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Would you be ok with a major event giving each player a brick of dice? Would you be ok if it added to the price of the event by 5-10 dollars?

I wouldnt mind, it would significantly decrease the chances of dice cheating and you get some dice to go home with.

I don't care either way, Hod. 99+% of people never cheat at dice, and I'm not sure that giving us all bricks of dice would stop the ones who do. But there is some value to reducing the window that cheaters can crawl through.

I'd be fine with both. It would insure, for one, that I could read all the dice. I hate clear or hard-to-read dice. And it does reduce the poential of dice cheating.

I like to be able to roll all my dice at once so as long as there was an option for more then a brick, and some different colors, I'd be happy. If not I'd begrudgingly accept it but wouldn't be very pleased.

jwolf_bols wrote:I don't care either way, Hod. 99+% of people never cheat at dice, and I'm not sure that giving us all bricks of dice would stop the ones who do. But there is some value to reducing the window that cheaters can crawl through.

I agree Jwolf, I feel the dice cheating is not as widespread as it is made out to be but it was one of the questions of the adepticon survey.

I would be fine with it too as long as you have some separate colors in there for faster rolling but that is about it.

A mix of colors (probably three colors for each player) would be best, as stated, but I have no objection.

You'd have to have a selection. Some of us have trouble seeing certain colors on the chessex dice.

What Frazzle? Your saying we can't have Dark Green and Dark pips because you might be color blind ? Awww must suck for you


All kidding aside he does bring up a good point but that can be solved pretty easy by going with Red Blue Green Dice and contrast pips on each side.

For official events, everything should be balanced and fair. No stretchy Tapemeasures, no modified whippy sticks, no 'special dice' none of that.

Standardized tourney dice would address one of the 'perceived issues' as well as giving people a souvenir of the event. Add it to the registration fee.

I prefer my larger dice but I wouldn't have a problem using dice given out by an event. As long as they are readable and everyone has the same ones I'm cool with it.

We did ask this question on the Team Tournament survey (results of which should be tallied shortly). Given the toxic nature of 'competitive' 40K, we were curious to see where this would land amongst AdeptiCon attendees. Opinions outside the tournament/event are secondary to the event itself. The question was:

I would be willing to pay an additional $2-$5 for my Weekend Badge if AdeptiCon provided a brick of approved standardized dice to all attendees and required them to be used in all tournaments.

The problem is, this would require 1300+ bricks of dice (or roughly 50,000 dice) and would be a major monetary hurdle. On top of that...people are constantly losing stuff at the convention. The number of packets, counters, tokens that had to be replaced was staggering. So what do we do when 50 or more people lose their dice? Are they DQ'd from further competition? What would stop them from altering their dice in their hotel room? It's not a perfect solution, but I understand that it affords the illusion of a level playing field.

We have considered it a few times...it might happen, but chances are it won't. In the meantime, the Conduct Policy for our event will remain unchanged:

Dice: AdeptiCon does not require the use any specific type of dice, however your dice must ALWAYS be made available to your opponent to use if they so desire. AdeptiCon reserves the right to remove any dice showing excessive wear, obvious tampering or other questionable deformities.

For the 99.99999999% of players out there that don't cheat, this is not going ot be a problem.

For the rest of the yahoos. They are going to cheat anyway. It's a compulsion. They will either "loose" their dice, unless all dice are in a hideous "con special" color, they will have a second set ready. They will modify them at night for day two. Whatever they can do to give them selves that "edge" they will.

Then, there is the issue of scatter dice. Do you supply those?

So... conventions and large scale events i see how this would pose a problem, as mentioned by Matthias. But at a local level, say at your 'Ard Boys, or even game store tourny/campaigns i am all for this. Several people i play with have dice that are hard to read/and or a mix bag of dice they raided from the family game closet. I think simple choice of a few (darker) colors with white pips would be ideal for official events. The biggest problem with dice cheating is usually not 'loading dice' its un-readable dice or 'fast hands' half of which wouldn't get change with provided dice.

I would be fine, as long as you included something like a Scatter Die.. more dice is always fun.

I have no problem with it.

If someone loses their dice between games or over-night (if a 2-day tournament), then they have to share with opponents.

I like my mixed bag of random dice. I think suppling dice is silly. If you worry about getting dice cheated. share dice with your opponent.

The only concern I have is with special marked dice...

I played a guy who had a mix bag of dice which went beyond just color/finish problems. Some had the special symbol on the 1's some on the 6's some even had special pictures on every side. It made it near impossible to verify any result he rolled. It even caused him to play exceptionally slowly because he didn't always remember what was what when he rolled.

As long as Adepticon's policy of allowing me to use their dice when I need that good roll as well, then its all good. I usually let my opponents know ahead of time that I'm not superstitious about my dice and they are free to use them whenever they like. Anything to make the game go smoother and increase the fun.

Later,
WR

Matthias wrote:
Dice: AdeptiCon does not require the use any specific type of dice, however your dice must ALWAYS be made available to your opponent to use if they so desire. AdeptiCon reserves the right to remove any dice showing excessive wear, obvious tampering or other questionable deformities.

This is the real issue. Internet Toughguys will state "I will break your arm if you reach for my dice" and people have an unreasonable expectation of 'you can't touch my dice'. Dice sharing solves most of the possible dice shenanigans issues. But the problem is people are either superstitious or shifty or defensive about dice sharing so the only response is "fine, if I can't share your dice without you being an ass to me, then I need a 3rd party to verify and issue dice to both of us so I can know your dice are not fishy."

As for the cost, I would think getting bulk dice would be easier for larger events. When you are reserving thousands of dollars for venue and other issues, is a few hundred blocks of dice really that big of deal?

And considering how Blood Bowl events frequently have customized 'block' dice and people share dice in that game, I don't see why getting special scatter or artillery dice are unable to be done either.

And for losing them... Come on, people somehow make it through 6 games at a GT without losing thier supplies. I seriously doubt magically 50 people will lose their stuff now that it is issued.

When you boil it down, the issue is with the players who are Dice jerks be it, specialized dice, not sharing dice or rolling inappropriately. Issuing dice is a non confrontative way for players to have the issue handled by a 3rd party so they don't have to call players on thier gak and risk sportsmanships cores.

Dice: AdeptiCon does not require the use any specific type of dice, however your dice must ALWAYS be made available to your opponent to use if they so desire. AdeptiCon reserves the right to remove any dice showing excessive wear, obvious tampering or other questionable deformities.

So, I could use my roman numeral dice if, say, I provided my opponents with a handy chart for interpreting the rolls and did not "fast scoop" my successful rolls?

Eric

I'm all in favour of standardized dice. Stick a logo on them, and they become a souvenir.

You could even avoid the issue of hotel-room modifications by randomly (say, even or odd table number) having people trade their boxes of standard dice at the beginning of each round. You'd never know if you would be swapping or not, so modding your dice high or low would be a big gamble either way.

I'd be fine with it.

More than anything else, it would drastically reduce the drama around potential dice cheating, which in and of itself is a good thing.

I have no problem at all with getting more dice...as long as I got a choice of colors (I'm particular that way).

I think it's a good idea.
I think all dice should be standard, however. No color variations, size variations, etc.

As for them being easy to read, standard black pip - white dice would be easy enough. Alternatively, you could reverse it to black dice - white pip.

Eric

if the dice are all the same color. it slows down a shooting armies game. where I can pick a squad grab 17 white bolt shots 2 red plasma and 1 yellow lascannon.
roll all the dice once. then roll the winners. much quicker then rolling 17 then winners, followed by 2 then winners, followed by 1 and winners.

please oh please never make us use house dice

I love dice... any excuse to buy more dice... this would actually be a fairly large incentive for me to attend said tourney

Sounds like a logistcal nightmare, though!

What about supply each table with dice, rather then each player?

Cyporiean wrote:What about supply each table with dice, rather then each player?

This seems like it would be a better idea. Then if you get custom ones or something you can just let players split up after the final game or something.

nkelsch wrote:

This is the real issue. Internet Toughguys will state "I will break your arm if you reach for my dice" and people have an unreasonable expectation of 'you can't touch my dice'. Dice sharing solves most of the possible dice shenanigans issues. But the problem is people are either superstitious or shifty or defensive about dice sharing so the only response is "fine, if I can't share your dice without you being an ass to me, then I need a 3rd party to verify and issue dice to both of us so I can know your dice are not fishy."

Is that a real issue you've come across? I say that as I'd be fine with it. I'd just want to make sure I get all my dice back.

I'm strongly in favor of supplying dice, would have no problem with $2-5 dollars more, and would enjoy having the souvenir. Frankly, I'm surprised this isn't the norm.