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The eye of terror.

I have an idea where I might want to run a Night Lords army, but using the marines codex with this general organization:

Cap'n on bike
Shrike at higher points

Bikes as troops

Assault marines as fast attack.

Then mixing in different veterans and such, probably with preds as HS for versatility.

In the last codex in which they existed as more than just a paint job with lightning streaks they were definitely part of the traitor legions, but they weren't very "chaotic" aside from an affinity with the harpy-like daemons. The current chaos codex doesn't represent Night Lord's fluff well.

They were more defined by using lots of "fast attack" and "terror tactics" than they were by allegiance to the Chaos gods.

They are traitors, but they don't seem particularly chaotic.

If you simply made up your own back story you could easily run a "fallen" chapter using the main SM rules. Look at the Soul Drinkers as an example: not "loyalists" per se, but not followers of Chaos either.

So, what do all of you think?

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Add a Bare marine captain on a bike and Shrike, 10x Assault termies with TH/SS with Shrike. Fill the rest up with speeders, bikes and assault marines.

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willydstyle wrote:They are traitors, but they don't seem particularly chaotic.

Well considering they are all murderers and criminals, I'd say they are pretty Chaotic. However, fluff issues aside, personally I think a solid Night Lords army can be achieved with the CSM codex. Now having said that, I also think it's perfectly fine/acceptable/whatever to use the normal SM codex in the way you have described.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Night_Lords for reference.

Also, perhaps the Blood Angels codex might be better since they can take Assault Squads as troops?

EDIT: Bonus points if you can score some of those winged backpacks (the ones the old Raptors had... I would be very jealous ).

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The eye of terror.

anticitizen013 wrote:
willydstyle wrote:They are traitors, but they don't seem particularly chaotic.

Well considering they are all murderers and criminals, I'd say they are pretty Chaotic. However, fluff issues aside, personally I think a solid Night Lords army can be achieved with the CSM codex. Now having said that, I also think it's perfectly fine/acceptable/whatever to use the normal SM codex in the way you have described.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Night_Lords for reference.

Also, perhaps the Blood Angels codex might be better since they can take Assault Squads as troops?


Of course, the loyalist space marines are often just as blood thirsty, though they tend more toward the cold and callous side. There really are no "good guys" in the 40k universe.

I thought about blood angels, but I don't think the special characters fit the night lords that well (and Shrike just seems perfect, being an infiltrating jumpy marine), and I don't think the Death Company fits well either.

The CSM codex doesn't work well, as raptors and bikes both compete for the same FOC slot, and are way over-costed.

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It's true, there aren't... and that's why 40k is so awesome (and grimdark ).

I never use Special Characters so I didn't even think of them in the BA 'dex, haha. Death Company can be given jump packs which makes for a very nice unit for your leader (which I guess in this case would be a Chaplain).

I think the Chaos Codex is fine because Night Lords are more of a jump pack oriented force instead of bikes. 2 Squads of Raptors + 1 of bikes, and you're good to go. Also Chaos Bikes > SM Bikes (as they have a BP and CCW for an extra attack). Also you could throw in some Chosen for some infiltrating/outflanking, since Night Lords enjoy the use of Rhinos (and the infiltrate/outflank tends to assist with the surprise attack aspect).

But yeah... I'd like to see a pure Night Lords army done up since I think they look awesome. Lightning kicks ass
   
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Chaos bikes are <<<< loyalist bikes. They can't be troops, they can't have multi-meltas, and they're much more expensive.

A "full squad" of loyalist bikes I think comes out to about 260 for 10 wounds, an attack bike, and a sargeant.

10 wounds of Chaos bikes with a champion comes to 355, and doesn't have the attack bike multi-melta.

Melta guns are 10 points per, two per unit for both squads.

The chaos bikes can get swept in CC, but are more capable, though I don't think they're 100 points more capable, and can't use combat tactics to bug out.

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I for some reason didn't realize that was the points difference... holy crap!

I mean they DO have the option of taking some cool stuff (ie Icons... T6 bikes are pretty nice), but you also need to pay even more points for them...

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C: Blood Angels is far better. Personally, I dont think NLs should stray from the CSM book period, despite its flaws.

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The eye of terror.

Night Lords wrote:C: Blood Angels is far better. Personally, I dont think NLs should stray from the CSM book period, despite its flaws.


Despite the fact that they are the most-intact traitor legion, the fact that they have a pure geneseed, even for loyalist standards, and "do not worship any of the chaos gods?"

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Yes, I know, it's part of the reason I like them. However, having upgraded tech, "captains" or other named characters as counts as HQs, worse close combat, etc. goes against how I feel they should be portrayed.

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willydstyle wrote:I have an idea where I might want to run a Night Lords army, but using the marines codex with this general organization:

Cap'n on bike
Shrike at higher points

Bikes as troops

Assault marines as fast attack.

Then mixing in different veterans and such, probably with preds as HS for versatility.

In the last codex in which they existed as more than just a paint job with lightning streaks they were definitely part of the traitor legions, but they weren't very "chaotic" aside from an affinity with the harpy-like daemons. The current chaos codex doesn't represent Night Lord's fluff well.

They were more defined by using lots of "fast attack" and "terror tactics" than they were by allegiance to the Chaos gods.

They are traitors, but they don't seem particularly chaotic.

If you simply made up your own back story you could easily run a "fallen" chapter using the main SM rules. Look at the Soul Drinkers as an example: not "loyalists" per se, but not followers of Chaos either.

So, what do all of you think?

I would also give consideration to the BA codex for a more Zahaal Talonmaster Heresy ere style force, which I think you may be looking at as well. IIRC they have the ability to use flyers as troops (could be wrong I don't play marines but like the concept for NLs).

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I'd try the SW codex and attempt to do a logan grimnar army using wolfguard all with lightning claws.

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Lord of battles wrote:I'd try the SW codex and attempt to do a logan grimnar army using wolfguard all with lightning claws.


I'll only give my blessing to this if you model Thunderbat (or the Night Lord equivalent) cavalry.

Otherwise, using marines seems like a fine and acceptable idea. I'll have to give the Blood Angels a better look, though.

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Thunderbat, that's awesome! I would LOVE to see some Night Lords riding bats. How hilarious & awesome would that be?
   
 
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