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Im attending a tournament soon, the first since 4th edition and I really don't think I'll do very well, I only want to have some fun games against different armies, but winning one or two games would be nice. I'm only using and buying models I like, so NO HELDRAKE!!! not dishing out 50+ quid on a model I don't like no matter how meta it is.

I'm not sure what the missions are going to be, so I made more of a line breaker Iron Warrior army with some supporting fire.

The two rhinos will be rushing up, the khorne lads will zoom to the enemy lines and hold them up, the nurgle lads will meet up with the infiltrated plague marines+Huron and hold the center, Warpsmith is to break some area terrain up while the defiler booms away. The oblits will either deepstike or walk depending on the opponent.

Any and all criticism or advice will be very much appreciated as i have very little experience with 6th or its meta




Huron Blackheart................................................160

Warpsmith.......................................................165
Sigil of Corruption - Brand of Skalathrax


Chaos Space Marines.............................................245
10 marines - MoN - additional CCWs - VotLW - Meltagun
Champion w/Powerfist - Combi flamer
Rhino...........................................................60
Combi melta - Dirge Caster

Chaos Space Marines.............................................225
10 marines - MoK - additional CCWs - VotLW
Champion w/Powerfist
Rhino...........................................................60
Combi melta - Dirge Caster


Plague Marines..................................................213
7 Marines - 2 w/plasmaguns
Champion w/Power weapon


Havocs..........................................................166
7 Marines - 4 w/Autocannons
Champion w/ Icon of Vengence

Defiler.........................................................200
Havoc Launcher

Obliterators....................................................154
2 obliterators w/MoN

drop havoc launcher on defiler, when you shoot with the battlecannon (ordanance) you snap fire with the other weapons, since nothing on that arm can snapfire the only weapon worth considering is the power scourge, otherwise keep TL heavy flamer for ultra nasty overwatch fire.

IMO defilers are overcosted junk your better served by extra obliterators, which need votlw as they are no longer fearless

im upset that you dont like the drake please tell me what part of jet propelleled mechanised dragons is unlikeable? i know the models a little crap but it converts well.

However in this edition flyers are a vital part of the game and a part you havent considered, grab and ADL and quad gun. it makes a good camp for your havocs and the champ can grab the quad gun and attack flyers for you, yet against a drake who can fly over an destroy the squad in one pass its still rather flimsy, hence why more oblits are a good idea they can grow assalt cannons in the new dex and that puts out alot of shots to kill soft aircraft.

warpsmith cant take special issue wargear so no SoC for you, you will have to take and aura of dark glory and and tzeentch mark if you want that 4++ save

Thanks for the catch with the warpsmith, frees up a good chunk of points. I agree that the defiler is overcosted and somewhar crap, but I haveva quality plan for converting it into a chained down daemon bound artillery piece, and every army needs a center piece right?

Its solely the heldrakes model I don't like, the concept is great, as with its rules. The moment I see a good conversion ill get one.

As for the aegis, it seems that everyone is using it but I don't know where to shed the points for it.

IMO, if you google "heldrake conversion" you will find some brilliant conversions. It is, however, awesome and brings a lot to the table that will help the shortcomings of any CSM army.
Also why all the extra CCW on the marines, most likely you will lose a couple, when they get close enough and with good positioning you will only lose a 14 pt model opposed to a 16 point one.
It may not matter much, but it could give you a couple of points to buy something else.

 Toastedandy wrote:
Thanks for the catch with the warpsmith, frees up a good chunk of points. I agree that the defiler is overcosted and somewhar crap, but I haveva quality plan for converting it into a chained down daemon bound artillery piece, and every army needs a center piece right?

Its solely the heldrakes model I don't like, the concept is great, as with its rules. The moment I see a good conversion ill get one.

As for the aegis, it seems that everyone is using it but I don't know where to shed the points for it.

Try using a Terrorgheist / Zombie Dragon.

To try and keep this from a "Why you no Helldrake?" discussion, I'll try to go back to the marines. I don't have much experience building a Chaos list, but I can tell you what I'd do against this one: KILL DEFI. Having one defi makes it a priority target, especially for hoard armies like Orks (my main). I will put everything I can into that boy until it's dead as soon as possible. I highly recommend either doubling up (lose the plague marines) or ditch defi and take more infantry. Other than that, this group looks strong. An unspoken rule that I've learned in 6th is "One is None." Taking only one of a strong unit will make them a target and they'll get blasted right away, making your capability much less than it was.

As nice as the terrorgeist is, I play Iron Warriors, so a fleshy daemon looking thing wouldn't really fit in with the armies aesthetic. As tactically sound a heldrake would be, I'm banking on the opponents having aa weaponry, which would be wasted on my flightless army. I'm also in this hobby for the modelling and painting with gaming low on my priority list.

Having a 5 men with the additional ccw and the rest without is a really good idea, frees up some more points to play with, maybe a few flamers in the chaos marine squads for overwatch?

I was thinking of having a pair of defilers, but i can only have 3 heavys (as far as i know) and losing the oblits and havocs would leave me with very little high out put aa weaponry.
If im wrong and can take 4 heavys, would that leave me with too few infantry units?

Here's a revised list

Huron Blackheart................................................160

Warpsmith.......................................................170
MoT - Aura of dark glory - Brand of Skalathrax


Chaos Space Marines.............................................245
10 marines - MoN - 5 additional CCWs - VotLW - 2 w/Meltaguns
Champion w/Powerfist - Combi flamer
Rhino...........................................................60
Combi melta - Dirge Caster

Chaos Space Marines.............................................225
10 marines - MoK - 5 additional CCWs - VotLW - 2 w/flamers
Champion w/Powerfist
Rhino...........................................................60
Combi melta - Dirge Caster


Plague Marines..................................................213
7 Marines - 2 w/plasmaguns
Champion w/Power weapon


Havocs..........................................................166
7 Marines - 4 w/Autocannons
Champion w/ Icon of Vengence

Defiler.........................................................195


Obliterators....................................................154
2 obliterators w/MoN

I'd recommend your champions have PW not PF as they have to declare a challenge and if they strike last I've found they get killed before they swing the fist.

Also additional ccw's for the Khorne unit are free if you discard their bolter... thats 40 points saved there (with the PF's- PW's and CCW's)... imo Dark Apostles would be worth it for this list as re-rolls when charging would be invaluable with MoK and all those attacks...

Sorcerors of Tzeentch are also worth it as some of the powers are low AP so kill MeQ