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Hello

Im little confused with Necromunda Rulebooks
I found several different kinds on internet and I don't really know what they are. Could You please help me ?

1. fist of all, the free rule book which I can download from GW website, which edition is this ?




It's that one ? the latest one ?

2. This one, it's first edition right ? It contains rules, gangs description, history of underhive, weapons description etc. Am right ?




3. But what about this book ?


I have no idea what is that and what's inside.

I think its from Necromunda box. there was also book about making terrain as far as i remember.

4. And here something strange I've found












It's soem kind of collectors edition ? It look like from first edition but it contains Outlanders rules i think. But im not sure.


Im new to Necromunda and due to lack of information and people who actually play it aknd know someting abou it, im very confused.
Would be great if someone could explain me differences between those books.

The top one (1) is actually the most recent printed one, but it is not entirely the same as the PDF version on GW´s site. Either of those two will be your best bet, whether you get the hardcopy or PDF is entirely your call.

The next two "Sourcebook"(3) and "Rulebook"(2), are the ones that used to come with the boxed set. Both of them are needed, since each contains part of the rules.

However, if they are anything like my set (which has not been mishandled by the way, it´s just old), they will be quite fragile by now. They didn´t use the best glue to bind them apparently... :S

The last one (4) looks as if it is a collected set, including the rules in outlanders. I was unaware that such a book even existed, so it may be a custom job, it may also be that I simply missed it originally... Looks legit though, and very nice.
My guess would be that the rules in (4) are the old ones as well.

Hope that helps, if you need more info, just ask.

Thanks
Somebody on WarSeer forum said that there is some rulebook in hardback which contains rules form Rulebook (2), source book and outlanders book. Maybe it's this one ?
It look like original for me, not custom. But I never seen it before.

BTW does anybody know if "How to make necromunda terrain" is avillible in pdf ?

Necromuda originally came with two books, the Rulebook (all the basic rules), and the Source book (background, rules for gangs, and the campaign rules). Both were needed to play the campaign game.

There was one expansion to the game, called Outlanders. It has a rulebook by the same name, which contains Outlaw gangs.

Battle for Survival in the Underhive City is a compellation of White Dwarf articles. It’s not necessary to play the game, but it has some neat additions. I would not pay a bunch for the book, it might have some value to collectors, but it isn’t that valuable for actual gaming.

There were also two Necro magazines, Gang Wars 1-6 and Necromunda magazine 1-12.

Finally, Necromunda Underhive is an update of the original rules. It contains all the information found in the first two books, and changes were made to account for the fact some of the original items needed to play the game are no longer available, such as Sustained Fire dice. The same book is available free download, and I believe the download corrects a lot of typos. There are also updates to the original Outlanders book available for download.

Bottom line is all you need to play the game is Underhive, in hardback or download, your choice.

Don't buy any of the books. Just get the PDF.

And yeah, I'd not seen that compiled one before.

Gobbla wrote:Finally, Necromunda Underhive is an update of the original rules. It contains all the information found in the first two books, and changes were made to account for the fact some of the original items needed to play the game are no longer available, such as Sustained Fire dice. The same book is available free download, and I believe the download corrects a lot of typos.

Let me just elaborate on this point a little.

The Necromunda Underhive book is the same as the original book, just with the changes to sustained fire/templates/new house weapon lists etc. Other than that, it is the same - every original spelling error or mistake from the first Necromunda rulebook is present in this reprint. It's like someone just took the original file, changed the formatting, added a few new bits, and hit 'print'.

Do not buy it.

If you have some old templates and dice, and can get your hand on a single copy of the original rules, I would use those. The changes made in "Underhive" are relatively minor, but I'm not a fan of them.

To elaborate, I don't mind the idea of separate war gear availability based on gang affiliation, but I believe the implementation heavily favors some gangs over others, hurting balance, and thus reducing participation. And I think the old 2nd Ed. templates and dice add to the "retro-cool" factor of Necromunda, and are not overly burdensome for such a small scale game.

Well playing it's not my main task. I have this underhive version in pdf and I can always print it so I dont see neet to buy it. However im collector and getting one of those old books would be nice for me.

I'm thinking about this 4th book ( hardback, yellow & black stripes).

Gobbla wrote:

Battle for Survival in the Underhive City is a compellation of White Dwarf articles. It’s not necessary to play the game, but it has some neat additions. I would not pay a bunch for the book, it might have some value to collectors, but it isn’t that valuable for actual gaming.

You sure ? A few guys told me that it contains old rulebook, things from sourcebook, outlander and photos of all necromunda miniatures...

I believe those guys to be right. (The ones you talked to, that is.) Look at the image you posted of the back cover.
It mentions all those things, also, the page that has been flipped open shows the inner cover of the original Outlanders rulebook.

Doesn´t mention the photos, so not sure about that, but the rest of the stuff seems to be there.

well i hope they are right cause it sounds very nice for me and I would like to have this book for my collection if all those things are inside.

Guy who sells this book told me there are pictures of all old necromunda miniatures. Here's picture. I think its original.



as You can see it's thick, 300 pages or more.

That book is totally legit, and is all the 3 original books (Rulebook, Source Book, Outlanders) stuck together. I can remember when it came out. Seeing pictures of it really makes me want to own a copy though! All the pages from my original books are falling out ;n;

Gobbla is getting confused because there is also a White Dwarf compilation, with the same picture on the front. It's a compilation of all the White Dwarf articles on Necromunda IIRC. Interesting enough, you might have to get that if you want the original Pit slave gang rules?

Either way, the White Dwarf complation is easy to spot because it says exactly what it is on the front cover :]

Dave47 wrote:If you have some old templates and dice, and can get your hand on a single copy of the original rules, I would use those. The changes made in "Underhive" are relatively minor, but I'm not a fan of them.

To elaborate, I don't mind the idea of separate war gear availability based on gang affiliation, but I believe the implementation heavily favors some gangs over others, hurting balance, and thus reducing participation. And I think the old 2nd Ed. templates and dice add to the "retro-cool" factor of Necromunda, and are not overly burdensome for such a small scale game.

Without having access to the original materials, is there an easy way to "put things back" as it were, closer to the originals? Would it just mean allowing the gangs access to all the wargear?

Anyone know of a 'retro-fit' of the most recent rules to be a closer match to the first edition gangs?

Well, three things come to mind.

1. Hand Flamers. These used to have smaller templates, about 3-4 inches long, and otherwise had the exact same rules as flamers, rather than being one shot flamers like they are now.

2. Equipment lists. All gangs had access to all normal weapons. No gang equipment lists. Rare gear was still rare, and had to be gotten off rare trades.


3. Sustained fire. There were special dice for this, numbered 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, "Lightning".
If you rolled the lightning, you had a jam, and your weapon would be jammed for a round per jam.
On some weapons you also had to roll for weapons blowing up if they jammed, I believe.

This is just off the top of my head, there could be more.

Xanthos has most of it right. Those are the three big things.

The only other things that changed are more template rules....Scatters shots used the old 1inch template, frags used the 4 inch I believe, so if you want to retro fit to the old rules, you'll need all those older templates.

The other problem is Outlanders. the Outlanders book and the Hardbound Rulebook included all the rules for Scavvies, Spyrer, Pit Slaves, Wyrd, Beasts and outlaws, which are all, in my opinion , needed for Necromunda.

Having played all the different rules, I recommend playing the newer version (1) or the PDF. If you don't like the House Weapons List, you can ignore them, and I prefer to use old hand flamer templates, but the other changes, like Sustained fire, make the game a bit easier to play.

You know, though....now that I think about it.....if you can get your hands on all the original rulebooks and the original templates and such......that would really be the way to go. It was really about perfect when it came out.....and here's the good news.....I believe the original rulebook has a printed page with the original templates....so you'd just need to photocopy them.

Xanthos and Yetischool, thanks for the info.

I'm a player from way back in 2nd ed, so I think I have all the templates in cardstock (I at least know I have a hand flamer template).

I'll have to see if I can get my hands on outlanders or the big compilation somehow, if those 'complete' the experience. I have a group that likes Necro, but finds the "all human hive" to be a bit boring.

I'm off to do some digging

I'm usually pretty good about Necro. I guess I was thinking about the book that came with Event Cards. My bad.

The Update book has some advantages. You use the same three templates used in 40K, so that’s easy. Models don’t catch on fire. That’s less messy. You don’t need Jam dice. And, I do believe the pdf fixes tons of typos.

I haven’t played in a few years, but the only changes I made to the new book were:

Ignore the House Weapons list. It’s a neat idea poorly executed.

Just use the small round template for the Hand Flamer, and don’t make it one shot. It’s as easy as using the short flame shaped one. That way, Redempt's Exterminators stay unique.

Very important, Sustained Fire is much more deadly with the new rules. To temper this, roll Sustained Fire dice one at a time, instead of a handful. That way, a Jam can stop the shooting sequence.

I will try to get that compilation of old rules. If old templates are there I will upload it

You may want to see this...

http://rapidshare.com/files/226065688/Necromunda_hardback_compilation.pdf

it's full hardback rulebook old necromunda rules + outlanders and some images
Also all old templates

It's not in sale anymore, there is no possible way to get it from GW and it's outdated so i think it's not to big crime. Necromunda rulebook is free anyway

kind of off topic, but I figured this is a better place than a new thread. Do any of you know where I could find the various scenarios and expanded rules from citadel journals and gang war without wasting money on them on ebay?

Shelkrot wrote:kind of off topic, but I figured this is a better place than a new thread. Do any of you know where I could find the various scenarios and expanded rules from citadel journals and gang war without wasting money on them on ebay?

I think it not what You are looking for but also might be useful.
It's set of articles, rules etc from Fanatic

http://www.sg.tacticalwargames.net/fanatic/

not exactly what I was looking for, but there's a lot of fantastic stuff there. Thanks a bunch

For those who are lazy

For additional rules, you should look here.

It's got millions. Found it posted elsewhere on this forum yesterday.

http://www.wargamerau.com/forum/index.ph...opic=79749

EDIT: Ok, I posted a broken link, it should read....

http://www.wargamerau.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=79749