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2009/11/05 04:53:46
Subject: 2k High elf army advice please
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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I am new to DD and was interested in some advice as to what I should field for a 2k High elf army.
This is what I have so far:
23 spearmen w/ Musician
10 Archers
10 White lions w/ Lion standard (full command)
9 Phoenix guard (full command)
5 Dragon Princes (musician, standard bearer)
2 Bolt throwers
1 Great eagle
Korhil (put into the unit of spearmen)
Caradryan (leading the Phoenix guard)
Noble with a spear, heavy armour, shield, and the Battle Banner (Battle standard bearer) also fielded with the spearmen
Archmage level 4, Book of hoeth
Total comes to 1995
Do I have too much invested into the spearmen?
Is having Korhil with the unit, and the battle banner overkill?
Any other suggestions?
Thank you for your time
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2,500 - Discipline. Duty. Unyielding Will.
2,000 - He alone has the Emperor's soul in his blood.
2,500 - Order. Unity. Obedience.
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2009/11/05 15:53:10
Subject: Re:2k High elf army advice please
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Barpharanges
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Welcome to Dakka! Hope you enjoy your stay.
The Spears aren't too bad, though I think you'd be better off running it as a 7x3 block with full command rather than the 23 + musician .
Your rare choices are fine (in fact, it's the same setup I run).
Phoenix Guard really need more numbers to make best use of. You really want to be able to take advantage of the Fear mechanic, and to do so, you need a larger unit for it. I find 15 to be a decent size for the unit.
Drop the command on the Dragon Princes. They're your only "fast" unit in the list and will likely be facing most of the shooting from your opponents. May as well keep them cheap.
The White Lions, in my opinion, are at an awkward number 'cause they're in between what you'd want for a small unit for pointed attacks and a larger unit for a complement of damage output and SCR. From what you're going for, a unit of 12 or 14 may be a better option.
If a noble is on foot, ALWAYS give him a Great Weapon. With ASF, the major downside of having a great weapon is completely negated and you end up with a very efficient way of getting +2S to your attacks.
I feel like the biggest issue with this list is that you have too many points invested in characters. By quick calculation, you have roughly 820 points invested in characters, which is diverting too many points away from the rest of the army.
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2009/11/05 16:24:49
Subject: Re:2k High elf army advice please
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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Thanks for the advice Jin. I'm just irked that it took me so long to find a good forum about Warhammer. Glad I finally did.
I updated the list
Dropped the 23 to 19 (reason I use 19 is because the Noble, and Korhil join the unit) do most people compensate for this,
or is this just something I am doing because I'm slightly OCD in regards to models lining up?
Also gave the spearmen the full command.
Dropped Caradryan altogether, and upped the Phoenix guard to 15. I see your point about their effectiveness especially at
15 models.
I upped the White lions to 12, intending to run them in a 6x2 block.
The BSB now has a great weapon, also a good choice.
I dropped the command from the Dragon princes. I probably shouldn't use these guys to fight head on battles anyway.
With Caradryan out, I still have the same 3 Lord/hero choices, and freed up points to add in a second great eagle,
and increase the archers from 10 to 14.
What do you think about the revisions?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/11/05 16:25:57
2,500 - Discipline. Duty. Unyielding Will.
2,000 - He alone has the Emperor's soul in his blood.
2,500 - Order. Unity. Obedience.
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2009/11/05 17:18:14
Subject: Re:2k High elf army advice please
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I wouldn't run the battle banner on a guy on foot, he is a lot of pts and is easy to off. I would drop the archers back down to 10 and give your guy with the battle banner a horse. I would also consider putting the battle banner in either the Phx guard or the dragon princes because putting korhil and the battle banner in a unit of spearmen is way too many pts in a spearmen unit.
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2009/11/08 19:55:16
Subject: 2k High elf army advice please
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
Phoenix, Arizona
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The reason people try to not put in say 19, is because then you are letting your opponent know where you will be placing your heroes. Remember they do not deploy until the end of your deployment and they are worth quite a few points and can really shift the center of power in your force. I would argue against raising your archers to 14, mainly because i use them to knock off a guy and 4 more archers just does not help that much. I both agree and disagree with king, i personally like my battle banner in with my phoenix guard or with my dragon prince unit. If they are in my phoenix guard, sometimes i let him run around with a GW and shield (3+ save if i need it) otherwise I put him on a horse and run with DPs. Also i may just have missed it, but if you are taking an archmage with Book of Hoeth then where is the banner of sorcery, if its not there put it in the PG unit. Watch out for the enemy magic phase, your fine against a caddy, but against 2 lvl 2s and a bound your letting a spell through every turn, including the first unless they fail to cast/miscast on 3 dice. Even against 2 lvl 2s a spell has a good chance of getting through 6 pd vs 4 dd.
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2009/11/09 00:24:21
Subject: Re:2k High elf army advice please
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Fresh-Faced New User
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The list you wrote out is not one that you would include an archmage in. Change you archmage to a lvl 1 or 2 scroll caddy, and take advantage of your magic defense banners. In my 2250 and 3k beater list I use a lvl 1 scroll caddy, banner of the world dragon and the banner of arcane protection. Most games they waste there magic trying to cast on my DP, which become immune to magic with the banner of the world dragon, then they usually try to hit the phoenix guard, they have the banner of arcane protection. if you deploy carefully it could be round 4 before you even have to use a scroll from your caddy.
Trying to use an archmage with all those beaters in your hero slots will only cause you to get out cast and dispelled by your opponent. So try to choose one way or the other and it will be much more competitive. Now haveing said all that if your just looking for fun games with lots of fluff then don't worry about it and play what makes you happy.
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2009/11/09 00:50:44
Subject: 2k High elf army advice please
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
Phoenix, Arizona
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Hmm i actually disagree with TheJuan, those two banners are nice, but I would try to hit the Lions, Spears, and Eagles before i go after PG and maybe after DP (depends on what i role after all) So in that case the banners have much less use. Also to use the BoWD you need to drop the Battle Banner, which i like better personally. I admit even i called out his lack of magic defense, and he needs BoS on the PG to make his magic offense come to life, and is dangerously underpowered on magic defense.
Out of curiosity how do you manage to trick your opponent to spend more than one turn using magic against your 2 units without scrolling. 6 Pd should figure it out in the first turn, or you need to dispel something (3pd on DPs, doesnt work, 3 on PG, nope but you used a dispel dice). Also the biggest drawback of those two banners, you cant stop buffing and movement spells, and DPs cant be buffed or lurkered.
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2009/11/09 03:12:55
Subject: Re:2k High elf army advice please
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I hold everything back out of range. I use lion banner on spearmen, banner of balance on DPs with BSB world dragon banner in unit, Arcane protection on pg unit. I deploy archers at 12" out. Deploy spearmen right behind one unit of archers and PG right behind the other unit. When they finally charge my archers they flee so that the enemy ends up in the spears or pg unit. keep DPs in a position to charge anything that come close to my bolt throwers on one side and use eagles to protect the other side or help dragons hunt warmachines. I dont always use this tactic in 2250 games but in 3k games where I have 2 stardragons and princes running around shooting and flaming everyone it works great and is really fun to play. I also use 3 rbt and 2 or 3 eagles in 3k games its a brutal list. If they want to cast magic on the archers fine if I think its to much I can disspell on 3 dice or use a scroll but it really hasn't been an issue. BUT while I do really enjoy this list I much prefer my Dragon mage list.
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