. And they had demonically corrupted orks, an article to propose the adversaries rules in the codex. They modeled orks that were mutated by nurgle and they pretty much went at it with the chaos mutation sprues with rather interesting results.

Orks don't have souls, they are a fungal tumor created as a servant to the old ones (40k wise at least) and so they can't be possessed by a demon. But I think that almost anything can be mutated, corrupted, whatever by chaos.

Actually, Orks do have souls. How else can the Wierdboyz use psychic powers? If they were all soulless, then they'd all be Pariahs, so psychic powers would be weaker in their vicinity and they'd be invisible to Daemons.

Wasn't there a piece of fluff somewhere that Mutated Orcs - since they don't face the persecution the Empire mutants face - tend not to resort to Chaos but see it as a gift from Gork & Mork, or just an extra advantage? Or am I confusing this with Ogres?

Orcs in Fantasy seem pretty resistant to Chaos compared to other factions in Fantasy. Which is more surprising considering how many you often see at one time (Waaagh!'s hundreds of thousands strong). Does a clue lay in the fact that Orcs have their own unique magic system? They are still "Wizards" per-se, but their miscasts are influenced by the Orc Psyche around them instead of the Perils of the Abyss.

Well, the orc psyche in itself creates a sort of "energy" per se, which is amplified during a WAAGH! This new energy can be harnessed by Shamans to devastating, if somewhat hilarious, effects.

Chaos, however, is fueled by Human and Elf emotions. As not only do Orcs not feel these emotions, they also do not dabble in the Winds of Magic, but rather the WAAGH! Energy that they orc mentality creates. This means that it is quite hard for Chaos to influence the Orcish race.

Orcs, if exposed to Chaotic influences, could mutate physically, and even come to worship the Chaos Gods, but the Orc Shamans will still tap in to WAAGH! energy, as the regular Winds of Magic don't register to them.

If Orks have Gods, then they should be susceptible to Chaos. You might even be able to make the argument that one or both of Mork and Gork are Chaos Gods in themselves (kind of like "Khaine" for the Eldar/ Elves) I think they are def. susceptible and would love to see more conversions. The fluff would be easy too. A group of (secretly Khornate) Orks gets kicked out for 'bein' funny' and 'not followin' da chain o' command' after a smaller Ork (with the aid of some Khornate gifts) stomped down a much larger Warboss.

No mystery to this one-everything can be chaos-in Realm of chaos there were universal tables containing profiles for everything in the game from which you could generate the starting creature and profile for chaos champions and daemon princes. Also orcs could be rolled up as followers for champions in the warband section, chaos goblins have a specific entry in the Khorne army list and chaos goblin models were available way back before any army books existed. Goblinoids can be and are chaotics.

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