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2009/06/09 23:03:28
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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I'm Bored. Help me come up with the origins for each current USR. Two I know off the top of my head are Furious Charge and Feel No Pain, both stemming from the 3rd ed Blood Angel Codex  I also think Fearless started off in the Chaos Codex.
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2009/06/09 23:34:11
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Run used to be Fleet.....
Oh, Rending used to be a handful of weapons, and then blossomed to at least 1 per 'dex.
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"I went into a hobby-shop to play m'self a game,
The 'ouse Guru 'e up an' sez "The Guard is weak and lame!"
The Chaos gits around the shelves they laughed and snickered in my face,
I outs into the street again an' grabbed my figure-case."
Oh it's "Angels this" an' "Space-wolves that", and "Guardsmen, go away!";
But it's "Thank you for the ordnance" when the Guard begins to play,
O it's "LOOK AT ALL THE ORDNANCE!" when the Guard begins to play.."
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2009/06/09 23:59:50
Subject: Re:USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
Terra
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Stubborn originated as the intractable rule in the 3rd or 2nd ed DA codex. If im wrong please correct me.
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2009/06/10 00:10:06
Subject: Re:USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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AtraAngelis wrote:Stubborn originated as the intractable rule in the 3rd or 2nd ed DA codex. If im wrong please correct me.
Yeah I remember the Stubborn rule from the 3rd ed DA codex. Oddly enough it was more like fearless than the stubborn we have today
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2009/06/10 00:26:20
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Where did SaP come from? Obliterators?
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The Emperor doesn't seem to do much for you but you sure are expected to be mutilated, suffer, and die to make him happy. And is he dead or what? If he's entombed that would mean he's dead as a doornail, right? So, how can he be happy about anything you do, or even give orders to anyone? Are you worshipping the dead now? Is that something you'd really want to do? Because it sounds freaking creepy to me.
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2009/06/10 00:35:26
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Where did SaP come from? Obliterators?
Not Oblits, but the Old OLD OLD Chaos Dex (the very first 3rd edition one printed in 1999) has the rule listed for Thousand Sons. And the correct Acronym is SnP, not SaP  (As in Slow 'n' Purposeful)
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2009/06/10 03:01:27
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Like Shake 'n Bake?
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The Emperor doesn't seem to do much for you but you sure are expected to be mutilated, suffer, and die to make him happy. And is he dead or what? If he's entombed that would mean he's dead as a doornail, right? So, how can he be happy about anything you do, or even give orders to anyone? Are you worshipping the dead now? Is that something you'd really want to do? Because it sounds freaking creepy to me.
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2009/06/10 03:06:21
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Otiose in a Niche
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Turbo boosting for bikes came from the Elfs Who Are Dark and Also in Space codex.
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2009/06/10 03:19:46
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:Turbo boosting for bikes came from the Elfs Who Are Dark and Also in Space codex.
Indeed, and the Rules for jetbikes being able to move 6" in the Assault phase came from the orginal Elfs who are not so Dark and Also in Space Codex
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2009/06/10 03:36:06
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Did "Scout" come from Sentinels?
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  The Happy Guardsman
 Red Templars
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2009/06/10 03:38:58
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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BoxANT wrote:Did "Scout" come from Sentinels?
Damn right it did. 3rd ed IG codex with the free move
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2009/06/10 03:39:51
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Killer Klaivex
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Eternal Warrior came from the Bad Space Marines Who Are Spiky. The name did, anyway. Immunity to instant death has been around for a long time.
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People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. |
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2009/06/10 03:42:36
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Was True Grit gray knights?
(Actually, is it even universal special rule any more?)
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/06/10 03:42:53
The Emperor doesn't seem to do much for you but you sure are expected to be mutilated, suffer, and die to make him happy. And is he dead or what? If he's entombed that would mean he's dead as a doornail, right? So, how can he be happy about anything you do, or even give orders to anyone? Are you worshipping the dead now? Is that something you'd really want to do? Because it sounds freaking creepy to me.
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2009/06/10 03:43:44
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Was True Grit gray knights?
(Actually, is it even universal special rule any more?)
Oooooh We Space Wolf Fanbois gonna get you now.
True Grit was Space Wolves and Space Wolves only! Then Grey Knights, Chaos and Marines all nicked it. And no its not a USR anymore
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2009/06/10 06:43:05
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Everyone learned that DE bikes can go very fast so they copied the same thing with their bikes.
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Comparing tournament records is another form of e-peen measuring.
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2009/06/10 06:52:02
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Gwar! wrote:True Grit was Space Wolves and Space Wolves only! Then Grey Knights, Chaos and Marines all nicked it.
Ah. Didn't everyone steal your Venerable Dreads too?
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The Emperor doesn't seem to do much for you but you sure are expected to be mutilated, suffer, and die to make him happy. And is he dead or what? If he's entombed that would mean he's dead as a doornail, right? So, how can he be happy about anything you do, or even give orders to anyone? Are you worshipping the dead now? Is that something you'd really want to do? Because it sounds freaking creepy to me.
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2009/06/10 12:34:23
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Gwar! wrote:True Grit was Space Wolves and Space Wolves only! Then Grey Knights, Chaos and Marines all nicked it.
Ah. Didn't everyone steal your Venerable Dreads too?
Indeed they did, and counter assault is now part of the general assault rules.
In fact if you REALLY want to go back, the Wolves had one of the last RT army lists which was the template for the 2nd edition marines (and on to now). They had the first servitors (still in production!) and servo arms. I can't remember what other innovations but I think there were some.
Those wolfs are trendsetters!
I could be wrong but I think the first indirect fire rules were from the 2nd edition IG book.
And rapid first IIRC was a marine only rule in 2nd edition. Cause only THE SPASE MURINEZ know how to pull a trigger twice.
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2009/06/10 12:39:28
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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Stubborn and Fearless were both in the 2nd edition main rulebook, I do not know if they were in the original game or not.
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THE HORUS HERESY: Emprah: Hours, go reconquer the galaxy so there can be a new golden age. Horus: But I should be Emprah, bawwwwww! Emprah: Magnus, stop it with the sorcery. Magnus: But I know what's best, bawwwwww! Emprah: Horus, tell Russ to bring Magnus to me because I said so. Horus: Emprah wants you to kill Magnus because he said so. Russ: Fine. Emprah's always right. Plus Ole Red has already been denounced as a traitor and I never liked him anyway. Russ: You're about to die, cyclops! Magnus: O noes! Tzeentch, I choose you! Bawwwww! Russ: Ah well. Now to go kill Horus. Russ: Rowboat, how have you not been doing anything? Guilliman: . . . I've been writing a book. Russ: Sigh. Let's go. Guilliman: And I fought the Word Bearers! Horus: Oh shi--Spess Puppies a'comin? Abbadon: And the Ultramarines, sir. Horus: Who? Anyway, this looks bad. *enter Sanguinis* What are you doing here? Come to join me? Sanguinius: *throws self on Horus's power claws* Alas, I am undone! When you play Castlevania, remember me! *enter Emprah* Emprah: Horus! So my favorite son killed my favorite daughter! Horus: What about the Lion? Emprah: Never liked her. Horus: No one does. Now prepare to die! *mortally wounds Emprah*Emprah: Au contraire, you dick. *kills Horus* Dorn: Okay, now I just plug this into this and . . . okay, it works! Emprah? Hellooooo? Jonson: I did nothing! Guilliman: I did more nothing that you! Jonson: Nuh-uh. I was the most worthless! Guilliman: Have you read my book? Dorn: No one likes that book. Khan: C'mon guys. It's not that bad. Dorn: I guess not. Russ: You all suck. Ima go bring the Emprah back to life.
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2009/06/10 13:18:00
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Cheese Elemental wrote:Eternal Warrior came from the Bad Space Marines Who Are Spiky. The name did, anyway. Immunity to instant death has been around for a long time.
Wasn't that name introduced in the Elf Codex for the Phoenix Lords?
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2009/06/10 13:21:31
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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Overheating on plasma weapons came about from the WD legion of the damned codex for 2nd edition.
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THE HORUS HERESY: Emprah: Hours, go reconquer the galaxy so there can be a new golden age. Horus: But I should be Emprah, bawwwwww! Emprah: Magnus, stop it with the sorcery. Magnus: But I know what's best, bawwwwww! Emprah: Horus, tell Russ to bring Magnus to me because I said so. Horus: Emprah wants you to kill Magnus because he said so. Russ: Fine. Emprah's always right. Plus Ole Red has already been denounced as a traitor and I never liked him anyway. Russ: You're about to die, cyclops! Magnus: O noes! Tzeentch, I choose you! Bawwwww! Russ: Ah well. Now to go kill Horus. Russ: Rowboat, how have you not been doing anything? Guilliman: . . . I've been writing a book. Russ: Sigh. Let's go. Guilliman: And I fought the Word Bearers! Horus: Oh shi--Spess Puppies a'comin? Abbadon: And the Ultramarines, sir. Horus: Who? Anyway, this looks bad. *enter Sanguinis* What are you doing here? Come to join me? Sanguinius: *throws self on Horus's power claws* Alas, I am undone! When you play Castlevania, remember me! *enter Emprah* Emprah: Horus! So my favorite son killed my favorite daughter! Horus: What about the Lion? Emprah: Never liked her. Horus: No one does. Now prepare to die! *mortally wounds Emprah*Emprah: Au contraire, you dick. *kills Horus* Dorn: Okay, now I just plug this into this and . . . okay, it works! Emprah? Hellooooo? Jonson: I did nothing! Guilliman: I did more nothing that you! Jonson: Nuh-uh. I was the most worthless! Guilliman: Have you read my book? Dorn: No one likes that book. Khan: C'mon guys. It's not that bad. Dorn: I guess not. Russ: You all suck. Ima go bring the Emprah back to life.
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2009/06/10 13:42:49
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Was True Grit gray knights?
(Actually, is it even universal special rule any more?)
Space Wolves
They also invented counterattack.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2009/06/10 20:18:49
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Squishy Squig
Alabama
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Fleet - Space Elves & Nids
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2009/06/10 22:09:05
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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And that fleet morphed into the run rule of today.
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"I went into a hobby-shop to play m'self a game,
The 'ouse Guru 'e up an' sez "The Guard is weak and lame!"
The Chaos gits around the shelves they laughed and snickered in my face,
I outs into the street again an' grabbed my figure-case."
Oh it's "Angels this" an' "Space-wolves that", and "Guardsmen, go away!";
But it's "Thank you for the ordnance" when the Guard begins to play,
O it's "LOOK AT ALL THE ORDNANCE!" when the Guard begins to play.."
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2009/06/10 22:15:55
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Who came up with Infiltrate?
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The Emperor doesn't seem to do much for you but you sure are expected to be mutilated, suffer, and die to make him happy. And is he dead or what? If he's entombed that would mean he's dead as a doornail, right? So, how can he be happy about anything you do, or even give orders to anyone? Are you worshipping the dead now? Is that something you'd really want to do? Because it sounds freaking creepy to me.
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2009/06/10 22:19:39
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Not sure, I don't think it started life in a codex, as it has been around since at least 2nd ed. Codex: Ultramarines (The old one not the new one) has "Infiltration" as a Scout Special Rule and says to reffer to the Rulebook.
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2009/06/10 22:23:52
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Hmm. How about scout?
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The Emperor doesn't seem to do much for you but you sure are expected to be mutilated, suffer, and die to make him happy. And is he dead or what? If he's entombed that would mean he's dead as a doornail, right? So, how can he be happy about anything you do, or even give orders to anyone? Are you worshipping the dead now? Is that something you'd really want to do? Because it sounds freaking creepy to me.
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2009/06/10 22:25:43
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Hmm. How about scout?
3rd edition Sentinels. Already covered
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2009/06/10 22:28:47
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Oh, right. BoxANT got it.
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The Emperor doesn't seem to do much for you but you sure are expected to be mutilated, suffer, and die to make him happy. And is he dead or what? If he's entombed that would mean he's dead as a doornail, right? So, how can he be happy about anything you do, or even give orders to anyone? Are you worshipping the dead now? Is that something you'd really want to do? Because it sounds freaking creepy to me.
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2009/06/10 22:59:30
Subject: USR's that began life as Codex Specific Rules
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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The first non-2nd ed model to have Fearless are the 1k Sons in the 3rd edition BBB. The rule is virtually identical to today.
Hormagaunts famously had Leaping, which allowed them to attack with full attacks as long as they were within 2" of a model in Btb, not just in BtB as required by 3rd edition. In the BBB, this rule was called Bounding Leap, but was essentially the same.
The curret artillery rules come from Ork Big Gunz in the BBB.
The original, non-revised DE book has the following rules:
Fleet
Feel no Pain (different from the current USR)
Turboboost
The DE revision included:
A form of stealh (Mandrakes)
Hit & Run
3rd Edition Marines had:
Move through cover (scouts had the current version)
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