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2006/03/11 17:57:54
Subject: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Regular Dakkanaut
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A friend of mine had a question: In an Omega-level mission, when a deep-striking or teleporting unit makes its reserve roll and comes into the game, can one choose to bring them from the board edge as normal instead? Do you have to declare (or at least record) that you are using the deep-strike/teleport rule before the game? Declaring in advance would certainly make sense, given that troops would be making very different preparations for entering battle in each scenario (skulking in the bushes behind the front lines vs. swooping by on a dropship). However, it was my thought that although the rules state that deep-striking units are kept in reserve at the begining of the game to deepstrike, implying that you need to make that decision, the RAW don't explicitly state this, thus providing the option of choosing at the time that they come on. What do you think? Thanks.
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2006/03/11 18:13:48
Subject: RE:Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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You do not have to declare. (or at least no rule says so). Hence you may decide as they become available. Of course if your local convention is that you must deploy all infantry models (as opposed to may, which the book says) then you'd have to deepstrike any infantry you've kept in reserve.
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2006/03/11 19:46:53
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There are a few things that will force you to declare. Speed Freaks preliminary bombardment for one. It effects all units in reserves, but not those that will enter play via deep strike. So there are a few things that will make you declair, but for the most part no you don't have to say.
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2006/03/12 02:48:01
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Regular Dakkanaut
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The rules do not state it but I honestly believe it is shady if you do not declare it before the game. Either troops are on the planet coming up on foot or they are on a ship getting sent down. How can you choose both?
Now for mission that have no reservers and people have a unit that deepstrikes they have to deepstrike. NO walking on the table for them and to be perfectly honest, I would be shaking my head if someone walked terminators onto the table in reserve missions.
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2006/03/12 09:37:24
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Making Stuff
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Either troops are on the planet coming up on foot or they are on a ship getting sent down. How can you choose both?
By landing a little further away and walking from there...?
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2006/03/12 23:55:24
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Deepstriking means you roll dice. If you go off the table you lose those troops. There is no free deepstriking from you own table edge with 100% accuracy.
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2006/03/13 01:08:40
Subject: RE:Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Anderton, it helps if you read the posts in the thread before you answer.
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2006/03/13 02:51:40
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Mauleed you didnt' read my responce. I honestly believe that units with transports come out of the table edge and anything that can deepstrike must do so. But again that is my view on it and it's not anywhere in the rules. The reserve rule just states what doesn't start on the table and that units CAN come off the table from your deployment zone.
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2006/03/13 03:17:18
Subject: RE:Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Dude, you shouldn't post drunk. It makes you sound foolish.
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2006/03/13 03:22:26
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Tilter at Windmills
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Anderton, Insaniak was responding to your fluff-based question about how the troops would wind up walking to the battlefield if they had been on a ship- he was suggesting they might have dropped prior to the game, and then walked on from there. Obviously this would only apply to a squad which had the option- like Termies without a pod.
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2006/03/13 04:53:30
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Thats all fine and dandy. You should call that out before the start of turn 1 then. Don't decide to do that turn 5 when your guys finally come out and there is a mission objective that is open for deepstrike or near your deployment zone.
You should be fair with your opponent.
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2006/03/13 05:18:55
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Tilter at Windmills
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Sure. But as you and Ed already agreed, the rules don't say you have to, so you don't. They just say the reserves can either walk on or DS, which makes it possible as both options are explicitly allowed.
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2006/03/13 05:30:18
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It's just like showing your opponent your army list. It's a sportsman thing. If you want to be a sportsman you tell them what you are doing. If you want to be shady then pick when they come out.
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2006/03/13 05:31:38
Subject: RE<img src='desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/biggrin.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Big Grin' align='absmiddle'>eep Striking vs
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Your ability to so boldly state the obvious while completely missing the point of a conversation is quite amusing. I sincerely wish I knew you in real life. You're probably a hoot when you're drunk.
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2006/03/13 05:37:29
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Regular Dakkanaut
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The fact that you think you are witty is insanely funny.
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2006/03/13 07:13:55
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Tilter at Windmills
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Sure. Just like showing your opponents your army list. The rules say to do the complete opposite, but if you want to share lists with your opponent and he agrees, certainly no one will stop you.
Anderton, have you read the stickies at the top of this forum? This is a forum for discussing the rules as written. If you want to bring up intent or your personal opinion of the nice thing to do without rules support, you should clearly label it as such.
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DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
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The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
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2006/03/13 08:08:00
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I follow the freedom of speach law.
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2006/03/13 08:10:33
Subject: RE:Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Posted By CaptAnderton on 03/13/2006 1:08 PM I follow the freedom of speach law.
Is that anything like the Freedom of Speech laws? Keep up the good work.
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2006/03/13 08:16:55
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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You mean the First Amendment to the US Constitution, which guarantees us that the government shall not abridge our right of free expression?
You do know that that's not applicable to stuff you post on someone's privately-owned internet forum, right?
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More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
A better way to score Sportsmanship in tournaments
The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
The Dakka Dakka Forum Rules You agreed to abide by these when you signed up.
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2006/03/13 08:22:49
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Ha ha! This place isn't a democracy, it is a dictatorship! (Benevolent, of course!)
You agree to follow certain rules when you sign up!
I suppose you are free to say whatever you like, and you're also free to be banned if the Mods decide that you've ignored the rules they've set in place!
Now, back slight on topic: I've never liked the idea of showing your list BEFORE the game starts.
AFTER, fine! Double check away! But before? I know that injecting realism to this game is silly, but there is no "real world" way for me to know everything that's in your army before the engagement, is there (and no, really good spies and/or spy satellites don't count!)?
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2006/03/13 08:29:20
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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President of the Mat Ward Fan Club
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Alpharius wrote: Now, back slight on topic: I've never liked the idea of showing your list BEFORE the game starts.
AFTER, fine! Double check away! But before? I know that injecting realism to this game is silly, but there is no "real world" way for me to know everything that's in your army before the engagement, is there (and no, really good spies and/or spy satellites don't count!)?
And there's no way you could individually command each and every one of your soldiers, either. You also shouldn't be able to see enemy units that are out of sight, etc. The rule is in the rulebook, so there's no quibbling it, but in any tournament setting I think list disclosure is a must. Heck, unless I'm playing the same guy I play every week and we want to surprise each other with some bizarre twists, I honestly don't see how maintaining list secrecy adds anything to the game. But that's just my humble opinion.
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2006/03/13 09:50:45
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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I'm not saying we shouldn't follow that rule, just saying I don't like it much...
Many good veteran gamers (note: I am NOT including myself in that list!) will see any surprises coming a mile away. Plus, target things they might not otherwise (WWP in DE squads, etc.).
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2006/03/14 04:17:05
Subject: RE: Deep Striking vs. Regular Reserves Entrance
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Dakka Veteran
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Now, back slight on topic: I've never liked the idea of showing your list BEFORE the game starts.
Well, I kind of agree on this... surprises are more fun. Maybe someone should show the Rule Book to Anderton before he posts?
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