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Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




so i do not own the skaven army book. i will be buying it next week and wanted help from people that do own it or know the points on the units.

i personally like plague with plague monks and plague cencer bearers plague preist and all including the furnace and bell

im stl questioning wheather to have 1 doom wheel and 1 abomination or 2 of the same.

so can some people please state some of the basic points and things to consider.

thanks to anyone that helps.

im trying to make a 2250pt list.

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Made in nl
Longtime Dakkanaut




All I know is, if you want to be competitive, you are going to want 2 Hell Pit Abominations.
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




they havnt released a hell pit abomination and i dont know how many points.
   
Made in nl
Longtime Dakkanaut




Then you should buy the Armybook. We aren't allowed to tell you how much points it costs since it is copyrighted by Games Workshop.
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




you are allowed to because its been released its like reading a book and not being able to tell anyone what the stroies about.

you just cant post every last detail like the entire book.

and if you read im getting it next weekend i just wanted some help.
   
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Newbie Black Templar Neophyte





Sorry, read GWs policy. Then read it again. If we were to say profiles and points all the time dakka may get sued

My death will be avenged millions of rapid fire las bolts, followed by a plethora of heavy weapons artillery and other colorful assortments of death that will send chaos crying back to the warp where they will remain until they come up with another one of their "original" plans

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Made in gb
Emboldened Warlock







shinyhelmetman wrote:so i do not own the skaven army book. i will be buying it next week and wanted help from people that do own it or know the points on the units.

i personally like plague with plague monks and plague cencer bearers plague preist and all including the furnace and bell


Then take plague monks, censer bearers. You are going to have trouble taking both a furnace and a bell, so choose between them. I think the furnace is more competetive, but needs to be with monks, which suits you.
shinyhelmetman wrote:

im stl questioning wheather to have 1 doom wheel and 1 abomination or 2 of the same.


Again, a furnace, a bell, a wheel and an abomination will see you with no points left for troops. up your pt limit, or drop something.

Between abom and wheel, pick the one you like the most.

You seem to not like that there is no abom model, so go with wheel. The abom is for converting.

shinyhelmetman wrote:

so can some people please state some of the basic points


Cant quote point costs, sorry. If someone told you a full army list, along with all pt costs, then you have no need to buy the book.

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Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




that seems correct. i guess i mainly want to hear like some base points or somthing but ill be getting the book anyways because skaven is the only warhammer fantasy army i play.i might go with the doom wheel likeing it more and less points, and i was planning on having the special character that makes plague monks into troop is that a lord or a hero or does it just take a character slot?
   
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Snord




NC, USA

Your talking about Lord Skrolk - he's a Lord if I remember correctly.
Between a doomwheel and an abomination - Abomination all the way. That thing is pretty broken in my opinion and folks who take 2 of them - probably aren't going to win any friends in tournaments. Indy GT tournaments I go to in Texas scrub the lists and I'm pretty sure most of them will not allow 2 hellpits. Goes right up there with 2 steam tanks (although a bit cheaper, is MUCH better in my opinion).
Bell vs. Furnace. The furnace is going to do alot more for you in supporting CC - the Bell is fluffy and has some interesting powers, but it's totally random. The furnace has no AS but is pretty tough - your character on it though can't refuse challenges.
I suspect they intentionally didn't make an abomination model just for the conversion guys out there - soooo many options for it, it's ridiculous.
All in all it's a very customizeable army which doesn't fit into exactly one mold to be competitive, in my opinion. I do see though the hellpits as being almost mandatory in competitive armies.
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




which base is the hellpit on i dont under stand the number sizes if anyone can use any alternative examples that would be most help full.

and if the character is a lord i guess that means no bell any ways my question is, what is his stats and is he a wizard,

also, how many points is the hell pit i know im not supposed to ask but i want to see if its worth the points in my opinion
   
Made in us
Omnipotent Lord of Change





Albany, NY

Xenith wrote:
Again, a furnace, a bell, a wheel and an abomination will see you with no points left for troops. up your pt limit, or drop something.

Well, technically it's doable at 2250 (I'm not sure what Shiny's original limit was, but now it's 2250):

(Seer + bell + 100 points in gear) + (plague priest + furnace + level 2 + 50 points in gear) + (Abomination) + (Doomwheel) + (30 clanrats + full command + shields + globe mortar) + (30 plague monks + full command + obligatory storm banner) + (20 slaves + musician) + (20 slaves + musician) = 1849

And that's bare min core, no back up engineer or BSB, none of the hot special choices, etc. So it's a doable toy list, with a lot of new models. Could push the bell with stormvermin if you'd rather (and have $$$ handy), more fun with banners and more attak-y to make use of that unbreakable action.

As to Skrolk, well he's the cost of 2 abominations (!), has fairly limited survivability, but 3 levels of magic, a nasty bound spell, a smelly mace that does bad things if you just hit somebody with it (and they roll a 6) and makes plague monks core. I'm seeing a bunch of "pure pestilence" armies being run without Skrolk but with min slaves as core and alternating furnace monks / PCB for special, with obligatory hellpit for rare. The real up on plaguers as core is you get more PCB, frankly

Also, no one knows how large a base abominations get. I'm going 50x50 as it's less abusive with the attak result where everybody in base takes damage (a chariot base would allow you to move up, present flank and profit from ~2 more models being hit), though perhaps it makes it a smaller target for artillery? The model I'm using looks better on 50x50 ultimately

Annnd a 50x50 = greater demons, juggernauts, old dragons, etc. Basically, it's the big square base.

- Salvage

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Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




hmm well if you can not giving away points but giving a total how much would this list be

grey seer (if points possible screaming bell)

3 furnaces and plague preists

3 units of clan rats
wt standard musician
and the flinger thing,(multi attack closecombat machine)

3 units of plague censor bearers of ten

2 abominations.

and after applying all of the above

clan rat swarms and slaves split evenly. umong points unless not possible
   
Made in us
Omnipotent Lord of Change





Albany, NY

shinyhelmetman wrote:hmm well if you can not giving away points but giving a total how much would this list be

grey seer (if points possible screaming bell)

3 furnaces and plague preists

3 units of clan rats
wt standard musician
and the flinger thing,(multi attack closecombat machine)

3 units of plague censor bearers of ten

2 abominations.

and after applying all of the above

clan rat swarms and slaves split evenly. umong points unless not possible

Waaaaay more than 2250, and your furnaces must be deployed with plague monks, which your list has none of - and those 3 units would bump out the PCB, even if you had points for all that. For example, here's jamming a lot of that into 2250:

Seer - naked, on a bell
Plague Priest - naked, level 2, on a furnace
Plague Priest - naked, level 2, on a furnace

30 Clanrats - full command, shields, doom-flayer
20 Slaves - musician
20 Slaves - musician

30 Plague Monks - full command
30 Plague Monks - full command

Abomination
Abomination
------
2244

So it's 3 unbreakable blocks with big toy towers, 2 slave bombs and 2 freakish monsters ranging around. Also 10 power dice of magic to zap around. Seems pretty cracked out, though those 3 characters are frightfully easy to kill with no wards or anything on them ... Pretty sure you can just aim at the bell / furnace and let it have it with small arms, until you randomize onto Mr. Squishy on top of it and net some uber-points.

If you end up being serious about working on something like this, I suggest dropping an abomination (2 is fairly ridiculous, and as noted will invite ball destruction) to free up the points for a PCB unit and gear for the casters and/or magic banners for the plaguers.

- Salvage

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Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




un fortuantly untili own the army book im not able to think of to great of lists,

can you chek having 4 slave units of 20, with full command have a bell grey seer and his 100 pts of magic

2 units of plague censor bearers of ten,

2 doom wheels.

2 units of plague monks
with plague preists on furnaces
wth max dispel scrolls

clan rats with closecombat warmachine.
untill points filled up.
   
Made in ca
Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch



in Canada

i have a feeling that in tourneys we are going to be seeing a lot of abominations. So you might as well get to converting now, additionally when you finally do get the book read about the storm banner it is a must being only 50 points.
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




true thiers, kind of situation thoguh in developing my wants,

my birthday is next monday and a family member wants to buy me somthing related to skaven as a gift but would like to get it before monday most of the best units havnt been released yet so i also would apreciate some suggestions of what to get,

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Made in ca
Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch



in Canada

ask for the plague furnace/ screaming bell set, both are pretty solid although the bell is random as hell
   
Made in us
Snord




NC, USA

Get a couple boxes of clanrats - can't go wrong there. THe plague furnace doesn't come out till later in the month (basically after your b-day)
   
Made in gb
Emboldened Warlock







shinyhelmetman wrote:so i do not own the skaven army book.


Ask them to fix this for you immediately.

If they were looking at spending more on you, get gift voucers.

Get the book, write a list, buy the list!

Happy birthday, btw!

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Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




thanks and i already have plans of purchasing the army book this weekend, i could ask them to buy it as an early birthday... im not sure but i need more warhammer stuff, i have an issue with having to much money as my older brother is known for steeling money and im close to 100 bucks. only being 14, 15 on monday being in school i can't prevent my brother from steeling it, i should be spending about 35$ of it this weekend with out buying the army book with it is comes to 60$... im think about purchasing a doom wheel but not sure if that would be a good investment seeing of how everyone drools over the abomination.
   
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shinyhelmetman wrote:thanks and i already have plans of purchasing the army book this weekend, i could ask them to buy it as an early birthday... im not sure but i need more warhammer stuff, i have an issue with having to much money as my older brother is known for steeling money and im close to 100 bucks. only being 14, 15 on monday being in school i can't prevent my brother from steeling it, i should be spending about 35$ of it this weekend with out buying the army book with it is comes to 60$... im think about purchasing a doom wheel but not sure if that would be a good investment seeing of how everyone drools over the abomination.


Why is your brother stealing your money, and why haven't you told your parents?

More to the point, why leave your money where he can find it? Leave him an armed mousetrap, and take the money with you in your wallet.

CHAOS! PANIC! DISORDER!
My job here is done. 
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




it gets complicated anyways back to the subject at hand tmrw im getting the skaven codex and will want to buy some stuff extra any suggestions on what i might want to consider buying.
   
 
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