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Hi guys. I've been using a Veda 180 No longer in production. It''s a chinese rip off of some iwata airbrush. Anyways, I'm looking to get a new airbrush or airbrush(s).
I've been looking at the patriot 105, Velocity, and Krome. I don't mind spending up to about 400 dollars, "that including a good compressor". I want a compressor that turns off once the tanks full.
doesnt overheat in 5 mins of painting. I'd like to be able to go from Base coating to doing quiet detailed work. Not like highlights on faces or something but quiet moderate with the detail. Rest by brush.

I'm writing this, because I'm so confused and am looking for as many opinion's as I can get. I've asked Les and he said the Patriot 105. But will that only do base coating and maybe some preshading?
or will I be able to do for example. Warrior Of Chaos cloak base coat, highlight another highlight no problems?

Thing's I'd like in the products.

- Very quiet compressor doesn't overheat in 5mins easy to set up. With regulator ect.
- Solid Airbrush, least amount of clogging as possible.
- no problems buying 2 airbrushes if I must

What I'd like from you fellas :3

- If you have similar questions to me, please drop a comment all is welcomed.
- If you are quiet an experianced painted, a fairly detailed reason for your comments ect.


Thanks to anyone who views or even better who comments and puts some input. As I no from all the youtube video comments. These questions are asked ALOT!



KRONIC.

Krome is more comfortable to me, but the Velocity has the finer lining capabilities out of the box, though you can get the fine tip version of the Krome as well. The 105 has a tip that is about twice that of the Velocity and fine Krome, and the fine tip option is still a bit larger.

Krome takes some of the best features from across their line though. The grip, trigger and limiter are from the Sotar (my favorite brush ever), the needle and tip are styled after the 105, though like others in the Renegade family, more refined.

You my be able to get a deal on a Krome 2 in 1 kit or a Renegade Extreme kit. That would be the deciding factor for meas they are both great brushes. The 105 is excellent too...but, Badger has taken what they have learned over the years and applied it to their Renegade brushes...so, you might as well too.

On the compressor side of things, something like a TC20T should work well. The compressor is quieter than a kitchen fan, so while you hear it when it comes on, it isnt jarring. To get much quieter, you need to jump in price a good bit to something like an Iwata Jet or Badger Aspire.

Most compressors should have no problem meeting your other requirements. Auto-shutoffs are standard on compressors with tanks, and if it over heats ever...it is defective and should be replaced.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Krome is more comfortable to me, but the Velocity has the finer lining capabilities out of the box, though you can get the fine tip version of the Krome as well. The 105 has a tip that is about twice that of the Velocity and fine Krome, and the fine tip option is still a bit larger.

Krome takes some of the best features from across their line though. The grip, trigger and limiter are from the Sotar (my favorite brush ever), the needle and tip are styled after the 105, though like others in the Renegade family, more refined.

You my be able to get a deal on a Krome 2 in 1 kit or a Renegade Extreme kit. That would be the deciding factor for meas they are both great brushes. The 105 is excellent too...but, Badger has taken what they have learned over the years and applied it to their Renegade brushes...so, you might as well too.

On the compressor side of things, something like a TC20T should work well. The compressor is quieter than a kitchen fan, so while you hear it when it comes on, it isnt jarring. To get much quieter, you need to jump in price a good bit to something like an Iwata Jet or Badger Aspire.

Most compressors should have no problem meeting your other requirements. Auto-shutoffs are standard on compressors with tanks, and if it over heats ever...it is defective and should be replaced.

my current air brush has a 0.3 needle. I have a TC20T and i think its loud :/ i gfet about 5mins of airbrushing and it turns off... mine just keeps going tho i dont think its using the tank.

If you want a good airbrush/compressor you have to think about 250bucks minimum for the pistol and round about 700bucks for the compressor.
I'm using harder&steenbeck pistols for many years now and they are pretty good but not that cheap. For miniature painting I am using the Evolution from harder&steenbeck.
Once I am back from holydays I can add my compressor. Using it for 5years now and you barely hear it. It is quiet a piece of compressor and costed about 750Euros but I wont swap it for anything cheaper.

kronicpsycho wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Most compressors should have no problem meeting your other requirements. Auto-shutoffs are standard on compressors with tanks, and if it over heats ever...it is defective and should be replaced.

I have a TC20T and i think its loud :/ i gfet about 5mins of airbrushing and it turns off... mine just keeps going tho i dont think its using the tank.

Sounds like you have a defective compressor and it should have been replaced. A friend picked up a TC20T last year and I helped set him up then let him borrow a few brushes to make up his mind on what he wanted to go with. The compressor wasn't bad at all and it would shutoff when the tank hit around 60 PSI and kick back in around 30-35 PSI. The noise level was a bit quieter than the fan over the stove in the kitchen. If yours isn't working along those lines - it is defective. Not sure how old it is - but you might consider contacting who you purchased it through or taking it down to a tool repair shop as it may be something simple that they can fix for a few bucks.


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 Gorbad wrote:
If you want a good airbrush/compressor you have to think about 250bucks minimum for the pistol and round about 700bucks for the compressor.

Absolutely no reason you would need to or even want to spend that much. Heck, you would be hard pressed to spend $700 on a compressor. The Iwata Shark line which are designed for running multiple airbrushes at the same time (like at a commercial shop that does T-shirts or body painting) top out at around $1200. That isn't anything a home user would need or even want as the compressor used is the same style used in refrigerators and freezers to while extremely quiet - it costs a bit just to run. Most of their Power Jet line is in the $300-500 range and is capable of running thick paints through tiny orifices...something which you don't need to do when you are painting models. About the most that your average mini-painter would need is something like a Sprint Jet - as those were designed for spraying thin paints and inks. Anything else is just overkill.

Airbrushes - even top of the line brushes can be had for under $200, and the Renegade line is cheaper than that too. H&S are nice, but there is nothing that makes them the only "good" airbrush. Out of all of the brushes I have used, the only place that they really stand out is the ease of disassembly and cleaning.

The Patriot 105 is what I use. The .76mm is pretty big but don't let that, or the general obsession with getting the tiniest set up scare you. With practice and a steady hand I can get just a thin a line as with my .35mm brush but can easily do bigger jobs like zenithal shading and base coating. It's an incredibly forgiving, sturdy brush. I wish I'd bought this one in the first place. I do believe a smaller needle/nozzle set up would make very very thin lines easier. For that they sell smaller conversion kits .5 and I believe a .36 ish one. However, the 105 is more than capable of a small line as is with practice. I love it and have no real desire for anything else.

i had the patriot 105 and they made a conversion kit for a smaller needle/nozzle, here is the link: http://www.dickblick.com/items/25099-2003/

the patriot is a good all around airbrush not to expensive, if you get both the super detail kit and the standard one you should have both bases covered for base coating and detail, as for a good compressor thats something im not to familiar with i got a POS compressor from harbor freight for cheap

Also, since it hasn't been mentioned yet, the Patriot 105 is available for about $60 on Amazon!

 Badger_Bhoy wrote:
Also, since it hasn't been mentioned yet, the Patriot 105 is available for about $60 on Amazon!

O really... I live in Australia so they do not ship to me :(

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Badger-Patriot-105-Airbrush-105-NIB-/390560512778?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5aef387b0a&_uhb=1#ht_902wt_1163


cheapest ive found so far.. and about the compressor lol its been doing that since day one. I new there was something wrong with it. When Iwatched videos and peoples one turning off :(
I've had it for about 1 year so I don't think I'll be getting a refund. or a replacement...

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

kronicpsycho wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Most compressors should have no problem meeting your other requirements. Auto-shutoffs are standard on compressors with tanks, and if it over heats ever...it is defective and should be replaced.

I have a TC20T and i think its loud :/ i gfet about 5mins of airbrushing and it turns off... mine just keeps going tho i dont think its using the tank.

Sounds like you have a defective compressor and it should have been replaced. A friend picked up a TC20T last year and I helped set him up then let him borrow a few brushes to make up his mind on what he wanted to go with. The compressor wasn't bad at all and it would shutoff when the tank hit around 60 PSI and kick back in around 30-35 PSI. The noise level was a bit quieter than the fan over the stove in the kitchen. If yours isn't working along those lines - it is defective. Not sure how old it is - but you might consider contacting who you purchased it through or taking it down to a tool repair shop as it may be something simple that they can fix for a few bucks.


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 Gorbad wrote:
If you want a good airbrush/compressor you have to think about 250bucks minimum for the pistol and round about 700bucks for the compressor.

Absolutely no reason you would need to or even want to spend that much. Heck, you would be hard pressed to spend $700 on a compressor. The Iwata Shark line which are designed for running multiple airbrushes at the same time (like at a commercial shop that does T-shirts or body painting) top out at around $1200. That isn't anything a home user would need or even want as the compressor used is the same style used in refrigerators and freezers to while extremely quiet - it costs a bit just to run. Most of their Power Jet line is in the $300-500 range and is capable of running thick paints through tiny orifices...something which you don't need to do when you are painting models. About the most that your average mini-painter would need is something like a Sprint Jet - as those were designed for spraying thin paints and inks. Anything else is just overkill.

Airbrushes - even top of the line brushes can be had for under $200, and the Renegade line is cheaper than that too. H&S are nice, but there is nothing that makes them the only "good" airbrush. Out of all of the brushes I have used, the only place that they really stand out is the ease of disassembly and cleaning.

Well I am more professional orientated and I dont want to hear my compressor nor do I want to interrupt my sessions because it goes low on pressure. On top of that the cheap compressors are not meant to run very long before something gets broken.

Regarding the H&S thingy: Airbrushing is 80% preparation/afterwork and 20% "brushing" so cleaning my pistols easily is on top of my priority list. But if you're just looking for some cheap pistol/compressor to undercoat stuff it might work with the low budget stuff.

I don't hear my compressor either - but that is because it is outside and I run a pressure line from it. I also have no issues from loosing pressure and all that, and the total setup (including hardwiring to a dedicated breaker, oil and water filters, pressure lines and manifolds) didn't cost me $500.

On the brushes - there is a big difference. I wouldn't recommend someone who changes the oil on their car once every few months and maybe replaces a belt or the sparkplugs every few years to go out and buy a full set of tools from Snap-On or Mack. The consumer grade tools work just as well for most people. In the same way, a person who is not using an airbrush for 5 or 6 hours a day doing production work doesn't need an airbrush where the biggest advantage it has is the ability to strip it down easily. Most of them will only need to strip it down completely a few times a year...as normal cleaning will work the rest of the time.

The H&S is nice, but I would not say it is worth the extra cost for a casual user. Especially a casual user who isn't looking to do any fine detailing. It isn't that I don't like the H&S (I have two in my own collection of airbrushes - a Colani and an Infinity 2in1), however it is much more brush than what they need or even will ever use. The vast majority of things which I see people doing on miniatures with airbrushes could be done with a Badger 350 (granted there are a few who do some nice freehand work and delicate shading of muscle groups who are using the full potential of the brushes).

The idea that someone needs to spend nearly $1000 for a good airbrush setup though isn't accurate and will put people off from a lot of the benefits that they offer (even if it is using them mostly as a replacement for rattle cans).

I "have" to agree on that. If you dont use your airbrush a lot go with a cheaper one but I like to see an airbrush you dont need to strip and clean after sessions. Maybe I am a bit nitpicking on this but I clean my brushes evertime before I use another colour and piece for piece because a ruined paintjob because of airbrush failure directly cut my payment - spending more hours without getting payed for them.

 Gorbad wrote:
I "have" to agree on that. If you dont use your airbrush a lot go with a cheaper one but I like to see an airbrush you dont need to strip and clean after sessions. Maybe I am a bit nitpicking on this but I clean my brushes evertime before I use another colour and piece for piece because a ruined paintjob because of airbrush failure directly cut my payment - spending more hours without getting payed for them.

Not saying you shouldn't strip them down and clean after each session - just saying that a lot of people will simply squirt some water through them and call it good (I know, that is how I got 3 very nice airbrushes - dried lacquers are like super glue). Though my comment was really more to the issue that after the initial excitement of getting an airbrush has passed, many of the casual users will only use their airbrush a few times a year.

Concerning the compressor.
Get yourself a Sparmax, for example the TC-620. The company building this things has a high reputation.

Compressors by Iwata, like the Power Jet Pro are just relabeled Sparmax compressors (Power Jet Pro = Tc-620).

You will be very happy with this tool and will save a lot of money.

 Gorbad wrote:
I "have" to agree on that. If you dont use your airbrush a lot go with a cheaper one but I like to see an airbrush you dont need to strip and clean after sessions. Maybe I am a bit nitpicking on this but I clean my brushes evertime before I use another colour and piece for piece because a ruined paintjob because of airbrush failure directly cut my payment - spending more hours without getting payed for them.

i def airbrush alot and i normally do a good clean before putting threw a new paint. But if i had to go for a 100 dollar compressor or 700 ima wid the 100 :3 but you have good points all of you.



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 Enzephalon wrote:
Concerning the compressor.
Get yourself a Sparmax, for example the TC-620. The company building this things has a high reputation.

Compressors by Iwata, like the Power Jet Pro are just relabeled Sparmax compressors (Power Jet Pro = Tc-620).

You will be very happy with this tool and will save a lot of money.

1/6HP Air Compressor for Spray Gun Air Brush AS-186 is my current compressor. I never new it was ment to automatically turn off once the tank was full...
my one just runs the entiretime i'm spraying. My biggest problem with my current compressor. is it overheats in like 5mins and its really loud :/

Btw i couldnt find the sparmax tc 620

The TC-620 turns off once the tank is full, which doesn't take very long. Even with constant spraying I have no issues with heat. It isn't loud either.

If you can't find it anywhere, that's a real shame though.

 Enzephalon wrote:
The TC-620 turns off once the tank is full, which doesn't take very long. Even with constant spraying I have no issues with heat. It isn't loud either.

If you can't find it anywhere, that's a real shame though.

I found one online for 488 dollars :O

That's a real shame.
I bought mine for 270 Euro, which is little over 300 USD.

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 Enzephalon wrote:
That's a real shame.
I bought mine for 270 Euro, which is little over 300 USD.

what do you think of

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1-3-HP-AIRBRUSH-AIR-COMPRESSOR-Auto-Paint-Spray-Gun-/390565645068?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5aef86cb0c

its a membrane compressor appartently you get alot more uptime than a standard piston compressor. I normally airbrush in 1 - 2 hour increments. very crap having to wait upto 1 hour for the thing to completely cool down :(
I think the guy who sold me my current compressor is trying ti get out of replacing it. I've provided him with paypal transactions number and all that and hasn't replied yet. I'm still worried, if I even do get it under warrenty its going to cost me like
50 dollars to ship it in australia :/ half the price of the thing.


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 Gorbad wrote:
I "have" to agree on that. If you dont use your airbrush a lot go with a cheaper one but I like to see an airbrush you dont need to strip and clean after sessions. Maybe I am a bit nitpicking on this but I clean my brushes evertime before I use another colour and piece for piece because a ruined paintjob because of airbrush failure directly cut my payment - spending more hours without getting payed for them.

should I get the Patriot 105 - 2XR or jus the normal patriot.
the bigger cup with extra nozzle or what>?


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or badger Velocity