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2024/03/03 15:20:53
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Librarians, old and new
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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youwashock wrote:That's just...uh...perspective, yeah.
Nice work, Nev. The group psyker pic rules. The new guy's axe is quite slick.
Part of me wanted to go a little brighter on the blade, but I like they way it turned out myself.
RedSarge wrote:That's a very rich blue, reminds of the Chaos Gate '98 Blue for the Ultramarines.
These guys are celestium blue contrast over ultramarine blue, with a little lightning bolt blue edge highlights. The contrast is a new experiment to find a replacement for my old “Blue Ink” it might be a hair darker, but not crazy so.
Over the years I’ve seen a lot of range in how people do Ultras. From powder blue to almost black. I’ve always favored a richer sapphire blue to the “official” paint scheme
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2024/03/03 15:55:36
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Librarians, old and new
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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How did you do the gold on the Gravis Captain? I quite like the look of it.
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2024/03/03 17:39:43
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Librarians, old and new
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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All my golds these days are Guiliman Flesh contrast over Shining Gold. The old hexpot is still holding on to life, but is getting a little sludgy. The Guiliman Flesh replaced the old Chestnut Ink I used to use. Sometimes I’ll pop out the highlights with a bright silver, but not always. I don’t recall if I did it for the captain.
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2024/03/04 14:37:08
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Librarians, old and new
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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So it’s nice to have plastic scouts that don’t suck. Not that they were all bad (the snipers were passable) but a far cry from the old metals.
Built these guys as a 10th ed 40k squad. At least as I figure the best build is. No reason not to take the ML and sniper. For the sarge, the chainsword gives him a pretty major boost in CC. Shotgunner is there as an action monkey, as he can still do things after advancing. And a bolter just to round out the squad (and as the tracker specialist if I want to run them in KT)
With the ability to split fire at will, it’s not absolutely horrible that everyone in the squad has a different weapon. From a physical rolling the dice and slowing down play POV, it’s pretty bad. In universe, it’s a flexable TAC squad. You have the ML/sniper on support, the sarge and the shotgun on point, and the bolter in a flex role to cover where needed.
The question is how to build the next 5.
For KT, I’d need the HB gunner, Hunter ( BP/ CCW) and 2 more warriors
for 40k, I’d want another squad like I built, (but would swap out the ML for a HB because I like HBs thematically)
Now the scout KT is 9 guys, so I do have a spare body. Which is going to end up being the sniper. Issue comes up where I need another sarge. What I’m thinking is treating the auspex guy as a sarge. He’s got the look, bolter is a legal wargear option. You miss out on the AP and extra attacks, but if they are just going to be backfield camping, is that a big deal?
Already built:
ML
Warrior - shotgun
Sarge - chainsword
Tracker
Sniper
To Build:
HB
Hunter ( BP/ CCW)
Warrior - Shotgun
Warrior - Bolter
Sniper
So that’s a KT with all the specialists, and the 3 warriors being 2 shotguns and a bolter. With the tracker acting as a sarge, that gives me 2 5 man 40k squads:
ML
Sniper
Tracker (sarge w/bolter)
Bolter
Shotgun
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HB
Sniper
Sarge w/ chainsword
Hunter ( BP/ CCW)
Shotgun
OK, I think I have a plan. For when I actually bulid them. Probably going to build something else first.
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2024/03/06 20:39:39
Subject: Re:Nevelon’s Workbench: Librarians, old and new
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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I recently got a box of the new Scouts, and I'm building mine the exact same way so I can use them for big 40k or Kill Team. Might as well get as much flexibility out of the models as possible right?
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2024/03/06 21:45:46
Subject: Re:Nevelon’s Workbench: Librarians, old and new
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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ZergSmasher wrote:I recently got a box of the new Scouts, and I'm building mine the exact same way so I can use them for big 40k or Kill Team. Might as well get as much flexibility out of the models as possible right?
It bugs me a little to have their gear all scattershot.
Classically my scouts have been equipped for roles. All sniper (now legends) or all CC. Sometimes a light mix, like simple bolters for a screening unit. Or toss some shotguns in with the knives and BPs for flavor. When gear had costs there was an advantage to running cheep and cheerful squads. Now there is no real reason not to toss a ML into a CC squad. You give up one swing in CC (but the knife otherwise hits the same as a fist) but gain massive bonuses to shooting. Bit of a shame, as the CC scouts look pretty cool.
It’s not a lore issue, as I could totally see a KT of scouts with a little bit of everything in the field. It’s purely game mechanics. I think of it as the “Lesson of the Vanguard Veterans” When I first built my VVs I did it from a fluffy lore POV. These were the cream of the chapter’s warriors with pretty much open access to the armory. Every brother a hero of countless battles, with their own preference for bringing the fight to the enemy. The squad was equipped with a medley of swords, spears, mauls, axes, assorted pistols, shields. Looked pretty cool. But this was when they all had different stats, including hitting at different initiatives. When they hit combat things crashed to a halt as I needed to figure out who was swing what at who when. What a nightmare. Toss who is making saves and ending up a casualty on top of that for extra fun.
The mechanics of rolling the dice and wound management for a unit should not add that much time to the game.
And that’s what kills me about the scouts.
I guess it could be worse. Bolters, bolt pistols and shotguns are all flavors of S4 AP- D1 fire. It’s just weapon time, range, and number of shots that differentiates things. So it’s only the heavy and the sniper that need to be called out. Still, 3 different dice pools for the shooting of a 5 man 65 point unit.
OK, that’s enough angry old man yelling at clouds for now.
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Paint going down on marines. Almost done with basecoats, I sould get a pic. Also building the chaplain on bike. About halfway done, fun model. Little tricky getting the front wheel lined up. Probably going to need to clip the guide nub when attaching it to the base detail. Also need to decide how many parts to leave it in for painting.
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2024/03/08 11:35:28
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Librarians, old and new
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Paint progress.
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2024/03/08 15:18:50
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Librarians, old and new
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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Bladeguard or Sternguard?
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2024/03/08 16:08:54
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Librarians, old and new
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Neither.
Although 2 started their lives as sternguard. These guys will join my existing ancient and form a company command squad. So one company champion, on vet w/ HB, and one vet with a BR. All are push fit, 2 from the lev box, champ was MTO a while back.
Rebased the lev guys on 40s.
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2024/03/10 16:54:25
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Librarians, old and new
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Chaplain is a pretty straight build. No need to fuss around to make him more cool. The only changes I made were not to use the skull strapped to the back of the seat, and clip the ring off the handle of the pistol.
Next on deck are hormagaunts. Clipped 5, cleaned and built one already.
Should be just about done with the basecoats on the marines. Drybrush, wash and cleanup next. Plus the arms and such.
Hope everyone is having a good weekend.
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2024/03/15 17:32:52
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Company command
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Getting there. Need to clean up the tabards before I wash them.
Gaunts needs eyes/teeth touch ups. Almost done.
4 hormagaunts built. Nice new models.
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2024/03/15 21:08:41
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Company command
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Looking really good Nev. Man, you've really come a long way. Congrats!
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2024/03/18 04:34:23
Subject: Re:Nevelon’s Workbench: Company command
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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I'm liking the Company Command guys so far, and look forward to seeing them all done. I also like that you more or less cobbled the unit together from stuff you had rather than getting the bespoke kit like I did (and they took away the option to use it with some of my characters, not salty about that at all, no sirree...)
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2024/03/18 15:20:48
Subject: Nevelon’s Workbench: Company command
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Gitsplitta wrote:Looking really good Nev. Man, you've really come a long way. Congrats!
Slow, steady, persistence, even at my pace, adds up over time.
ZergSmasher wrote:I'm liking the Company Command guys so far, and look forward to seeing them all done. I also like that you more or less cobbled the unit together from stuff you had rather than getting the bespoke kit like I did (and they took away the option to use it with some of my characters, not salty about that at all, no sirree...)
I already had the champ and ancient (and way more captains then I need) so why buy the new box for a marine with a bolter and one with a HB? Granted I was still tempted, as they do look awesome. But the hobby budget is sadly limited, so I just tapped some sternguard for the job.
Considering the death stars and unintended consequences of character/unit interactions, I can only give GW some flack for how they are doing things in 10th. Could they have done a better/more careful job? Absolutely. Honestly the command squad should just be open to all characters. It’s a jack of all trades TAC unit that doesn’t really do anything well in a game that rewards specialists. Sure, -1 to wound while there is a character in there is nice, but if you just want wounds to back up a HQ seems there are better bodyguards that actually do something, or are more robust then basic T4 3+ footsloggers (even if they are 4W a pop)
Related note: I really hate how GW presents who can join what unit. If I have a unit and want to know who can join, I need to sift through all the HQ entries to find out. And there are a ton of those.
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So I cleaned up the beige on the marines. I’m going to highlight/shadow the fabric a little before the wash. Give the contrast a little help on the folds, as they are quite prominent on the tabards.
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