Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

This is from the end of 40k universe thread.
What aspect of humanity would a new chaos god feed off of?

Fear. There's a lot of that in the 40k universe.

Oppression and despair. The eldar fell into hedonism and lust, the humans are falling into ignorance, totalitarianism and the absence of hope.

Oppression and despair are the province of Nurgle.

I'm betting Hunger.

Nurglitch wrote:Oppression and despair are the province of Nurgle.

I'm betting Hunger.

I'm wondering,wouldn't Hunger also fall into Nurgles domain,plauge,pestilence and such,wouldn't famine also be part of Nurgles touch?

Famine isn't hunger though. It's no more Nurgle's domain than it is Khorne's or Slaanesh's. Hunger for death and bloodshed, and sensation, respectively.

Plus, given the ravening hunger of the Emperor, the encroaching Tyranids, and that of the awakening Necrons, makes me think that the Hunger in the Warp is about to reach that critical point where it is awakened.

That was something that I liked about John Grammaticus' encounter with the Emperor in the Legion novel, this recognition of the lurking horror behind the Emperor's facade of noble intentions.

Nurglitch wrote:Famine isn't hunger though. It's no more Nurgle's domain than it is Khorne's or Slaanesh's. Hunger for death and bloodshed, and sensation, respectively.

Plus, given the ravening hunger of the Emperor, the encroaching Tyranids, and that of the awakening Necrons, makes me think that the Hunger in the Warp is about to reach that critical point where it is awakened.

That was something that I liked about John Grammaticus' encounter with the Emperor in the Legion novel, this recognition of the lurking horror behind the Emperor's facade of noble intentions.

You've make some good points,Hunger as an all consuming god?.yes I could see that.

Worshippers would cannibalize eachother in sacrifice, and overeat in worship?

Sure, I'd believe it to be possible. Problem with that is, all the inquisition would have to do is kill anyone that was overweight. Even if they aren't evidently corrupted, you know how those Inquisitors can be...

Yup, and the ensuing tide of death would only fuel the gathering storm. Of course, the irony would be that the Imperium itself is a hungry beast, hungry for weapons and munitions, for raw materials and bodies for the meat-grinders of the Imperial wars, and especially psyckers for the Emperor's table.

Hope

That's the province of Tzeentch.

Tz's all about change. A radical among the Choas Gods, but change and magic non the less.

Hope and survivalist attitudes is what needs to be manifested again... Currently the God-Emperor is the embodyment of these, but with the failing of the Golden-Throne he will be unable to stay in the living universe. A new god of humanity will need to be born. One feeding on the prayers of salvation that are seeded with hope and the will to live on. This will be the strongest among a fractured race, and may even be combined with the prayers of the Eldar to create a bi-racial god to deliver one from darkness and into a new age of life. This god would be arch enemies with Khorne, Nurgle, and the C'tan stargods. Tz, who loves change will either aid this new god or just keep clear, and same for Slaanesh, who would like to coexist and leach the pleasures of this new age.

Chief Librarian Tigurius of the Ultramarines at the Conclave of Har wrote:As I looked into its dead black eyes, I saw the terrible sentience it had in place of a soul. Behind that was the steel will of its leader. Further still I could feel its primogenitor coldly assessing me from the void. And looking back from the furthest recesses of the alien's mind... I can only describe it as an immortal hunger. It is this we cannot kill.

The hive mind?

Sanchez01:

Nurgle, The Lost and the Damned, p.12 wrote:Nurgle is the eternal enemy of the Chaos Power Tzeentch, the Lord of Change. Nurgle and Tzeentch draw their energy from opposing beliefs. While the energy of Tzeentch comes from hope and changing fortune, that of Nurgle comes from defiance born of despair and hopelessness.

Also, there are no 'gods of humanity', there's just the Dark Powers and their Daemons. The Eldar didn't create Slaanesh, for example, it existed (if such a thing can be attributed to a warp entity) dormant in the warp before it ever was born into the Materium.

Sorrow? Chaos emo god

That's already covered by Nurgle.

Ignorence?

Tz listens to the hopes and plans of people, but he does things to his own agenda. But I guess you could tie it in... Then what human emotion is left?

Greed? put that under Slaanesh... hate? Khorne...

What about a god of life?

Tzeentch has got life covered, as Nurgle has death. Ignorance, I think, is the province of Khorne, seeing as it's the nihilistic aspect of Chaos, as knowledge is the province of Slaanesh.

As an aside, that's how I think the Chaos Gods corrupted the Great Crusade: quite aside from abducting the Primarchs and touching them with Chaos, each one played a part: Tzeentch organized the plot, Slaanesh hid it from the Emperor, the Cabal, the Eldar Farseers, and other interested parties, and both Khorne and Nurgle did the heavy lifting of destroying and corrupting the works of the Great Crusade.

Knowledge is Tz's zone, Slaanesh is lust, pleasure, and pain...

I wouldn't put Life under Tz... just like you cannont put murder only under Khorne as Khaine is the god of these things as well.

A different god of hope, life, and the will to survive, could be formed into another entity as clearly Khorne and Khaine share many of the same aspects

Khaine is just an aspect of Khorne, a Greater Daemon whose presence in the warp was shattered by the birth of Slaanesh.

I would most definitely put life within the realm of Tzeentch, and murder within the realm of Khorne. As they say, where there's hope, there's life, and likewise where there's murder there's violence.

Khaine is also believed to have been assaulted, defeated, and dominated by Slaanesh sometime after Slaanesh's awakening in the 29th millennium (Imperial Calendar). Following this, Khorne, Chaos God of war, battled Slaanesh for Khaine, rightly claiming the Eldar deity as his property. During their struggle, Khaine was driven into the material world, where he shattered into a thousand pieces.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khaine

This makes it sound like Khaine was his own god, but Khorne battled for his ownership. Making it two separate gods for the same things... There are Eldar gods, Chaos gods, ork gods... why can there not be a human god when the emperor crokes?


Automatically Appended Next Post:

EDIT:
Now what do you think about the Emperor becoming a god after his death, the people worship him already... making him the 3rd most worshiped thing (1st and 2nd being Mork and Gork) So with all the energy being directed towards him, combined with the essences of witch he was created turn him into something powerful enough to stand against the Chaos gods?

Because there are no special Eldar gods or Ork gods or Human gods. There's just the Four Facets of Primordial Destroyer, the Dark Power, the Daemon-Gods of Chaos. That's why the Emperor was anti-religion, because the only gods are thirsty monsters from beyond reality, whose encroaching tentacles are seen are manifestations of godhood.

If Khorne considered Khaine to be his property, then clearly Khaine was a Greater Daemon of Khorne, or possibly a Daemon Prince, whose nature was reconfigured when Slaanesh awoke.

Remember also that the tales of the Gods are mere metaphors for their supernatural subsistences (a term of art used by certain ontologists for supernatural states of being to distinguish those states from stuff that actually exists, and a rather nice allusory term to boot). To say that Khorne and Slaanesh fought over Khaine, which resulted in Khaine's essence shattering and falling into the material universe is not to say that there was a person named Khorne and a person named Slaanesh, that an actual battle took place, or that Khaine shattered in any way that a glass jar or other brittle object might. What it does say is that there was a daemonic entity whose nature straddled that of both Khorne and Slaanesh, and whose essence lurks within the wraithbone cores of the Craftworlds.

Think of the warp like a pie, originally divided carefully into three parts so that the icing was equally shared. Now imagine that the cake must be redivided into four parts, and so bits of the icing must be taken off because they are unequally shared amongst the new divisions. This piece of icing is put to one side, but it remains a part of the cake, and the original piece from which it came.

There won't be a human god when the Emperor finally dies because the transition from psycker to an underlay of reality denatures the person. That's why the elevation of a Champion to Daemon Princedom is such a crock, because they shed whatever made them human in return for something entirely inhuman.

I like to imagine that a Champion's rise to be a Daemon Prince is like a ichneumon wasp: first the Dark Powers touch the Champion with the power of Chaos, laying a dark seed in their souls which gradually grows, filling in the parts of the host's soul that it devours, and ignoring the parts that atrophy when its appetite is satisfied by souls that the hosts sets free upon the tides of the Warp. Eventually the host's soul is either devoured by the growing Daemon and the Daemon is birthed into the Warp, or the host dies before the daemon larva can survive its own. But if the host survives until the Daemon can emerge as a full-fledge Daemon, then that Daemon with the shape of its host's soul printed upon it, while the host's body is like a print in the sands of time, soon to have all traces washed away when the tides of the warp roll in.

Strangely even the Chaos Gods embody some aspects of good.

Khorne

Aspect: Hate, rage, violence, bloodshed, murder, martial pride, conflict/war, embodiment of the warrior

Tzeentch

Aspect: Ambition, plotting, change, psychic powers, knowledge, deceit, hope and ambition

Nurgle

Aspect: Mortality, morbidity (a diseased state), disease, physical corruption, embodiment of the fear of death and hope of life, defiance born of despair and hopelessness

Slaanesh

Aspect: Lust, pleasure, pain, excess, perfection, hedonism

Now one aspect is shared by multiple gods; Death. All of the gods share this aspect for the most part.

The one God I think you can make from this all is Malal. The deity of Chaos turning upon itself. The other deities you could possibly come up with are the mirrors of the chaos gods. Such as:

Opposite of Khorne

Aspect: martial honor, protector of the weak, chivalry, righteous victorys in war

Opposite of Tzeentch

Aspect: hope, betterment of the future, truth

Opposite of Nurgle

Aspect: life, healthiness, courage, defiance of evil

Opposite of Slaanesh

Aspect: self control, respect of oneself and others, charity, fairness

You could name them but I think you get the idea.

The difference is that gods are warp entities. The Emperor is a living being, someone from the material realm. If he were to be a warp entity (which he almost is now) then he could be a god, yes; but he isn't. He's a human with godlike power.

Ive allways been tempted to do a lizard variation of khorne

Thirster - carnosaur with wings and armour
herald - oldbloods

crushers - Saurus cav.

letters - saurus with hand weps.

Princes - Kroxigors

The Emperor was a creation of all the shamans and whitch doctors of ancient man, Created in the warp with all their souls... so what says the the Emperor is not one of these Daemon gods already? Taking EzeKK's note on Malal, What if that is what the emperor is? Chaos turning on itself? Spreading an anti-religion to weaken the entities of the warp. and he is afterall fed the souls of the psyker man to stay alive, much like slaanesh feeds on the eldar souls.

EzeKK:

I think death is specifically the province of Nurgle, as it's morbidity. More to the point the Chaos Gods are their own opposites: Tzeentch opposes Nurgle, Khorne opposes Slaaensh, and then you can make various crosses like Khorne opposing Tzeentch, and Nurgle opposing Slaanesh, and they all oppose themselves. They're the Chaos Gods; consistency isn't something they're bound by.

Slaanesh opposes Nurgle, how can you reach perfection or feel pleasure when your dead?

The Emporer is not a god.

How do Gods fight? Demons in the warp? Material realm?