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Heya folks,
this is my first list for DE, would like to know what you think, baring in mind it is made for pretty much all i have in my small DE force

HQ
Haemy, agoniser, liquifier WWP

elites
truborn x3 w/blasters, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF
truborn x3 w/blasters, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF

troops
5x kabalite 1 blaster, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF
5x kabalite 1 blaster, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF
7 wyches hydra gauntles, raider w/Dark lance NS & FF and aethersails

heavy
talos w/chain flails and haywire

It seems to me that the WWP wouldn't work well with the rest of the army, considering they are all in vehicles anyway.

If you are not too set on the Talos, change it to a Ravager w/ 3 Dark Lances and FF.

The Haem is fine good choice of weapons, i assume it's going in the Wych squad?

The Warriors w/ Blasters in a Venom is good, although i doubt you need the NS and FF is standard gear on Venoms.

There is also an argument that you could make one group of 4x Trueborn w/ 4x Blasters and use the spare point for more wyches, if you need melee, or more basic warriors, if you want more dakka.

My advice - Take all the NSs off and use them to buy yourself a couple more Wyches and a Hekatrix w/ Agoniser if you can.

(Check out Thor's guide to Dark Eldar http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dark_Eldar_Tactica_Part_1 :It really helped me out when making my army lists)

Cool, thanks
was planning on the Talos either coming in from the WWP or basically being a big target to try and draw fire from the transports, i would preffer a ravage but i dont have one :(

Both NS and FF are too much. Drop the NS since you will get little to no use out of them. The WWP is really unnecessary. I get that it is for the talos but you are paying even more points for something that can be outclassed by a ravager. You have plenty of anti-infantry from the venoms and a ravager pound for pound will give you the best AT we can get.

taopaipai18 wrote:Heya folks,
this is my first list for DE, would like to know what you think, baring in mind it is made for pretty much all i have in my small DE force

HQ
Haemy, agoniser, liquifier WWP

elites
truborn x3 w/blasters, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF
truborn x3 w/blasters, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF

troops
5x kabalite 1 blaster, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF
5x kabalite 1 blaster, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF
7 wyches hydra gauntles, raider w/Dark lance NS & FF and aethersails

heavy
talos w/chain flails and haywire

Except the Talos, it all looks good to me. Now it's just 'decent', which might be good enough for you. Bit iffy about the hydra gauntlets, quite a few Nightshields I don't agree with (though surely keep them on the Blasterborn Venoms), and the Ago on the Haemy is just wishful thinking - he'll never amount to anything in assault. Get your Wyches a Heka with Ago instead, she's kickass. Btw, do your Wyches have haywire grenades? They should.

Like i say, the list is pretty much just made from what i have avaliable, a battle force, talos, another box of kabalites and 4 venoms, oh yeah and a heamy

this is all good advice though, thanks guys
will look into making some improvments

Pretty much on all with what the other said:

taopaipai18 wrote:Haemy, agoniser, liquifier WWP

Drop the WWP and Agonizer.

taopaipai18 wrote:truborn x3 w/blasters, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF
truborn x3 w/blasters, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF

You're not paying for the comes-with-it FF are ya?

taopaipai18 wrote:5x kabalite 1 blaster, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF
5x kabalite 1 blaster, venom x2 cannons, NS & FF
7 wyches hydra gauntles, raider w/Dark lance NS & FF and aethersails

Put the Agonizer here with a Hekatrix. Her added leadership is worth it, as well as her Invuln Dodge on the Agonizer.

8 or so chicks can tarpit stuff, but can't destroy full MEq units too well. Be sure to soften up enemy units first before assaulting with them. Do truly get the wallop on a MEq unit, SM tactical, BA jumpers, etc, two more more wyche crews work well.

taopaipai18 wrote:talos w/chain flails and haywire

Never used one.

Hehehe the ns & ff i just wrote looking at a 3rd party army builder so wrote down what i had in there, drop the ns's and the wwp, beef out the wyches and add a heka and agoniser and haywires and look at geting a ravager thanks guys
and btw nikolai, thaks for the link, that article is awesome reading.

I managed to get me a ravager built in time for 1k tommorow, thought i would run the revision by you guys,

HQ
heamy - liquifier,scissorhand

Elite
truborn x3 w/blasters x3 - venom x2 splinter cannons
truborn x3 w/blasters x3 - venom x2 splinter cannons

Troops
Kabalite x5 Blaster x1 - venom x2 splinter cannons
Kabalite x5 Blaster x1 - venom x2 splinter cannons
Wyches x8 Shardnet, haywires - Hekatrix w/agoniser - phantasm launcher in raider w/FF and aethersails

Heavy
Ravager w/Dark lances - FF and aethersails

Adding your list up by hand, it comes to 976. The list is solid overall, but a couple things come to mind.

The haemy doesn't need the scissorhand, as his main purpose should be to use the flamer, which is far superior simply for the chance of rolling AP 1-3. That gives you another 15 points, dropping you down to 961.

Trueborn are fine

Kabalite are fine

Wyches are fine, but lose the aethersails on the raider. 24" is more than enough for a move to get your girls anywhere on the board for a next turn assault. Using those sails gives you (maybe) an extra 12", but then they still can't assault and don't get any better of a cover save.

Same is true on the Ravager, it can't use the sails and shoot, and you are going to want it shooting, so nix the sails. 10 points back for both sails, bringing you down to 951.

I think you'll find the wyches become very killy when they are in close combat, and have tremendous staying power with a 4+ invuln and FNP. Drop the squad down to 7, saving you 12 points, bringing you down 939.

You now have enough points to add another trueborn to each bot, each with a blaster, for a total army point value of 999.

So, you'd have:

HQ
Haemy - liquifier

Elite
Trueborn x 4, blaster x 4, venom, 2x cannon
Trueborn x 4, blaster x 4, venom, 2x cannon

Troops
Kabalite x5, blaster x 1, venom, 2x cannon
Kabalite x5, blaster x 1, venom, 2x cannon
Wyches x7, shardnet, haywires, hekatrix, agoniser, phantasm, raider, FF

Heavy
Ravager - FF

Total: 999

Great mobility, very decent anti-tank capability for 1000, and tons of anti-infantry/monster.

Strangley lucky for me i ordered a few blasters from ebay but they took ages to even dispatch, so i ordered a few blast pistols to convert more splinter rifles with and they just arrived so i can even run that as WYSIWYG.
thing i did forget to mention in my previous posts, at 1k i will be playing allied with another guy 1k (either Templars or Eldar) vs either 2k of orcs or CSM, it is just fun game with friends however, just wanted to try and get the most from my first outing with these guys (and gals)
sat and build the last few wyches last night, love the dynamic you can get from poses on these guys, great sprues


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i tryed to do the maths on that list 3 times now and i get 987 every time Aipoch


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now i tryed on a 3rd party app and i get 997, im missing something somewhere lol, but thanks

taopaipai18 wrote:
HQ
heamy - liquifier,scissorhand

I would drop the scissorhand. Close combat is not where you want this guy with a 6+ armor. You also loose fleet if you keep him with the wyches.

taopaipai18 wrote:
Elite
truborn x3 w/blasters x3 - venom x2 splinter cannons
truborn x3 w/blasters x3 - venom x2 splinter cannons

I would bulk these up to 4 each with the blaster especially since you have the bits!

taopaipai18 wrote:
Troops
Kabalite x5 Blaster x1 - venom x2 splinter cannons
Kabalite x5 Blaster x1 - venom x2 splinter cannons

These are fine.

taopaipai18 wrote:
Wyches x8 Shardnet, haywires - Hekatrix w/agoniser - phantasm launcher in raider w/FF and aethersails
cA couple of things. I agree Aipoch, you don't need the aethersails. If you want a cheap upgrade go with trophies but keep in mind that odds are you will run and charge so you run the risk of being out of range for them. The PGL is wasted since you already have offensive grenades. Mathmaticaly you do better with razorflails over other wyche weapons unless you don't charge a GEQ. Otherwise flails are better.

taopaipai18 wrote:
Heavy
Ravager w/Dark lances - FF and aethersails

Your ravager should be nowhere near the enemy and with the ability to move 12" and still shoot you should never need to go flat out so the aethersails are wasted here too.

Following the above will leave you with 21 pts left. If you want to add in a sgt upgarde for ld purposes or other vehicle upgrades to experiment then those would be the points you spend on them.

The alternative would be to not run 4 trueborn and rather 3 per squad leaving you with 75 points. Which would let you take 3 truebron with a Dark Lance and then 11 points to throw around.