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Here are the Details for the Slaughter in Space in April. It's primarily a 40k 5 Game GT event but they have Fantasy Events for both days.

Venue:

Ontario Convention Center
2000 E. Convention Center Way
Ontario, California 91764
http://www.ontariocc.com/ontario/directions

Registration:

Slaughter in Space 2
40k GT: $65 ~ $60 if your club brings at least 5 people/SCGWL automatic
Fantasy Events: $20 per Team for Team Event, $10 for Warbands Tournament

Paypal add $3: pay@scgwl.com (Please note name and event your paying for in payment notes)

Pay by check to:
Michael Ulibarri
26326 Misty Glen
Lake Forrest, CA 92630

40K Indy GT:

Please send your army list to tiv@cox.net by APRIL 9

2,000pts.

2.5 Hours for each Game

Rules Packet: www.scgwl.com/downloads/SIS10.pdf

I'm going to try to get the painting checklist posted as well.

First two round pairings based on judge assessed comp (these scores have no further effect), rest on battle points.

Battle Points:
20 possible per round, 1-14 from degree of victory and 0-6 from bonus objectives.
Total possible Battle Points 100.

Sportsmanship:
6 points per round, from a very specifically outlined checklist.
Maximum of 30 points here.

Composition:
Same as Sportsmanship.

Painting:
One judge (Carol Tiveron) will use a 40 point checklist to score everyone. This is a slightly modified version of the one Matt Lewedowski created for the GW GTs. I'll try and get a copy of it up, but its the same one we have used for every slaughter.

Votes for Favorite Opponent and Favorite Army will be used for tie breaking purposes on their relavant awards. No extra points will be added from player votes. Our awards will be:

Overall- Best combined score of the possible 200 points.

Best General- Best Battle Points. Composition is first tie breaker, Sports is the second tie breaker.

Best Sportsman- Best Sports Points. Favorite Opponent votes are the first tie breaker. Composition Score is the second tie breaker.

Best Painted- Painting score points. Favorite Army votes are the first tie breaker. Paint Judges choice is the second tie breaker.

Best Army- Composition Score. Favorite Army Votes are the first tie breaker. Painting Score is the second tie breaker.

Richard Marquez Award- Lowest Battle Points coupled with high soft scores. The tournament head judge is the final arbiter with this award.

The two Indy Finals passes will be awarded to the Best Overall and the 1st place Best General.

Also, to get the bonus reroll, you need to pay by March 16th. Army lists are due by April 9th. Anyone turning in an army late will be scored a zero in composition for pairing purposes. This has no effect on your overall, but you will get paired with another random latecommer or someone who brought a hard as nails army for the first two rounds as a result.

Scenarios will be posted for both the 40k main GT and Fantasy side events once Scott and I have a chance to complete the playtesting on them. Should be very soon. I strongly anticipate a standard spred of 1-2 KP related missions and the rest objective based.

Slaughter style KP will be used for the annihilation style scenarios, which means 1 KP per 100 points round up (down if troops or dedicated transports for troops), to a minimum of 1 KP.

Fantasy Events:

Fantasy Rules Packet:
www.scgwl.com/downloads/SCGWLFTT.pdf

www.scgwl.com/downloads/SCGWLWBT.pdf

Saturday:
Team Tournament (1250 pts per player) No 1+ units required. TK may make the same character both Heirophant and general. Each team pays a $20 entry fee and objective based scenarios will be used. Normal score sheets will be used for this and I will have the packet posed for it some time this weekend.

Sunday:
Warbands (750 pts) No characters required; a unit chamption may be declared as your general. No minimum unit sizes, so you could have three man knight units and the like. It will simply be four fast paced kill em all games, with the standard score sheets in use.

Prize support will be given for both events.

Website:
http://scgwl.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=583

Does "Dakka Dakka" count as club, for discounted admission purposes?

Lol, I'll run that by Phazael Thursday but I'd say as long as 5 guys show up wearing your club shirt then it should But I don't speak for them on anything decision wise

I'll be flying in from eastern North Carolina to teach you hippies how to play 40k!

*edit* My wife objects to me calling anyone a hippie. Therefore, I'd like to rephrase..

I'll be flying in from North Carolina to teach you granola-munching, tree-hugging, hybrid-driving, free-thinking beach bums how to play 40k!

When will the missions be published?

NM just re-read you are working on them.

Since your PTing please don't include any broadside bash 4 seize missions silliness

Some DOW missions would be a nice balancing factor

Oh one more question: Are you guys using INAT FAQ?

I don't believe they plan to use the INAT FAQ. I talked to Scott yesterday and he said that he is waiting on a few more notes on the missions but that they should be up shortly. I'll see if I can find an email address for rules issues for you guys if there is anything pertaining to your army in particular (some Nid stuff comes to mind if it's not out before the GT).

*Edit* Phazael did say that there should be at least 1 DoW deployment.

Hulksmash wrote:I don't believe they plan to use the INAT FAQ. I talked to Scott yesterday and he said that he is waiting on a few more notes on the missions but that they should be up shortly. I'll see if I can find an email address for rules issues for you guys if there is anything pertaining to your army in particular (some Nid stuff comes to mind if it's not out before the GT).

I look forward to seeing the missions, the fact that you're helping playtest is promising.

INAT FAQ is not perfect but it's nice to have a consistent rule-set that everyone is aware of prior to showing up at the tourney.

I guess a Q&A is better than nothing but honestly not having a FAQ to point to is gonna cause problems because questions that one player will ask might not be addressed to another player.

It's not a deal breaker of course, just sayin.

To be honest I've never even played at a place that used the INAT FAQ and there hasn't been a single problem yet. I think having a TO that is decisive is a lot of the reason. The guys at GE Pasadena and GMI Games are very decisive about rules issues. And I've found that there are very few major issues that need judging before a GT. Glaring exception is of course things like the Mawloc and a couple of other tyrannid issues.

Oh and to be clear I'm not playtesting. Though once they are released I'm sure I'll get in more than a few games with them but they do have a decent group of guys that are pretty competitive testing them that won't be playing in the GT from what I understand. Wouldn't be fair if I was helping set them up and was gonna play in the GT. They have very clear definitions about that kind of thing

Hulksmash wrote:To be honest I've never even played at a place that used the INAT FAQ and there hasn't been a single problem yet. I think having a TO that is decisive is a lot of the reason. The guys at GE Pasadena and GMI Games are very decisive about rules issues. And I've found that there are very few major issues that need judging before a GT. Glaring exception is of course things like the Mawloc and a couple of other tyrannid issues.

When you play around LA then the 40k rules are all generally played the same.

The problems happen when you have people come in from other parts of the country and they have an unpleasant surprise when they are told that they can't play the way that they are use to playing.

I never had rules problems in LA, but then when I started to travel to events I started to have rules problems at events like Adepticon (and thus the need for a huge FAQ).

Let me restate that I've never had a problem anywhere on the West Coast (San Fran, Sacremento, Seattle, and Oregon). I understand that you can have an issue across the country but until the event is much larger I don't see it being an issue. They want it to grow to that point but I think they aren't expecting more than 100 people

I am definitely going to try and be there. My army should be all painted, but it might still be Alpha Legion. Thanks for starting the thread Hulk.

Played last year at the Slaughter and never had a problem with the rules. Of course I'm a total rules monkey myself.

Hulksmash wrote:Let me restate that I've never had a problem anywhere on the West Coast (San Fran, Sacremento, Seattle, and Oregon). I understand that you can have an issue across the country but until the event is much larger I don't see it being an issue. They want it to grow to that point but I think they aren't expecting more than 100 people

It's not just size, though. From what I can see, the high stakes of the Vegas tickets are driving more long-distance travel for the GTs, and the fact that we’re so early in the season means that they’re extra New and extra Shiny. I think a significant portion of the complaints would not have been nearly as serious or severe if it weren’t for those two tickets.

I think the stakes presently justify being extra-careful about this kind of stuff, and I strongly encourage you to either use INAT or come up with your own published FAQ to cover any and all questions attendees throw at you beforehand.

I'm not actually running the event. I'm not involved in the event in any way, shape, or form. I'm just trying to get the word out about the it and trying to get more people to attend an event that I had an absolute blast at last year. Yes it is run by the league I am a part of but it's being strictly run by people who are not going to be playing in it. I'm just trying to get the info out so that we can have an awesome turnout for an awesome event

Personally I don't like the INAT. I don't believe there are that many issues with the game but that is just my opinion.

As for complaints I haven't seen a single thing about rules calls or rules issues stated as a complaint. All I've seen in relation to complaints for the 3 Indy GT's that have happened so far is 1) Cheating at the top table (Seattle), 2) Strange Match-ups for the final round at the Broadside (40k side), 3) Comp scoring and lack of transparency at the SVDM.

If you army is build around a certain rule going a certain way then you should probably contact the guys running it and have them give you an answer on how it is going to be ruled. But I can't imagine a single instance outside of Mawlocs that would effect the entire way an army plays.

Another comp. tournament. How will the comp. score be calculated I wonder.

Would be fun to get back into the tourny scene again after so long. Ill try to make it myself.

And Im all for the Dakka club thing as well. Need to buy a shirt though.

*edit: Hulksmash says it better.

The initial scores, if they are like last year, are based on 2 judges scores of 1-6 that are averaged. That score is then used to randomly determine the match-ups for the first 2 rounds. It has zero effect on the tournament scoring itself.

As for the comp points that actually apply to the scores I'll see if I can get all the soft score checklists and get them posted up here. They are 6 questions on a very specific checklist for both Sports and Comp.

Zero effect besides match ups is fine by me for comp. Comp should never be part of overall scoring.

You were there last year Asu, did you see any issues with the checklists they used at the end of each game? This way there is a second opinion that isn't mine

Hulksmash wrote:I'm not actually running the event. I'm not involved in the event in any way, shape, or form. I'm just trying to get the word out about the it and trying to get more people to attend an event that I had an absolute blast at last year. Yes it is run by the league I am a part of but it's being strictly run by people who are not going to be playing in it. I'm just trying to get the info out so that we can have an awesome turnout for an awesome event

Thanks, HS, sorry to be confused. You’ve been an effective point person for this event on Dakka, so I did not remember that you’re not involved in an official capacity. It does sound great, and I’d like to attend; maybe next year.

Hulksmash wrote:Personally I don't like the INAT. I don't believe there are that many issues with the game but that is just my opinion.

Here’s the thing- in regular play, with people you know, there aren’t that many. It’s when you get big events, with attendees from different states and regions, that you see them come up a lot. Even at Adepticon I don’t need to refer to the INAT often, but for those few times I do, having a clear and comprehensive FAQ means I basically never have an argument.

Hulksmash wrote:As for complaints I haven't seen a single thing about rules calls or rules issues stated as a complaint. All I've seen in relation to complaints for the 3 Indy GT's that have happened so far is 1) Cheating at the top table (Seattle), 2) Strange Match-ups for the final round at the Broadside (40k side), 3) Comp scoring and lack of transparency at the SVDM.

I think that’s missing the forest for the trees. While each tournament may have had different issues come up, I think the raising of the stakes in these events creates a much higher likelihood of people reacting strongly to any problems or perceived problems, so anyone running a circuit event should be aware of that and exercise an even higher-than-usual level of caution and care.

Here are some things:

1. The player cheating in Seattle already had a big rep for bad behavior in the area. He'd been accused of stealing models, cheating, slow playing, and other things well before the tournament. Hell, he was accused of cheating at the event LAST YEAR because he displayed a different army then what he played in apperance judging because his plague marines were not painted by the event.

2. Broadside has had other issues regarding Comp in the past as well.

3. SVDM already was taking flak for the comp thing before the tournament. I don't think they made any changes to address it. The issue with the second place finisher with the exception of potential dice cheating all seem to be that he was trying to bend the rules his way to gain an advantage, something very subjective.

I LOVED playing at the Slaughter last year and will be back if I can move the closing date of my house.

I CAN"T WAIT FOR THIS EVENT!!!

Yeah, booooooyyy!

So much fun with my buddies from LA, SD and the Central Coast.

This will be a great tournament.

Looking forward to meeting some new Dakka peeps too, from the looks of the responses, which is always cool.

Reecius wrote:

Looking forward to meeting some new Dakka peeps too, from the looks of the responses, which is always cool.

That's right; I'm scourging the grimdark 41st millenium of hippies, 1 GT at a time.

Actually, I'm just jealous of you guys on the West Coast for having so many cool events; the mid-atlantic corridor on the east coast is a barren place to live for 40k events.

Scenarios should be up over the weekend. There will also be a packet you can download that will have all the checklists for painting and end of game sports/comp. If it's not in the packet I'll try to get it posted up here for any of you attending.

Oh and here's to hoping the Blood Angels codex is out the first weekend of April!

This may be a dumb question, but how many points are the armies for this event?

2k - its in the link.

Bah, Coachella is that same weekend.

Is it bad that I am more excited for drinks after?

2k - its in the link.

Man, am I totally blind or something? I don't see a link in the OP...