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Hi Dakka,

So there I was, gently perusing dakka, when a couple of comments caught my eye.

"People see Imotekh and will reserve their whole army to avoid the lightning" then Skoffs put together an Axis Alpha strike list.

But, I thinks to myself, there is no point having an alpha strike if the opponent is not on the table. And, if you don't know where they are coming on, how do you deploy your forces? So this led me to TrapCrons.

TrapCrons (2000)


**HQ**
Imotekh (225)
Court A (165)
Despairtek, shroud, vod
Lancetek , Solar Pulse
Chronotek

Zahndrek (185)
Court B (125)
Despairtek, shroud, vod
Lancetek , Solar Pulse

**Elite**
5xDeathmark (95)
5xDeathmark (95)

**Troop**
5xWarrior (65) Despairtek, Zahndrek
5xWarrior (65) Chronotek, Despairtek, Imotekh
5xWarrior (65) Lancetek
5xWarrior (65) Lancetek

**Fast Attack**
Wraiths X 6 , 1 particle caster, 3 coils (245)
Scarabs *8 (120)
Scarabs *7 (105)

**Heavy Support**
2 x Doomsday Ark (350)

The idea of TrapCrons is to lure the opponent into a false sense of security - so much cheese in one list!! Deathmarks and Wraiths wait in reserve. T1, doomsday arks with warrior screens move to firing points. Scarabs move to cover in centre of board somewhere.

In the turn when the bulk of their army arrives there will be some shooting, hoping that the scarabs survive. Doomsday arks will survive because it is still night fight, pulses will ensure even if storm ends. Opponent assumes that their time has come, positions to assault. Then....Boom.

Deathmarks come in, Doomsday arks open up, Zahn and Imotekh take warrior squads into their lines and use shroud to try and get units to fail morale, Imotech uses Staff of destroyer. Scarabs attack.

Wraiths come in on opponents next turn thanks to phased reinforcements to clean up anything left.

So, thats the idea, but the problem is I don't think the above list can do it. I think a swap to Doom Scythes is required, but I'm worried about what happens once they die. The deathmarks I like, but unless they actually kill/pin the entire unit they are shooting at, I'm in all sorts of assault hell.

How should I change this to get the effect I'm looking for? Basically I want to be able to wait until the opponent is mostly on, then kill them in one huge turn of shooting/assault, then clean up anything left the turn after.

i dont really play necrons but i can see if i can help (everything is in option)

imoetek is amazeing i had to learn night fight rules (again) because of him (because i never fight nf)

for cort of depressing crypteks the staff + that 2+ wound special rule that death masks have is hislereous not only do they have to make a leadership check they also will die from 2+ ap 1 bwhahaa but useing it for just leadership check is fine but i would keep deathmasks in the back where they cant get shot at when you see a spot to attack jump in and shoot them and hope that you can surrive

with lanctecks i would just use the solar pulse to make it nightfight FOREVER!!! and i would put 2 warriros make them 8 and put them in a ghost ark so this way you can speed around shoot 2 las cannons and 8+5 guss shots and still zoom around or just keep it next to your other wariors and use it as a support ship so when you loose 1 guess what the ghost ark repaired them and they got back up

why have 1 chroteck when you can have 2 to reroll the reroll

zahndrekh without obyron? what herasy is this?

i would put the 2 5 man into 1 10 man and have all your guys into 1 squad :3 (1 less kill point witch there are alot of)

the wraths make them all have a whip and pistol so you get the +1 attack and shoot and lower them down to i 1 (but keep in mind this will probably be the most expensive)

the scarabs are to many for such a week unit that can do so much i would flank them but only have 1 units because they are a little to expensve

if your going to trap and surround them is the doom ark your lr shooting? scince its night fight you will only have a 36 inch max if your lucky i would have doom scythes reason being same points for closer much deadlyer attack and extra shooting and to get around the field much much faster also scicne you want the eneamy to come to you (they kind of have to) set them so that they ARE 36 inches away and farther if they make it to less then that move flat out so that they either must attack you or turn and shoot at the death behind them (that will be some distence away) and if they focus on the scyths then your whole army is still 100% ok if they focus your army guess what st 10 ap 1 line of death attacking your units and tesla killing infantry you may laugh evil now

so thats what i would do and thanks to this im going to now try and see if i start necrons i would do this :3


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sorry for spell errors

jbsnv wrote:
why have 1 chroteck when you can have 2 to reroll the reroll

You cannot reroll a reroll.

Nice idea for the army, now play it!

Xenith wrote:

jbsnv wrote:
why have 1 chroteck when you can have 2 to reroll the reroll

You cannot reroll a reroll.

damn that was my attempt XD

but give us a battle report of how it goes i would love to see it in action :3 (make a vid if you can)

jbsnv wrote:[many words]

... wow, that was really hard to follow.

Anyway, I think sticking Zahndrekh & Imotekh in the same unit (preferably a big unit of gauss Immortals) is extremely beneficial. A) because Imotekh's Phaeron ability will help there the most (relentless gauss blasters are sweeeet), and B) because Zahndrekh's ResOrb will come in the most handy here... if only there was some way to replace the Despair-tek with Obyron. His Ghost Walk Mantle is invaluable for getting your guys out of there if you get assaulted (and with the Chrono-tek attached, you can always reroll any deep strike mishaps).

Any army list I see with Deathmarks and Harbingers of Despair in it, THAT AREN'T PAIRED UP WITH EACH OTHER, makes me sad at a waste of a perfectly good deathstar killer.

All that said, this army does have great potential... just give it a few tweaks.

sorry if what i said dint make scence >.<

jbsnv wrote:sorry if what i said dint make scence

it's just... try to take a minute to put some care into grammar and punctuation (spelling, too). It really helps people to better understand what you're trying to say via text based communication.
(if English is not your first language, it's understandable. otherwise...)

no it is it's just that no one ever uses those things on the internet so my grammar and spelling has just failed me >.> if you want i can redo that page so it will be at minimum, understandable (thank god spell check)

jbsnv wrote:i
zahndrekh without obyron? what herasy is this?

i would put the 2 5 man into 1 10 man and have all your guys into 1 squad :3 (1 less kill point witch there are alot of)

skoffs wrote:

Anyway, I think sticking Zahndrekh & Imotekh in the same unit (preferably a big unit of gauss Immortals) is extremely beneficial. A) because Imotekh's Phaeron ability will help there the most (relentless gauss blasters are sweeeet), and B) because Zahndrekh's ResOrb will come in the most handy here... if only there was some way to replace the Despair-tek with Obyron. His Ghost Walk Mantle is invaluable for getting your guys out of there if you get assaulted (and with the Chrono-tek attached, you can always reroll any deep strike mishaps).

Yeah, seems like a waste of a Phaeron him them in 5 man units. Why couldn't Zahndrek have the Phaeron (and be scoring!!)?? Or Imotekh a war scythe instead of the destroyer staff?? I'll have a go but I'm worried I'm shooting myself in the foot for objective games.

skoffs wrote:
Any army list I see with Deathmarks and Harbingers of Despair in it, THAT AREN'T PAIRED UP WITH EACH OTHER, makes me sad at a waste of a perfectly good deathstar killer.

Me TOO!! I hated having to do that. . Problem is that if I put despairteks in I can't use phased reinforcements .... or can I? Lets assume I can.

Revised list

**HQ**
Imotekh (225)
Court A (155)
Despairtek, vod
Lancetek , Solar Pulse
Chronotek

Zahndrek (185) Obyron (165)
Court B (125)
Despairtek, shroud, vod
Lancetek , Solar Pulse

**Elite**
5xDeathmark (95)DespairTek
5xDeathmark (95)DespairTek

**Troop**
10xImmortal (170) Zahndrek, Obyron, Chronotek, Imotekh
5xWarrior (65)
5xWarrior (65) Lancetek
5xWarrior (65) Lancetek

**Fast Attack**
Wraiths X 6 , 1 particle caster, 2 coils (235)

**Heavy Support**
2 x Doomsday Ark (350)

Thoughts?

[edit to modify death mark comment]

ghost arks are amazeing why not use those?

jbsnv wrote:ghost arks are amazeing why not use those?

lololololololololololololol..... Ghost arks. You kill me. Try Night Scythes if ya want transports.

jbsnv wrote:ghost arks are amazeing why not use those?

I like them too, but in this list they are too expensive and won't work as well cos they can't deep strike. Night Scythes would be better, but still, can't find the points.

MarkCron wrote:

skoffs wrote:
Any army list I see with Deathmarks and Harbingers of Despair in it, THAT AREN'T PAIRED UP WITH EACH OTHER, makes me sad at a waste of a perfectly good deathstar killer.

Me TOO!! I hated having to do that. . Problem is that if I put despairteks in I can't use phased reinforcements .... or can I? Lets assume I can.

YMDC says I can't use either Ethereal Interception or Phased Reinforcements. Revised list below.

**HQ**
Imotekh (225)
Court A (155)
Lancetek , Solar Pulse
Chronotek

Zahndrek (185) Obyron (165)
Court B (125)
Despairtek, shroud, vod
Lancetek , Solar Pulse

**Elite**
5xDeathmark (95)
5xDeathmark (95)

**Troop**
13xImmortal (221) Zahndrek, Obyron, Chronotek, Imotekh, DespairTek
5xWarrior (65)
5xWarrior (65) Lancetek
5xWarrior (65) Lancetek

**Fast Attack**
Wraiths X 6 , 1 particle caster, 3 coils (245)

**Heavy Support**
2 x Doomsday Ark (350)

Comments on this list? I beginning to think that if I want HUGE damage in a single turn I should replace the Doomsday Arks with Doom Scythes? Risk it all on a single turn - GO HARD OR GO HOME!!

gregor_xenos wrote:

jbsnv wrote:ghost arks are amazeing why not use those?

lololololololololololololol..... Ghost arks. You kill me. Try Doom Scythes if ya want transports.

... well, obviously you don't play Necrons, then.

MarkCron wrote:Comments on this list? I beginning to think that if I want HUGE damage in a single turn I should replace the Doomsday Arks with Doom Scythes?

If you include Doomsday Arks, suddenly you're going to be wanting Stalkers.

Also, I assume this was a typo, but you can't have 13 Immortals in one unit (max is ten).

skoffs wrote:

MarkCron wrote:Comments on this list? I beginning to think that if I want HUGE damage in a single turn I should replace the Doomsday Arks with Doom Scythes?

If you include Doomsday Arks, suddenly you're going to be wanting Stalkers.

Nope - already went down that path and no way I can fit one in...unless I drop all the death marks. NO way I'm doing that yet.

skoffs wrote:Also, I assume this was a typo, but you can't have 13 Immortals in one unit (max is ten).

Damn.. That wasn't a typo - I tried to make a quick adjustment on the run to remove the despairtek from the Deathmark Squad (still can't believe I'm doing that) and whacked all the points into the Immortals. I'll fix it when I have my codex. Another wraith instead maybe ?

MarkCron wrote:

skoffs wrote:Also, I assume this was a typo, but you can't have 13 Immortals in one unit (max is ten).

Damn.. That wasn't a typo - I tried to make a quick adjustment on the run to remove the despairtek from the Deathmark Squad (still can't believe I'm doing that) and whacked all the points into the Immortals. I'll fix it when I have my codex. Another wraith instead maybe ?

... you can only have 6 Wraiths to a unit, so that won't work either.
Though, you could DROP a Wraith (leaving the unit at 5) and 4 Immortals (leaving the unit at 9), and with the points get 6 Scarabs? (that should be enough to harass enemy armor enough to warrant attention)

Good suggestion.

I have to confess I'm beginning to think this won't work. I'm going to play a couple games on the weekend.

Basically, this should be a way to control the game.
1) Use Imotekh to "encourage" them to reserve everything.
2) Set up powerful stuff on the board waiting for them to come in
3) They come in - probably in pieces in T2, more in T3.
4) T2, use the stuff on the board to make life difficult.
5) T3, let them move forward a bit to make space for some DS.
6) T4, bring it all in , preferably in the opponent turn?, and shoot the hell out of them.
7) T5, capture objectives.

Problem is that phased reinforcements only work in the opponents turn, but that is the only way to ensure that everything comes in on the same turn. Otherwise, I have the same problem they do - I want to hit hard but some of the stuff doesn't make it onto the board in time.

WAAAY to random. This is only going to work if we get to shoot in the opponents turn.


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Damn. I need a stalker for the T2 stuff.

skoffs wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:

jbsnv wrote:ghost arks are amazeing why not use those?

lololololololololololololol..... Ghost arks. You kill me. Try Doom Scythes if ya want transports.

... well, obviously you don't play Necrons, then.

I see what ya saw there... meant "Night Scythes" lol
Actually; been playing them quite a while. The only use I have for a Ghost Ark is sitting in the backfield re-birthing a large unit of lawnchair warriors. The Night Scythe gets your unit there much more quickly and the tesla is ded killy. BTW I have 6 Ghost arks assembled and painted, and have played them many times..... I just REALLY like the scythes better.

gregor_xenos wrote:

skoffs wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:

jbsnv wrote:ghost arks are amazeing why not use those?

lololololololololololololol..... Ghost arks. You kill me. Try Doom Scythes if ya want transports.

... well, obviously you don't play Necrons, then.

I see what ya saw there... meant "Night Scythes" lol
Actually; been playing them quite a while. The only use I have for a Ghost Ark is sitting in the backfield re-birthing a large unit of lawnchair warriors. The Night Scythe gets your unit there much more quickly and the tesla is ded killy. BTW I have 6 Ghost arks assembled and painted, and have played them many times..... I just REALLY like the scythes better.

no i ment ghost arks what have you never used them? they are good for holding objectives with 9 warriors and a lord so they rebuild your necrons so they never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever fething die? no? guess not

Ive found this list AMAZING to force people into reserving everything.

These three are necessary for forcing all reserves:
Imotekh
Orikan (for temporal time snares)
And a ctan with WW and a 10 point whatever

Total 620 points.
The actual rest of the list i run with these guys is as follows

5 groups of 5 warriors, each in a night scythe
3 doom scythes.

Total with the HQs is 1970

This leaves 30 points open, so you could actually get anything in the ctans list except for tranny bolt.

I think its hilarious to see your opponent go Haha! What a waste of points, i reserve every thing. You put your ctan on the board and fly all but 1 DS and 1 NS 36 inches up the board. Avoid DT as much as possible, split your DSs up so they both cant be targeted at once.

Turn 2 comes around, if you are going first, scoot the rest of the way up to the table edge to block it off, drop some of your warriors, making sure you give your DS' and NS' flatout covers again (so, drop the warriors off before you move, etc). If you rolled your reserved DS and NS in, move them enough to give them flat out but dont completely run them across the board.

If you are player turn 2b, hopefully you were able to box off some of your opponents table edge, to give your DS' clear strafing room. Expect to lose one or two NS and maybe both DS and the warriors if its a DoW. If your opponent doesnt get lucky rolling his reserves in, he'll get only a few shots from the units hes carrying. Dont feel bad if the NS' and the DS' get smashed, they are expendable!


But, the Orikan+Imotekh+Ctan bit has forced 3/4 people ive used it on to go all out reserves




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Also, you could try a royal court of 5 D.Teks hijacking a ghost ark, Imotekh, Orikan, and the ctan, with 2 doomsday arks. 2 10 man squads of warriors. Thats about 1600 points, with 400ish to play with to do the same thing. 2 ghost arks with 5 teks would be ideal, but Orikan doesnt let you buy it :(

jbsnv wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:

skoffs wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:

jbsnv wrote:ghost arks are amazeing why not use those?

lololololololololololololol..... Ghost arks. You kill me. Try Doom Scythes if ya want transports.

... well, obviously you don't play Necrons, then.

I see what ya saw there... meant "Night Scythes" lol
Actually; been playing them quite a while. The only use I have for a Ghost Ark is sitting in the backfield re-birthing a large unit of lawnchair warriors. The Night Scythe gets your unit there much more quickly and the tesla is ded killy. BTW I have 6 Ghost arks assembled and painted, and have played them many times..... I just REALLY like the scythes better.

no i ment ghost arks what have you never used them? they are good for holding objectives with 9 warriors and a lord so they rebuild your necrons so they never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever fething die? no? guess not

^ reading comprehension FAIL.

gregor_xenos wrote:

jbsnv wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:

skoffs wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:

jbsnv wrote:ghost arks are amazeing why not use those?

lololololololololololololol..... Ghost arks. You kill me. Try Doom Scythes if ya want transports.

... well, obviously you don't play Necrons, then.

I see what ya saw there... meant "Night Scythes" lol
Actually; been playing them quite a while. The only use I have for a Ghost Ark is sitting in the backfield re-birthing a large unit of lawnchair warriors. The Night Scythe gets your unit there much more quickly and the tesla is ded killy. BTW I have 6 Ghost arks assembled and painted, and have played them many times..... I just REALLY like the scythes better.

no i ment ghost arks what have you never used them? they are good for holding objectives with 9 warriors and a lord so they rebuild your necrons so they never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever fething die? no? guess not

^ reading comprehension FAIL.

Judging by his writing, I'd say he's either not a native English speaker or 12 years old.
(therefore, we try not to go too hard on him... just in case).

skoffs wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:

jbsnv wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:

skoffs wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:

jbsnv wrote:ghost arks are amazeing why not use those?

lololololololololololololol..... Ghost arks. You kill me. Try Doom Scythes if ya want transports.

... well, obviously you don't play Necrons, then.

I see what ya saw there... meant "Night Scythes" lol
Actually; been playing them quite a while. The only use I have for a Ghost Ark is sitting in the backfield re-birthing a large unit of lawnchair warriors. The Night Scythe gets your unit there much more quickly and the tesla is ded killy. BTW I have 6 Ghost arks assembled and painted, and have played them many times..... I just REALLY like the scythes better.

no i ment ghost arks what have you never used them? they are good for holding objectives with 9 warriors and a lord so they rebuild your necrons so they never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever fething die? no? guess not

^ reading comprehension FAIL.

Judging by his writing, I'd say he's either not a native English speaker or 12 years old.
(therefore, we try not to go too hard on him... just in case).

Nope 17 just don't really care for fixing grammar and spelling but judging on what you guys say i should care. >.>