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Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





the rules for the the smart missile system indicate that a model firing a  smart missile system do not need to make a  target priority test..

This apply to broadside that have 2 weapons

If one model in the unit has a smart missile system and the unit must shoot at the same target can the complet unit may ignore the test ?

If the range of the smart missile system was too short can the unit fire the other gun that are in range at the same target or the target must change after we measure the range?


If I read those rule well that may mean that broadside may ignore target priority test if one of the team member  has a smart misile system
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




You wrote it yourself:

"a model firing a  smart missile system [does] not need to make a  target priority test"

How can that be interpreted that if you DON'T  fire a smart missle system you can also ignore target priority?

Also, I'm sorry if english is not your first language, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here:

"
If the range of the smart missile system was too short can the unit fire the other gun that are in range at the same target or the target must change after we measure the range?"

I mean, all shooting is done unit to unit, unless you have a target lock, but then you can't fire both weapons (since that requires a multi tracker.) So maybe you can better describe the situation - Broadsides with what support systems...etc, before I can help you with the 2nd question. Good gaming!

Clarence

   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





English is not my first language


If a broadside fire his railgun and the smart-missile system at a target. From the smart-missile system rules I understant that the broadside does not need to make a target priority test. Now you measure the range of the weapon and you see that the smart missile system was too short in range. What happen with the railgun shot? Now that you have measured do you need to make a target priority check?

If I remember from other thread where a marine with a plasma was shooting and was too short it was considered to have shot and was risking a too hot weapon.

So in practice this may mean that a broadside may ignore target priority test as long as one model in the unit has a smart missile system.
this is how I understant the rule but I wanted to be sure about it since this may be something that people will not like very much
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




Ok. So firing a smart-missile system allows you to ignore target priority. So you say you're shooting the smart missiles and you declare your target (ie: I'm going to shoot at the Devastators behind those Scouts.)

If that target is out of range, you've wasted your shooting that turn - you cannot fire the railgun unless you also have a multi-tracker. If you do have a multi-tracker, you can fire the railgun, but you'll have to target the closest unit (barring a passed target priority test,) since only firing with smart missles allows you to ignore target priority. Anyway, hope that clears things up. Good gaming!

Clarence
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





The rules for the smart missile system do not say that we ignore the test but that we do not do the test.  It also does not say hitting but only shooting. so it look like we do not have to hit.
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




I'm sorry, I know we have a language barrier here, but I don't see what you're trying to get at. Maybe the wording in your codex is different than mine (if your codex is not printed in English.)

It seems to me that you are trying to avoid taking target priority tests for the Broadside team by including a single member with Smart Missiles. However, as clearly stated by the codex:

(p.27) "Models firing a smart missile system do not need to take a Target Priority test."

Therefore, if you are not firing a smart missile system, you still need to take Target Priority tests when firing.

So let's say you're firing at a target that's not the closest with Smart Missiles. You do not need to take a Target Priority test when firing the Smart Missiles, so you are free to shoot them, provided they are in range. If they are out of range, and you want to fire at them with the Railgun, they are not the closest target, so you will need to take a Target Priority test when firing the Railgun.

Also, are you trying to say Smart Missile do not roll to hit? What evidence do you have?
   
Made in au
Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control




Australia

Broadside - multitracker 75

This guy wants to shoot at the obliterator behind the chaos marines. He does not need to take a target priority test to shoot at him if he fires with the smart missile system. What this means is that you can fire with the railgun without having to take a target priority test, as it's a model firing a smart missile system.

If the smart missile system is then out of range, it's a matter of interpretation on whether that counts as firing or not.

I would play that it does count as firing.

Units take target priority tests, not models. If there were two broadsides and 1 had plasmarifles, the unit would still have to take a target priority test if applicable. This is because 1 model in the unit has to take the test, so the unit takes the test.

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Made in us
Dakka Veteran





What this means is that you can fire with the railgun without having to take a target priority test, as it's a model firing a smart missile system.


But doesn't it say that the Smart Missile System is what ignores target priority if fired? Or does it say the model firing it ignores target priority.

Difference here is the weapon itself vs. the entire model and/or unit with.

Can you D.I.G. it? 
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut





The rules say that models firing a smart missile system do not need to make a target priority test

Since there is a "s" to models this may make a difference but I will let that to english people to sort that one. The only thing that I am sure is that If I roll a test it is for the unit. Now do we read that if a model in the unit does make a test and a model in the unit does not make a test that if force a test for the complete unit or it force the complet unit to not make a test.
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut






   
Made in au
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Making Stuff






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Yup, the wording for the Smart Missile is bad.

'Models firing a Smart Missile System do not need to make a Target Priority test.'

But models don't take Target Priority tests... Units do.

So, if only the model with the Smart Missile wants to fire, he does not need to take a Target Priority test. However, if the rest of the unit is shooting in the same turn and takes a Priority test, the model with the Smart Missile would be bound by the result of the test, since the rules only allow him to not make a test, not to ignore the test.

As for firing other weapons... if the model has a Multi Tacker, they can fire two weapons systems. If one of the weapons they fire is a Smart Missile, they don't need to make a Priority test, because 'Models firing a Smart Missile System do not need to make a Target Priority test.'. It makes no difference if the Smart Missile is out of range, since the shooting rules clearly state that out of range shooting merely misses automatically, not that weapons out of range don't fire at all.

Seems a little silly though, since it effectively means that Broadsides with Multi Trackers would never have to make Priority Tests... you just always declare that you are firing the Smart Missiles, whether they are clearly out of range or not.


 
   
Made in us
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St. George, UT

Seems a little silly though, since it effectively means that Broadsides with Multi Trackers would never have to make Priority Tests... you just always declare that you are firing the Smart Missiles, whether they are clearly out of range or not.


Thats the way I read it.

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