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Hi dakka

I would like your thoughts on this list:


1 Marshal (HQ) @ 135 Pts
Lightning Claw; Storm Shield; Crusader Seals; Terminator Honours

1 Emperor's Champion (HQ) @ 140 Pts
Black Sword; Bolt Pistol; Crusader Seals; Frag Grenades
Accept any Chalenge, No Matter the Odds

1 Venerable Dreadnought (Elites) @ 173 Pts
Dreadnought CCW; Storm Bolter; Multi-Melta; Extra Armour; Smoke Launchers
1 Drop Pod

5 Crusader Squad (Troops) @ 203 Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCW (x3); Power Fist & BP; Meltagun
4 Neophytes - Bolt Pistol & CCW (x4)
Rhino - Storm Bolter; Extra Armour; Smoke Launchers

5 Crusader Squad (Troops) @ 175 Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCW (x3); Power Fist & BP; Meltagun
4 Neophytes - Bolt Pistol & CCW (x4)
Drop Pod - Storm Bolter; Power of the Machine Spirit

5 Crusader Squad (Troops) @ 166 Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCW (x3); Power Weapon & BP; Flamer
4 Neophytes Bolt Pistol & CCW (x4)
Drop Pod - Storm Bolter; Power of the Machine Spirit

5 Crusader Squad (Troops) @ 166 Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCW (x3); Power Weapon & BP; Flamer
4 Neophytes - Bolt Pistol & CCW (x4)
Drop Pod - Storm Bolter; Power of the Machine Spirit

5 Crusader Squad (Troops) @ 101 Pts
Bolter (x3); Lascannon; Plasma Gun

5 Crusader Squad (Troops) @ 101 Pts
Bolter (x3); Lascannon; Plasma Gun

1 Land Speeder Squadron (Fast Attack) @ 70 Pts
Heavy Bolter (x1); Typhoon Missile Launcher (x1)

1 Land Speeder Squadron (Fast Attack) @ 70 Pts
Heavy Bolter (x1); Typhoon Missile Launcher (x1)

Marshal will most likely join the rhino squad (to provide Ld bonus+some early CC hittines), but that depends on the foe I am facing. EC joins one of the drop pod squads, most likely the one with power fist (they need the boost in CC more).

I played something like this already (without rhino and dreadnought, instead a single jumppack squad) and it was a great game, lots of fun. I managed to draw, if I changed one thing it could have been a victory. So I mixed things up a little and I would like your thoughts.

IMHO Marshalls w/out adamanite mantels are a waste one PF attack and your done!

Your dreadnought im taking it is made to take out a tank? Y not make it a LC, ML Tankhunter Vendread more shoots 1 str10 and 1 str 9 cant beat that.

IMHO Neophytes are useless for a CC army. They dont benefit from AaCnMtO so you are paying 40 points for roughly 3 wounds in CC (if you charge) compared to 3 regular Crusaders w/ 4 wounds in CC.

Ive heard of people doing drop pod BT i personaly dont like the ideawe dont have drop pod assault so we are coming in on turn 2+ while the rest of your army dies on the board.

I love the speeders id only suggest a few more. I run 6 and to b Frank i could probli kill Ur LC/PG and Landspeeders b4 ur Droppods even get on the field.

If your going for a fun list and not that competitive this looks pretty good but any horde army would walk threw ur CC guys and any mech would destroy ur units as they all come in on different turns.

Seems like a fun list to play, but the squads starting on the board seem very fragile, and the pod squads (as stated above) seem to be just too weak to fight any horde and win.

But for a friendly game, I suppose it's good.

First of all thank you for your reply.

I understand most of the squads could be made better if I spent some points on them (adamantium mantle, ini instead of neos, tankhunting dread) you need to make some sacrifices to fit into the point limit. Where would you get those points? Delete some squads?

Also I prefer the dread to keep his CCW, because there are things like Dreadknights and GK paladins walking/teleporting around the table and I like to keep him around as CC beast. His MM is supposed to take out a tank, mainly because I lacked the extra 10 points it takes to upgrade it to TL-LC. I thought that taking venerable was better - to improve dreads resilience. But I can cancel the MM and venerable and get enough points to give him LC.

Basicly this is a fun list and I am not likely to be faced with a horde army in my club any time soon (other than infantry traitor guard, but I think this army can take them). However I found I had much more control of the battle with this list than with my previous ones (based aroud rhino CC crusaders), so I thought that with some improvements this could be made into a competitive list (don´t have that many drop pods, but thats another problem).

Ok, what if I:
- deleted two shooty cruasders
- gave the marshall adamantium mantle
- changed the drop pod dread to extra armour, smoke, multimelta, heavy flamer
- took a tankhunting venerable dread w/ extra armour, smoke, TL-lascannon, missile launcher