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So the only real weakness in these rules is the magic, at least in my opinion (I'm sure there are people who like playing without intensive magic). I'm sure that Mantic will give us a proper magic system in the next edition, but until then, just wondering if anyone knows any good like fan-made rules and what not for magic in this game?

I tried just straight up applying the Fantasy magic to it. Could work with an extensive re-write because of lots of stats ("test Initiatve or take a wound...) and such that don't exist in this game, but in my case it failed miserably =(

There's an article in here with some suggestions for Magic rules, complete with downloadable spell cards!

https://ironwatch.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/ironwatch-magazine-issue-04/

(Starting on page 14 of the pdf)

No. Just... NO! the whole fething point of KoW is that it actually involves tactful manouvring and some actual skill, not just throwing the biggest stupid magical frog on the table and calling it a day. Really, that would just be awful - magic in KoW is fine as it is - perhaps a bit more flavour to some spells, maybe a little bit more variety, but certainly not much.
And really, I think you'll find both the majority of KoW players as well as a certain Italian games designer feel the same, luckily

A little more variety would indeed be nice. But the spells function well as they are, as Bolognesus stated. The game requires tactics, not an "I win" button. Vortex spells need not apply. Perhaps, at most, a larger fireball/magic missile could exist that does 10 instead of 5 attacks, or a greater heal, or a speed boost, but that's about it. I'll have to check out the Ironwatch spell list and see if I'd like to try it out.

I am personally absolutely against any magic-phase style system. Spells can be added in within the existing framework of the rules.

If Mantic makes an army list with a spellcaster that has a fireball, it's easy enough to give the spellcaster a Blast d6 attack. Mhorgoth already has a zap, heal, and breath attack; so it's not inconceivable to give a spellcaster a Range stat and a Blast d6 or something.

 darkPrince010 wrote:
There's an article in here with some suggestions for Magic rules, complete with downloadable spell cards!

https://ironwatch.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/ironwatch-magazine-issue-04/

(Starting on page 14 of the pdf)

Cheers man, I knew there would be *something* out there but my google-fu failed me.

As for everyone else, I fully understand where your coming from here, but by no means does the magic have to be a "win button". I find the magic in, for instance, my Orcs and Goblins army, to be the most flavourful aspect of the entire army book, especially the Spells of the Little WAAAAGH. In KoW, while the rules are rock solid and I love them, you can't argue that it couldn't use a little more variety and flavour at this point, and magic is definitely an area through which this could be expressed.

Probably doesn't help though that all three of my armies (Goblins, Orcs, Dwarves) are like the least magic armies in the game.

If Mantic makes an army list with a spellcaster that has a fireball, it's easy enough to give the spellcaster a Blast d6 attack

This is actually right up my alley. My Goblin "Wiz" heroes just do a Zap(3). Big whoop. But if they could like, paralyse an enermy unit with something like itchy nuisance to make it slower or something, that'd be what I've got in mind.

I think the new basilean (sp i'm sure) book is coming with 6 new spells that fill the same slot as zap. Archetypal stuff like fireball lightning bolt, basically simple mods to range/pierce/hits. All models that can zap can use those spells instead. And you can choose which spell to use on any given turn, no need to select it beforehand.

It was in the last half hour of the podcast (#9), maybe the last 20 minutes or so, I wasn't paying close attention. I think the power level is meant to be in line with Zap! , just add some variety/utility to it.

There are something like double the minor magic items added in too, sounds fun if I ever get the chance to play

Which podcast is this? I'm very interested in this

9 the newest. http://www.manticgames.com/News/Article/270613-Mantic-Podcast-Episode-9-is-now-live.html


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I think its basically right at minute mark 50. Little appendix in the back of the book he mentions. About what I typed, there aren't specifics yet they want us to buy the book

Thanks man, didn't know they had a podcast

Me either until that one came out and I saw it on the forums. May go check out the old ones but I think they're primarily news so maybe moot.

Heh - as you may have figured out... more powerful magic is kind of a flash topic - with folks on both sides.

I like they way that they are handled now - not a lot of flavor, but if you want to describe the effects of Wip's Zap (5) as a giant foot stomping on the targeted unit then there is nothing to stop you.... Or maybe describing it as the Finger Flick of Mork....

The Auld Grump