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Seriously please. 10 year old models using 10 year old rules. Someone stop this Nids release so everyone at that company can stop what they're doing and release Dark Eldar.
Can we get a poll going? Maybe just make this a raging flaming thread against all that is GW-decision making.

List GW's worst decisions in your gaming lifetime
Post funny pictures edifying or glorifying your point. PLease.

honestly, I think nids and dark eldar are in the exact same boat. Both codex have extremely powerful units, and extremely weak units. dark eldar are still quite competitive in everything except killpoints, which lets face it, any good tournament doesn't use (at least not exclusively)

Nids are only viable in nidzilla form, they have just as many useless units as the dark eldar. sure, their models may be newer (and better), but their rules need a tweak. 5th edition combat resoultion kicked the crap out of their gaunt swarms.

The only thing is, nids are a more popular army than dark eldar, so they have more of a reason to update it first.

Would you rather have them next with gak models/rules or later and be awesome? Because I know what you're going to get.

kanelom wrote:List GW's worst decisions in your gaming lifetime

1. Dark Eldar in 3E starter box
2. Codex: Dark Eldar
3. Codex: Dark Eldar update

Actually, I'm OK to stop at 3, but a 10-point list is more fun, so...

4. Codex: Armageddon (e.g Speed Freekz)
5. Codex: Eye of Terror (e.g. LatD)
6. Codex: Witch Hunters (instead of Sisters of Battle)
6. Index Astartes (all, broad-brush)
7. WD lists (e.g. Kroot Mercenaries)
8. WFB Storm of Chaos
10. Warhammer Armies: Dogs of War (5E WFB)

Basically, I count anything that GW released and has since been desupported.

Bastards.

My models are older than your army. The level of my sympathy is not very high

Games Workshop seems to be putting out a lot of `quick fixes' so they can keep the release schedule rolling and bring in the income, meanwhile they spend more time on the armies that really need a massive face-lift. No matter how you look at it, this is the right thing to do. It is not like they stop everything to work on a single army: there are something like six (for 40K alone) currently in development. If they put out three or four `quickies' (eg spend six months on Blood Angels), generate some quick cash and satisfy a larger part of the fanbase, then after years of more detailed work you will probably find Dark Eldar will be far better. Suck it in and put up with it.

I think everyone knows Im pretty much the poster child for "WE WANT DE NOW" campaign. But honestly, with as many rumors flying about, they HAVE to be making them and working on the dex at the very least. I want the DE to be one of the best armies made when it comes out. Because I KNOW that if done right, the DE will not only generate a boat load of cash for GW (which is what they want) but we as players get a nice shiny new army to bitch about!

I know this comes up all the time but GW becoming an PLC (I think thats what it is, it has shares is what I mean) is both a blessing but more of a curse.

A blessing because it has allowed the frenchise to grow.

A curse is that now the hobby aspect has been replased with cold market forces. I expect there is as much fraustration on behalf of the designers who may come up with a great idea fo a neich unit or army but is econmically unviable so it will never see the light of day. Making money for the company is always a good thing but now there is now too much enfasis on this opposed to the hobby.

So what i'm basically saying is that commercialisation helps growth, but causes creativity to stagnate.

GO DARK ELDARZ!

KingCracker wrote:I think everyone knows Im pretty much the poster child for "WE WANT DE NOW" campaign. But honestly, with as many rumors flying about, they HAVE to be making them and working on the dex at the very least. I want the DE to be one of the best armies made when it comes out. Because I KNOW that if done right, the DE will not only generate a boat load of cash for GW (which is what they want) but we as players get a nice shiny new army to bitch about!

Really, I didn't

I voted No.4 for 2 reasons
Tau are the kings of broken
KAOS IS AWESOME!!!!!

List bad GW decisions eh?
Umm..
1. Dark Eldar
2. Knowing that moving to 5E would break Tau
3. Did I mention Dark Eldar?

I voted yes, because I think DE desperatley deserve a new codex and some new shiny models, even though I dont play and dont plan on playing them. But lets face it, Tyranids are coming first. It doesnt matter how much we bitch at GW for stiffing DE players and dragging it out even longer. We could all march up to their main office and make a big deal out of it, but they're just gonna lock the doors and keep counting their money. There's more tyranid players than DE players, (I think, I've only seen one DE army on the table comparred to many tyranid armies), and that means tyranids make more money. Believe me i know your pain, I've been playing DH since i started and i can't wait till they get a new codex and possibly quit sucking so much. Patience my friend, at least DE are probably in the works.

DE are quite a good army.
+they are still competitive
+there is more than one 'competitive build' in the current codex
+There are multiple fluff based builds in the current codex

-some inconsistencies with current ed. rules
-they really need new models.

Sure they have the units which are effectively useless in 5th edition; but which army doesn't. This doesn't mean you don't see them.


Now if only they could release new models without the obligatory attached codex.

Mal are you crazy?
That is like GW actually following KISS

I think the problem is not enough people play dark eldar. I know of one other person who plays them. And as for those people who think they are uncompetative, you might want to check out the incubi squad of doom as my HQ is known in my gaming club.

I've been hearing talk of an update to the Dark Eldar race, maybe we are all in for a surprise.

mal wrote:DE are quite a good army.
+they are still competitive
+there is more than one 'competitive build' in the current codex
+There are multiple fluff based builds in the current codex

-some inconsistencies with current ed. rules
-they really need new models.

Sure they have the units which are effectively useless in 5th edition; but which army doesn't. This doesn't mean you don't see them.


Now if only they could release new models without the obligatory attached codex.

Much of what mal says is true,DE are still competitive with multiple builds,in many ways the DE codex is better than some of the current codices (coughchaoscough).
Now,I strongly agree DE needs updating,new minis and some minimal tweaking for 5th ed,but DE players,IMO, should be happy that GW hasn't gotten around to butchering their codex yet.
Oh,and I have to add (for ragging sake),for "sqauting" LaTD the briliant folk at GW should be coverd in gravy and thrown to the wolves.

UPDATE THE DAMN SPACE ELVES ALREADY GW!

Da Boss wrote:UPDATE THE DAMN SPACE ELVES ALREADY GW!

Yes! We need Codex: Craftworld Eldar or Codex: Biel-Tan!

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Da Boss wrote:UPDATE THE DAMN SPACE ELVES ALREADY GW!

Yes! We need Codex: Craftworld Eldar or Codex: Biel-Tan!

He just set that up perfectly for you didn't he John.

Hey, when someone tees the ball up high & soft, I've got to take a whack at it!

Not a fan of the poll options but from a business standpoint 'Nids probably sell a lot more than the flop aka Dark Eldar. Nids also have a lot more history and generally considered to be a cooler army than the DE.

Rather have new Nids especially after this Space Hulk release not to mention that Blood Angels are set to be the next SM army after SW.

Cane wrote:Not a fan of the poll options but from a business standpoint 'Nids probably sell a lot more than the flop aka Dark Eldar. Nids also have a lot more history and generally considered to be a cooler army than the DE.

Rather have new Nids especially after this Space Hulk release not to mention that Blood Angels are set to be the next SM army after SW.

Do you have a source on that? I was hoping GW would make BT the next SM army, and i was kinda hopin they would take a break on updating marines for like a year, maybe do some xenos races DE, necrons, tau, etc. Well i can hope, whether it helps or not.

I think its a vicious cycle... people aren't buying DE because of their fluff/need of an update. Then GW isn't updating DE because not enough people are buying them. I think if GW upped the support for tertiary armies (such as DE and 'nids) then they'd have a more diverse run of products, which might sell better than the parade of Spehss Mahreens. Ooooor I could be completely wrong and the Marines are the only thing keeping GW afloat so the constant updates are super-necessary.

Either way I agree with OP, ten years? COME ON!! Besides, once the new DE get released I might be able to get my GF to take them up instead of Necrons.

Norwulf wrote:

Cane wrote: Nids also have a lot more history and generally considered to be a cooler army than the DE.

Do you have a source on that?

Nids have been as such since RT.

DE? Only as Eldar Pirates, which first became CWE.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Norwulf wrote:

Cane wrote: Nids also have a lot more history and generally considered to be a cooler army than the DE.

Do you have a source on that?

Nids have been as such since RT.

DE? Only as Eldar Pirates, which first became CWE.

I meant, the part about BA being the next SMs on the way.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Norwulf wrote:

Cane wrote: Nids also have a lot more history and generally considered to be a cooler army than the DE.

Do you have a source on that?

Nids have been as such since RT.

DE? Only as Eldar Pirates, which first became CWE.

Hrm...my book is at home, so I'm not positive from memory, but I don't remember Tyranids being in the Rogue Trader book. I know Zoats were in it, and they later became part of the Tyranids army, but I think that actual Tyranids came later. I have the 40K Compendium that compiled WD releases for Terminators, Robots, Dreadnaughts (including Eldar Dreads), IG and Squats, among other things, but I don't remember 'Nids in that, either. I believe the RT book was 1988 release, and the Compendium was around 1989-90 (I stopped buying/plaing 40K in 1990 and started back up in 2001).

Anyway, my biggest complaint was the, well, "squatting" of Squats. There was no business reason for this being done. If I remember correctly, the statement was that there was nobody working at GW that wanted to maintain the army, so nobody bothered to.

Oh, BA before BT? That's obvious. BA are only a WD / PDF, whereas BT are a full Codex. BA will be the next SM army done, whenever GW gets around to them.

I figured as much, I just hadn't heard anything yet about BA coming soon. I hope they do at least 1 xenos first, (other than nids, I know they're comin).

I used to play DE, I sold them when I realized I was never going to finish painting them. They were, and still are, a fun army to play.

We can discuss if they're necessary (do we need a fragile assault heavy skimmer force?) or how popular they are, but that's not how GW decides on what projects to work on. By all accounts, there are two factors for that: what will make the most money/move the hobby forward the most, and how excited the studio staff is about the various projects. If nobody is fired up about working on an army, it doesn't get redone.

The day that squat DE is the day I picket Warhammer World. I'll be like the guy in Parliament Square.

The day they squat DE is the day I picket Warhammer World. I'll be like the guy in Parliament Square.