Killing Lucius the Eternal

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**Deathbot**

OK, so from what I understand, if someone kills Lucius and feels even the slightest bit of triumph about it, they turn into him and their soul is imprisoned in his armor. But what would happen if a blank (like Jurgen of the Caiphius Cain series) killed him and felt triumph? They are immune to all things warpy and daemonic, so would he be dead permanently?

**Corpsesarefun**

Blanks have no souls, thats why they are warpfree.
I believe lucius's soul implants itself into the host and grows out from there so the absence of a soul would make it easier.

**Horst**

the answer would be for a heroic space marine to kill lucius in hand to hand, and then before he can transfer his body, he needs to take his own life.

I don't think any decent space marine would hesistate to do this, as long as they knew they had to.

death in duty is its own reward.

**Deathbot**

corpsesarefun wrote:Blanks have no souls, thats why they are warpfree.
I believe lucius's soul implants itself into the host and grows out from there so the absence of a soul would make it easier.

Blanks are immune to the powers of the warp. Psychic and daemonic powers don't work on or near them. Since Lucius' resurrection powers come from Slaneesh, a warp entity, wouldn't that mean that he couldn't take over a blank's body? Therefore, wouldn't he be permanently dead? That is what I am asking.

**Emperors Faithful**

Or he could find another host?

**Irdiumstern**

Necrons might also work, or tyrannids

**Deathbot**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Or he could find another host?

Long answer:

The fluff says that if he is killed, he will only come back if his victorious opponent feels triumph at his death. And then, his opponent will be transformed into him, while their soul will be sealed into his armor for all eternity. Slaneesh gave him this ability after his first death, noticing how much pleasure he was feeling at the time, and being unwilling to lose such a soul. His power to revive is warp-based, and therefore would not affect a blank.

Short answer:

No.

**darkkt**

What about a creature/machine unable to feel triumph? Necrons? baser forms of Tyranids?

**Wraithlordmechanic**

Or what if he stepped on a land mine?

**warpcrafter**

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:Or what if he stepped on a land mine?

That would be an epic fail on a whole new level. Just imagine the uncomfortable silence when he has to explain to Slaanesh what happened.

**radiohazard**

warpcrafter wrote:
Wraithlordmechanic wrote:Or what if he stepped on a land mine?

That would be an epic fail on a whole new level. Just imagine the uncomfortable silence when he has to explain to Slaanesh what happened.

Lucius - Errr Slaanesh???

Slaanesh - Yes my desciple???

Lucius - I've errrr, stepped on a land mine.

All - Uncomfortable silence...

Slaanesh - You know what this means don't you my desciple???

Lucius - Punishment???

Slaanesh - Random Buggeration by Mutant Ork called Bubba.

Lucius - No not Bubba!!!

Slaanesh - Think warm thoughts boy!!!

**Witzkatz**

As nearly as embarassing as a land mine would be an automatized sentry gun. Or breaking his neck while falling down a trench or something like that.

Or simply dying to someone who doesn't realize he even killed him.

Titan princeps comes as a thought. *stomp*
Or if he dies to an artillery shell and no one confirms the kill for the gunner.
Orbital bonbaonbardlement works, too, of course.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
waiiit, what if he's getting eating by a stegadon or a squiggoth or some other animal? Does the animal feel triumph? I think it would rather feel content with a nice meal, but...

...a dinosaurs soul trapped in lucius' armour is hilarious.

"RAWWWRRR!"
"..."
"...rawr?"
"RAAAAAAAAWR!"

**The Unending**

What if a c'tan killed him. what kind of effect would that have on a star god.

**nyyman**

C'Tan would have a soul more in his collections

**lemon detective**

Lucius slips on a blood stain left by an inconsiderate Berzerker...

Berzerker - "hey, Lucius look out for that blo..."
Lucius - "Huurk!"
*Lucius lands on his neck, killing him instantly*
Berzerker - "Eeerrr.... You okay there?.... oh boy... I'm boned...."

THE END!

**DarkHound**

This.. just... I guess is in order...

**Shelegelah**

Hmmm... I'd like to think that a warrior as seasoned as Lucius wouldn't make a mistake as stupid as stepping on a land mine.... But these things happen. I doubt Slaanesh would let his favored pawn slip away that easily. More than likely The Dark Prince would merely implant a cultist with Lucius' soul somewhere, resulting in yet another (less satisfying) rebirth.

**Lord-Loss**

Well anyone who has read, Horus Rising, Fulgrim and Galaxy in Flames would know how skilled Lucius is.

He gets shot up by a load of Astartes and still able to run away after having a duel with someone.

Its not Slaanesh that gave him the power to come back its the Greater Demon which has taken over Fulgrim.

The Demon Sword which the demon was originally trapped him gives him the power after Demon Fulgrim gives it to him.

**Shaman**

Lord-Loss wrote:Well anyone who has read, Horus Rising, Fulgrim and Galaxy in Flames would know how skilled Lucius is.

He gets shot up by a load of Astartes and still able to run away after having a duel with someone.

Its not Slaanesh that gave him the power to come back its the Greater Demon which has taken over Fulgrim.

The Demon Sword which the demon was originally trapped him gives him the power after Demon Fulgrim gives it to him.

Oh is that so thats interesting.

**Shelegelah**

Yes, that is indeed interesting. I didn't know that at all. Was that clarified in Fulgrim? I want to read that book so bad...

**Fafnir**

So, what if a Daemonhunter was to like... nuke his soul with a Null Rod or Nemesis Force Weapon or some other soul toasty weaponry?

**sniperjolly**

Well GK's being without emotion and all woulden't feel triumph, and killing lucius is just all in a days work. Their deeds arn't recorded or anything, maybe that's why. How about a wraith construct?

I dunno about the whole annhilating souls thing though. I mean, the killer would still have a soul, right? Then his (or her) soul would simply be transfered to lucius' armor.

**vodo40k**

What if he was somehow killed by a culexus assassin? Or if he was killed by a vortex weapon?

**Witzkatz**

This seems a bit like the sloppy rules GW writes from time to time. Someone (or Slaanesh itself) had this idea for a cool way for Lucius to come back if his killer is tainted by the feeling of triumph over taking a life...which is all good 'n proper, until one realizes that there are so many grey areas or circumstances where it is absolutely not clear what in the warp happens to Lucius and his killer.

Null-rod, Grey Knights, land mines, booby traps, artillery fire...so many things where it is hard to tell.

**tigonesskay**

What if his killer felt depressed? What then?

**vodo40k**

What if his killer felt depressed? What then?

or better yet what if he was killed by a necron?

**Lord-Loss**

Shaman wrote:
Lord-Loss wrote:Well anyone who has read, Horus Rising, Fulgrim and Galaxy in Flames would know how skilled Lucius is.

He gets shot up by a load of Astartes and still able to run away after having a duel with someone.

Its not Slaanesh that gave him the power to come back its the Greater Demon which has taken over Fulgrim.

The Demon Sword which the demon was originally trapped him gives him the power after Demon Fulgrim gives it to him.

Oh is that so thats interesting.

He got shot up by some loyalist EC in Galaxy in flames. In the last few pages of "Fugrim" after Fulgrim was possessed, he mentions that Lucius was the only one who noticed the difference (Since the greater demon possessed him) He gave him the sword and something about it granting him enternal life.

Fulgrim is a sick, twisted book.

**Belphegor**

Clear Lucius needs to suffer a murder-suicide from a disgruntled office employee.
Inhabit my corpse now! B%@CH!

**Exarch_Nektel**

My farseer has runes that deflect Lucius's soul to the nearest non-eldar soul. Cause that's how they roll.

That's just my own personal fluff.

Okay, what if someone kills lucius and then commits suicide?

**Zid**

What if they nuke a planet with him on it death star style? herm...