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Codex: Tau Empire

p29. "Each time you hit a target unit with a markerlight, put a counter by that unit. The counters remain until the end of the current Tau Shooting phase or until they are used. Counters may be expended by subsequently firing Tau (and Vespid units, as long as the Strain Leader is alive) firing at the 'marked' unit. Every counter expended grants the firing unit one of the following effects, which may be combined.
* To allow a vehicle to fire a single seeker missile at the marked unit. This shooting is resolved normally in all regards at an assumed Ballistic Skill of 5."

p30-31 "Any model equipped with a markerlight may request a seeker missile salvo as detailed in the markerlight rules." ... "Ordinarily, the vehicle carrying the seeker missiles has no control over them and cannot launch them itself. The mechanism is remote and responds only to markerlight users. The missiles may always be fired, each at different targets if relevant, regardless of the distance the vehicle has moved or whether it has fired any other weapons. They may also be fired if the vehicle has suffered a Crew Stunned vehicle damage result."

The seeker rules are pretty much the same as in the old codex, but the markerlight rules have changed significantly. In the new codex neither quote wants to take responsibility for actually firing the missiles. So when should the attack be resolved?

   
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Going by the combined wordings I think that the strongest arguement would be to resolve the missle while the unit with the markerlight is shooting. This is due to the line "responds only to the markerlight users".

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To allow a vehicle to fire a single seeker missile at the marked unit. This shooting is resolved normally in all regards at an assumed Ballistic Skill of 5."

That part is the part you are looking for. While the vehicle has no control over the actual firing of the missile, it is launched from the vehicle, and would be fired as a part of the vehicle's shooting.

Note that "...Counters may be expended by subsequently firing Tau (and Vespid units, as long as the Strain Leader is alive) firing at the 'marked' unit."

So if the Seeker was fired as a part of the same unit's firing, it would not be able to use the marker light fired by that unit.

 
   
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OK so when a pathfinder squad fires marklights at a tank, the seeker missles on their own devilfish cannot launch?

Please note - terms like 'always/never' are carried with the basic understanding that there are exceptions to the rule, and therefore are used to mean generally...




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Dont have the Tau codex but Harkainos- going by that question Id say no- simply because a squad and its transport are not the "same unit"for purposes of firing and deployment. They can fire independently. (Or am i missing something thats unique to tau?)
   
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I don't have it either, just seems wierd with the wording.


As far as when a missile does the Roll to Hit roll... I would say at anypoint during the shooting phase, after a target has been painted. just like before

Please note - terms like 'always/never' are carried with the basic understanding that there are exceptions to the rule, and therefore are used to mean generally...




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OK so when a pathfinder squad fires marklights at a tank, the seeker missles on their own devilfish cannot launch?

Of course they can. The squad and the transport are two seperate units.

 
   
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"each time you hit a target unit with a markerligth put a counter by that unit"

"every counter expends grant the firing unit one of the following effect"

"To allow a vehicle to fire a single seeker missile"

"the missile may always be fired , each at a different target if revelant, regardless of the distance the vehicle has moved or whether it has fired any weapon"

So for me it looks like it is the vehicle that fire and not the unit that put the markerligth there because of the line "to allow a vehicle to fire a seeker missile". The markerligth unit has just put a marker there like any other marker.

There is a line to say that the missile can be fired if the vehicle has already fired but nothing about launching a missile then later use the normal vehicle weapon.

   
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The whole nub of the issue is who is the actual unit that is doing the firing of the missile. For instance, take this phrase from the seeker missle rules....

"Ordinarily, the vehicle carrying the seeker missiles has no control over them and cannot launch them itself. The mechanism is remote and responds only to markerlight users"

This says to me that the vehicle carrying the missle has no part in the firing, and that the markerlight user is the one who controls it. Though, to be honest, I don't think it makes much of a difference at all. The only way the sequence would make any difference is in relation to the other markerlight counters anyways. I would allow an opponent to fire the missle any time they wanted during their firing phase after the markerlight hits.

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"Ordinarily, the vehicle carrying the seeker missiles has no control over them and cannot launch them itself. The mechanism is remote and responds only to markerlight users"

This says to me that the vehicle carrying the missle has no part in the firing, and that the markerlight user is the one who controls it.

Sounds more like fluff to me.

The actual rules for the markerlight state that the vehicle does the firing. The line about the vehicle having control over them is merely to clarify that they can only be launched at a target designated by a markerlight.

 
   
 
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