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Just curious, wanted to know which army everyone though was the strongest in shooting. I am tempted to say guard over Tau, and then everyone else. Of the "shooty" armies, which one is the more competitive army without doing anything too crazy.

To be honest I'm wanting to start a new army and was set on Necrons until I read the codex...there just isn't enough variety for me. So I'm thinking IG or Tau

IG.

Here's the thing that most people don't realize about the orks, If you base your ork army around one singular principle, than it will surpass any other army out there. For example, If you set up your ork army strickly for shooting ie. twin links, lots of lootas, big shootas out the waazo, etc. you will out shoot any other army on the table. The problem is that most people try to make their army multi-task (shoot, assault, fast attack), which in the long run makes for a losing army.

Tyrands...maybe Orks.

There was once a point I would agree with you on that point.....


And then the IG codex came out.



All that being said, if you're looking for some tasty Anti-hoard fire, take a peek over at the 'nids... things can get a mite ugly over on that side of the fence.

I will actually have to say Dark Eldar...

you get BS4 average, the ability to put on over9k Darklances, disintegrators etc.

shooty DE are shooty.

I am going to say space wolves, not because they are actually shooty, but because everyone seems to just be randomly saying some armies are more shooty than others.

orks have low BS, but a solid wall of lead flying at you doesn't need to aim

I went with the Tau. Markerlights make up for a lower than normal BS, rapid fire lets them plug off a decent amount of shots and their guns are strong, wounding most stuff of 3+.

Tau markerlights strength 5 is the best anti armor, IG best anti horde.

IG is by far the Most shooty army, even if they have a 12% kill ratio per shot (for me anyways). Templates are the name of the game: Warhammer 40TemplateK.

i'm shocked orks aren't on the list, they are one of the most shootiest army in the game.

Try mathhammering out a full shoota boy mob. For 195 pts (no nob in this calculation) you get:

54! bs 2 S 4 18" shoota shots and 9 bs2 s 5 36" big shoota shots. Many a maine squad has fallen to my ork shooting.

In fact.... Here are the results:

Shoota Shots: 50 shots at BS 2, S4 vs T4 AS 3 results in 2.777764 unsaved wounds + 4 more shots which is .22222 unsaved wounds so you're pretty sure to kill 3 marines with just the shootas.

9 Big Shoota Shots, BS 2 S 5 vs marines nets .666 kills! For another 1 dead marine. So ork shooting will take out half a marine squad!

Note: The same mob on the charge kills 4.99999 marines not counting a nob.

Inversely, a full marine squad kills 6.6666 orks out in the open BUT - since most of my orks get 4+ cover saves from KFF's or, are in cover or shooting through stuff (what ork player doesn't do that), it drops marine shooting kills to just 3.3333320. The marine shooting is also assuming the squad did't move and is within 12 inches to rapid fire their bolters. On 10 shots the marine shooting drops to 3.33/1.66(in cover) kills.

Also, Ork shooting cuts a marine squad in half. Marine shooting barley cuts the Ork mob down by a fifth!

IG has 5 plasma cannons on one tank.

Exarch_Nektel wrote:IG has 5 plasma cannons on one tank.

And 3 Twin-linked Lascannons on another. And the best ordinance. And more Meltaguns/Plasmaguns than everyone else.

I voted for IG.

If your pretty new, stick with IG. The Tau are pretty hard to play because while the IG just need to hold the line, maneuvering is your only key to survival with Tau. Then again a Tau victory seems more rewarding.

The IG have the best shooting because the IG have the newest Codex

2000 Volts wrote:i'm shocked orks aren't on the list, they are one of the most shootiest army in the game.

Try mathhammering out a full shoota boy mob. For 195 pts (no nob in this calculation) you get:

54! bs 2 S 4 18" shoota shots and 9 bs2 s 5 36" big shoota shots. Many a maine squad has fallen to my ork shooting.

In fact.... Here are the results:

Shoota Shots: 50 shots at BS 2, S4 vs T4 AS 3 results in 2.777764 unsaved wounds + 4 more shots which is .22222 unsaved wounds so you're pretty sure to kill 3 marines with just the shootas.

9 Big Shoota Shots, BS 2 S 5 vs marines nets .666 kills! For another 1 dead marine. So ork shooting will take out half a marine squad!

Note: The same mob on the charge kills 4.99999 marines not counting a nob.

Inversely, a full marine squad kills 6.6666 orks out in the open BUT - since most of my orks get 4+ cover saves from KFF's or, are in cover or shooting through stuff (what ork player doesn't do that), it drops marine shooting kills to just 3.3333320. The marine shooting is also assuming the squad did't move and is within 12 inches to rapid fire their bolters. On 10 shots the marine shooting drops to 3.33/1.66(in cover) kills.

Also, Ork shooting cuts a marine squad in half. Marine shooting barley cuts the Ork mob down by a fifth!

Yes, that is 195 pts

for 201 pts, you can have a Guard Infantry Platoon with:

PCS
3x 10 man squads with 1x Grenade Launcher and Sgt with Bolt Pistol

Combined squad, issue FRFSRF.......

That is 48 S3 shots at 24", or 72 shots at 12"
+ 3 Grenade Launcher shots
+ 3 Bolt Pistol shots
+ PCS shots

Orks, if only because they can throw down hundreds of dice in a single shooting phase.

Well to be honest I use to play orks and didn't even think to put them on here....I was a speed freak player.

Yeah I think guard would be a fun army to play with and it would be nice to join the imperium for once.

Cool, thanks for all the replies!

I voted Tau because I play Tau.

3 Broadsides w/their twin-linked railguns = 1 ded tank.

I looked at this as a 1 on 1 style. If those listed were to shoot head to head, I voted Necrons. Good BS, guass so basically nothing is safe (if your lucky enough that is lol) good saves and the WBB save.
Sure the Tau have stronger guns and SM are well, SM. But if you pit them like I was saying, the Necrons would take the cake


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AND SERIOUSLY PEOPLE READ THE DAMN POLL! He asked about those listed. Not some other army. Dear lord this is a failed exercise in reading questions

He has an "other" option, so be chill yo.

I voted IG. They can coat the field in fire so easily. More easily than the Orks because of the awesome template might they have. Orks really suffer in the AV13+ anti-tank department, and going shooting hampers that even more, as you aren't running at all speed towards them with Powerklaws infront.

I would have to say orks.
or do you mean who has the best weapons.

While Tau were supposed to be the shooty race, they are vastly out shot by IG, Eldar, and Dark Eldar.

All in all though, with the current codexes, IG is able to field more fire power than any other army, hands down.

thebufenator wrote:

Yes, that is 195 pts

for 201 pts, you can have a Guard Infantry Platoon with:

PCS
3x 10 man squads with 1x Grenade Launcher and Sgt with Bolt Pistol

Combined squad, issue FRFSRF.......

That is 48 S3 shots at 24", or 72 shots at 12"
+ 3 Grenade Launcher shots
+ 3 Bolt Pistol shots
+ PCS shots

Mathhammer:

48 S3 flashlight is 2.666651 kills, at 72 you have 1.999988 x 2 (or 3.999976) at 12" so Shoota firing at long range is slightly better whereas at short range Flashlight firing is better.

3 bolt pistol shots is only .49999 kills and 3 grenade launcher shots (not sure the str but) at S3: .3333 kills, at S4: .49999 Kills at S5: .66666 Kills

Compare with the Big Shoota: .6666 kills. So there is a somewhat tossup there, or a slight advntage for IG if the S of the GL is 4 or 5 (either way odds state only one marine killed for either army)

For the PCS, IDK what that entails.

And I know this is a shooty thread, but I would put my money on 30 orks in assault. (In fact, IG Assault is only 1.6666 Kills from the platoon.)

So, strangely, Ork troops are very near in effective killing power to IG but they do excell in assault (And cost about the same)

Well being an old ork player I understand your argument, but if I were playing guard 30 orks would never make it to my lines with 30 orks.

I dropped 19 out of 30 orks in a mob with one turn of shooting with my tyranids last game...only 2 models (Tyrant and Carnifex w/devourers) shot. Imagine what a real gun line could do.

As far as ork boys go do you run shoota's or slugga & choppas?

I'd say Guard, Orks, shooty or CC, never really gave my old Guard army any problems, due to my flamer strike teams, and the heavy bolter fire from tanks, and Heavy squads.

This was with the old codex as well, the new one from what I've read is even better.

Gaurd. "I shoot you in the face with 9 Demolisher Cannons!"

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:Gaurd. "I shoot you in the face with 9 Demolisher Cannons!"

Demolisher, meet Dark Lance.

Tau because of their

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