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Normally I am a staunchly traitor marine 40K player, but... the new space wolves look SO DAMN PRETTY (in a furry way). So, the solution - traitor space wolves seemed an obvious choice. SW turning isn't all that common, but the precedents have been set by Skyrar's Dark Wolves and the traitors on the Wolf of Fenris.

Which got me thinking: why could the Traitor Wolves not follow one of the Gods like any other traitor marine? Khorne would be an obvious choice: frothing madmen charging at the foe with abandon. But then, that's not what the wolves are about: the Long Fangs are fans of heavy weapons, and above all, they are obsessed with Sagas. The more I thought about it, the more it made sense: the God of fate for the storytellers, encrusted with glowing runes and surrounded by the crackling power of the storm.

Some unit equivalents:
CSMs - blood claws
Lord - lord
Chosen - wolf guard
1K sons - Grey hunters (led by runepriests with rune bolters protected by runic talismans)
Havocs - Long fangs
Sorcerers - runepriests

Playing with ideas, I thought I could paint them bright blue with the yellow/red/black shoulders of the SW.

The main hero could be thousands of years old, unable to achieve a hero's death and join the Allfather, as no mortal weapon could slay him due to quirks of fate. At first this earned him fame within his legion, but as all of his companions died out, and only he remained as a lone wolf unable to die, fame soon turned to hatred and revulsion. Shunned by his companions, Tzeentch whispered to him in his dreams, revealing himself to be the one who had kept him alive through the aeons. So the hero led his followers away from the fang, into the service of the God of Change, forever caught up in a never ending saga, seeking a hero's death which would never come...

Any thoughts / righteous howls of rage?

Rather than having them follow Chaos(which is slightly wrong, as the Space Wolf gene is highly resistant to Chaos), why not use the 13th company models instead? It would explain their amplified psychic powers and the like, and you can still use codex:chaos

Space Wolves are extra chaos resistant aswell now?
Bleh.

Wait your doing Chaos space wolves without the new SW codex?


*Gets up and starts to clap, suddenly all around the world, the whole of DakkaDakka starts to aplaude you*

Lord-Loss wrote:Wait your doing Chaos space wolves without the new SW codex?


*Gets up and starts to clap, suddenly all around the world, the whole of DakkaDakka starts to aplaude you*

I had a similar idea, but mine would be Khornate. Corroded armor splattered with dried blood, rotted wolf pelts, the whole insanity of chaos theme.

Lord-Loss wrote:Wait your doing Chaos space wolves without the new SW codex?


*Gets up and starts to clap, suddenly all around the world, the whole of DakkaDakka starts to aplaude you*

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not, what with the whole 'it being just text' thing.

I seriously don't see the problem with the new CSM codex (ducks salvo of rotten eggs), I can do tzeentch without squads of horrifically over-priced sorcerers. Do I really need to buy the latest in a long line of loyalist SM re-releases to buy some new models?

Da Boss wrote:Space Wolves are extra chaos resistant aswell now?
Bleh.

Space Wolves are the new Ultramarines.

Anywho, the events aboard the Wolf of Fenris seem at odds to the idea that SW are super chaos resistant.

To ceystal-maze, sounds good.

RustyKnight wrote:Anywho, the events aboard the Wolf of Fenris seem at odds to the idea that SW are super chaos resistant.

The Wolf of Fenris is lies and Chaos Propaganda!

Gwar! wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:Anywho, the events aboard the Wolf of Fenris seem at odds to the idea that SW are super chaos resistant.

The Wolf of Fenris is lies and Chaos Propaganda!

Whatever you say Gwar, whatever you say...

Da Boss wrote:Space Wolves are extra chaos resistant aswell now?
Bleh.

It's true. It's in the fluff.

Lord-Loss wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:Anywho, the events aboard the Wolf of Fenris seem at odds to the idea that SW are super chaos resistant.

The Wolf of Fenris is lies and Chaos Propaganda!

Whatever you say Gwar, whatever you say...

But it is. I mean, seriously. You have multiple sources stating the Canis Helix = pretty much immune to warp shenanigans. You have the 13th company, who have gone 10,000 years with minimal affect, yet 1 Chaos Bias story suddenly means Space Wolves are all weak minded fools.

Put it this way, if a story came out from the perspective of an Eldar and said "Space Marines got scared and ran away", would all the fluff about space marines Knowing No Fear For They Are Fear Incarnate suddenly stop applying?

Gwar! wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:Anywho, the events aboard the Wolf of Fenris seem at odds to the idea that SW are super chaos resistant.

The Wolf of Fenris is lies and Chaos Propaganda!

I will admit that the situation is pretty stupid. The Wolves just randomly go rogue? Lolwut? Course, SW seem to attract odd occurences. In the SW omnibus, Ragnar looks at a mural with a Space Wolf fighting Tyranids during the Great Crusade.

RustyKnight wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:Anywho, the events aboard the Wolf of Fenris seem at odds to the idea that SW are super chaos resistant.

The Wolf of Fenris is lies and Chaos Propaganda!

I will admit that the situation is pretty stupid. The Wolves just randomly go rogue? Lolwut? Course, SW seem to attract odd occurences. In the SW omnibus, Ragnar looks at a mural with a Space Wolf fighting Tyranids during the Great Crusade.

1) That's Black Library.
2) It's Black Library. Ignore it.
3) They think Tyranids have Endoskeletons. Ignore it.
4) It was most likely Chaos Shenanigans, thus more proof Canis Helix = Win and Cake (no lie).
5) IT'S BLACK LIBRARY!
6) They need to hire someone who knows the fluff to write those books -Points to "PM" button-

We're supposed to believe that the Wolfen are some sort of sign that the Space Wolf geneseed is pure from corruption and taint? Right...

I swear that back when the previous Space Wolf codex came out, some of my friends talked about making a Space Rats or Space Wererats army to pay indelicate homage to the Space Wolves. I whole heartedly support the construction of full blown werewolves in powered armor (or formerly in powered armor).

solkan wrote:We're supposed to believe that the Wolfen are some sort of sign that the Space Wolf geneseed is pure from corruption and taint? Right...

No, it's a sign that it's so FUBAR already, Chaos can't do to it.

Gwar! wrote:

solkan wrote:We're supposed to believe that the Wolfen are some sort of sign that the Space Wolf geneseed is pure from corruption and taint? Right...

No, it's a sign that it's so FUBAR already, Chaos can't do to it.

It's true, they already have a beast inside them growling, snarling and telling them to rip open everything around them. A couple more voices won't make a difference.

Traitor Wolves. Sorry, it doesnt happen...
However, Kitbashing, that DOES happen.

Bascilica wrote:Traitor Wolves. Sorry, it doesnt happen...

Eh, it depends on what you mean by traitor.

Chaos Wolves don't happen. Wolves who go rogue and go off to do their own thing, eh, happens a few times a millennia.

just because you are resistant doesn't mean you are immune. go for it. space wolves for chaos for the win

skkipper wrote:just because you are resistant doesn't mean you are immune. go for it. space wolves for chaos for the win

So you call 10,000 years in the Eye of Terror and remaining loyal "resistant" then?

Well, the Wolves are immune to mutation. That doesn't mean they can't go rogue like any other marines. Not every marine has mutated before turning. Look at the origional Legions...how many were mutated before they turned to Chaos? They can still be lured by promises of power and glory.

Sounds cool to me..

no SMs are immune to chaos its a constant struggle (like giving up smokes) and arrogant space wolves are no exception..

Gwar! wrote:But it is. I mean, seriously. You have multiple sources stating the Canis Helix = pretty much immune to warp shenanigans. You have the 13th company, who have gone 10,000 years with minimal affect, yet 1 Chaos Bias story suddenly means Space Wolves are all weak minded fools.

Put it this way, if a story came out from the perspective of an Eldar and said "Space Marines got scared and ran away", would all the fluff about space marines Knowing No Fear For They Are Fear Incarnate suddenly stop applying?

By your own logic the canis helix thing is bias, cause suddenly space wolves are immune to gods influence for being mutated dogs? Riiight.

Even if they are resistant to mutation it doesn't stop them being traitorous self-driven gits

And what of the runepriests - are they immune to to perils of the warp or as susceptible to chaos as the rest (serious question)

The chaos gods were also responsible for scattering the primarchs in the first place - thats how russ got to fenris.
Wolves are not immune to the machinations of Chaos

So youre saying that wolves are immune to corruption and mutation,whilethe primarchs werent?

Tzeentch would love to make playthings of the hated foes of the thousand sons. It would amuse them greatly.

The Canis Helix is a mutation of the standard geneseed, however it grants them incredible resistance to the effects of Chaos.

Not only that, as anyone who's read the Space Wolf Saga will know, and aspirant has to go through the Gates of Morkai before they become a Blood Claw, and have the nature of chaos revealed to them. The Gates of Morkai are a psychic testing of an applicant to attempt to persuade them to give themselves over to Chaos. Hence, anyone who had that weakness in the personality is weeded out before they enter the chapter itself.

I believe you could use Codex Chaos to represent the 13th company effectively, but if someone plonked down a chaos space wolf army on the table in front of me, I'd assume they didn't know the fluff.

As to the chaos gods scattering the primarchs, that's still unproven. It could have been the Emperor, the Eldar, or the Deceiver as far as we know.

EDIT: As to mutations, the longer a wolf lives, the more resistant he becomes to mutation. This is revealed through the Thousand Sons attempt to force all the Space Wolves to mutate to Wulfen. It is stated that the Blood Claws would succumb first due to not being used to resisting it, followed by the Grey Hunters, Long Fangs, etc.

If SW were to fall to chaos, the last god who would probably be able to seduce them is tzeentch. The SWs have a notorious distaste for sorcery.

augustus5 wrote:If SW were to fall to chaos, the last god who would probably be able to seduce them is tzeentch. The SWs have a notorious distaste for sorcery.

Yet the new Dex lets you take 4 Rune Priests...

RustyKnight wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:Anywho, the events aboard the Wolf of Fenris seem at odds to the idea that SW are super chaos resistant.

The Wolf of Fenris is lies and Chaos Propaganda!

I will admit that the situation is pretty stupid. The Wolves just randomly go rogue? Lolwut? Course, SW seem to attract odd occurences. In the SW omnibus, Ragnar looks at a mural with a Space Wolf fighting Tyranids during the Great Crusade.

Actually, believe it or not the Tyranids have been in this galaxy for far longer than most know, the ambul and catachan devil, for instance, are actually tyranid shock troopers that were sent FAR in advance of any of the hive fleets, and obviously, if the devils have any psychic beacon connection like genestealers do, then catachan itself would present a pretty tasty morcel for the great devourer... In other words, its fairly possible that they might have encountered some early on...

RustyKnight wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:Anywho, the events aboard the Wolf of Fenris seem at odds to the idea that SW are super chaos resistant.

The Wolf of Fenris is lies and Chaos Propaganda!

I will admit that the situation is pretty stupid. The Wolves just randomly go rogue? Lolwut? Course, SW seem to attract odd occurences. In the SW omnibus, Ragnar looks at a mural with a Space Wolf fighting Tyranids during the Great Crusade.

Its because Space Wolves are useless cowards with Ld8. They were cornered (by huron blackheart of all people) and betrayed their brothers because they have no honour.

I would say dont do it because theyre not worth Chaos' time.

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Though the colours could be awesome and you dont need tzeentch to pull it off.

From a fluff standpoint its not supposed to be able to happen, Space Wolves are highly resistant to the taint of Chaos because they (generally) do not have the same desires as what the chaos gods promise.

Also, the Canis Helix prevents mutation (other than Wulfen, of course)

however, just because something is rare/odd/unlikely does not mean it is impossible. I highly encourage you to make this army, and write up some interesting story as to how they were turned.

The main hero could be thousands of years old, unable to achieve a hero's death and join the Allfather, as no mortal weapon could slay him due to quirks of fate. At first this earned him fame within his legion, but as all of his companions died out, and only he remained as a lone wolf unable to die, fame soon turned to hatred and revulsion. Shunned by his companions, Tzeentch whispered to him in his dreams, revealing himself to be the one who had kept him alive through the aeons. So the hero led his followers away from the fang, into the service of the God of Change, forever caught up in a never ending saga, seeking a hero's death which would never come...

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