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Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




I just wanted to see if anyone here on the forum has worked with this company. In January I traded Sean, the owner, a number of models for commission work. When I originally asked, and re-verified before I sent the models, I was told it would take 3 weeks for the commission to be completed. This seemed like a very fast turn around considering what I was sending him so I was not surprised when it became obvious the deadline would not be met. Here is the summary of the conversations we had.

Between the 12/26/2013 and 01/05/2014 I received a total of 24 emails from Sean about a possible trade. Often I received multiple emails per day. He came across as a responsible business owner. We agreed on an amount I would pay for the commission work taking into account the numerous models I would trade him.

1/16/2014 - I receive a message that the models arrived. There was a $72 customs fee that I reimbursed Sean for, as I did not feel it was right for him to have to pay this.

1/22/2014 - Received a message that Sean was trying to finish a job for one other client and he would get to my models after this.

2/05/2014 - Was told by Sean he would have some pictures sent to me on how the models were coming along

2/09/2014 - Sent Sean an email about a tournament I had coming up and was checking in to see if the models would be completed in time.

2/14/2014 - Received an email from Sean stating he thought they would be finished by then.

I sent numerous email asking for an update as I never received any pictures.

2/28/2014 - Received an email stating they were having internet problems and he would send over the pictures and upload videos to the YouTube channel.

Again I never saw anything and sent numerous emails requesting some sore of an update.

3/14/2014 - Received an email basically saying the exact same thing as the last one. They were having internet issues and he would send over the pics soon.

You can link to the Youtube page here
https://www.youtube.com/user/BattlegroundsWG/videos

Between 2/05/2014 and 3/17/2014 Sean uploaded 22 videos, none of which had any of the models I sent him. After being ignored for weeks I was finally able to get a hold of Sean through Twitter. And once again I was given the same story. The internet is messed up and he will send over the pics. This was on 03/24/2014, and I have never heard anything since then.

The company Sean runs had a special going on where you could pay $500 and get $1000 worth of service. Between the original transaction and the additional money I paid to have the customs fees reimbursed I was close to this number so I offered to jump in on the deal. They of course accepted and I sent over the remaining money. Once I realized either Sean's company is either incapable or unwilling to honor their end of the deal I requested a refund of the extra money I paid to get in of the special offer, I still wanted to pay for the commission as well as the customs fee.

I am hoping this is resolved soon, but I am at a bit of a loss with this whole ordeal. I have tried to use people before who just posted on the Forum that they would do commission work and never had any luck. This time I decided that I would go through a company as I presumed this would be safer and have someone who cared about the service they give their customers. So far this has been at least as bad if not the worst experience I have had. I could not possibly recommend this company to anyone at this point.

If anyone else has worked with Battlegrounds Wargaming and has any advice on how to get responses from them I would greatly appreciate the help.

If there are any changes to this situation I will try to update this thread.
   
Made in ca
Dakka Veteran




Canada

I am sorry to say this but you can consider your models and your money gone.

I live in Ontario and when heard of this company I hopped right on it. Originally he said my commission of ONE tank would take two weeks, which I considered very reasonable. I sent him the tank and the money, this was in Janurary. He has since stopped contacting me, and will not respond to my calls or texts.

Now that is just one tank, my brother on the other hand sent him a fairly large space wolf detachment to have painted up. Not only that but over $600 worth of High Elves as payment. My brother also put in over 40 hours of work for Sean developing all those fancy spreadsheets he has, which my brother was promised payment for. Last month my brother was getting frustrated and asked he return the models, both the space wolves and the high elves. He said he would, when we got the package it was only the space wolves, might I add that only had the base coat done, when Sean said he was sending finished models back. When my brother asked about the high elves he said they were sold, and he wouldn't give a refund. In his words he didn't offer refunds for trade-ins.

This was very unprofessional and I have all his contact information for any who wants it. Below I will post a very lengthy facebook message feed between him and I. Please note it is long, sorry about the spelling errors. let me know if I missed any personal information. My brother and I have since gave up and cut out losses, but be warned.

Spoiler:

Kevin Armitage
Hello this is Kevin, I am Irvin's brother.

1/9, 10:58am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Hey, I'm Sean.

1/9, 10:58am
Kevin Armitage
Hello
we talked a bit yesterday
I am wanting some grey knights painted.

1/9, 10:59am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yes I was confused your brother told me near the end that I spoke to both of you.

1/9, 11:00am
Kevin Armitage
Haha sorry about that.
He has the space wolves.
I play tyranids and grey knights

1/9, 11:00am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
No that's fine

1/9, 11:01am
Kevin Armitage
But yeah
I definitely want my grey knight painted.

1/9, 11:01am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
We're you guys looking at getting that that voucher

1/9, 11:02am
Kevin Armitage
Probably.
Make the most sense
could we both use it?

1/9, 11:02am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea of coarse

1/9, 11:03am
Kevin Armitage
Well
before I agree to anything
I would want you to do one razorback for me as a test piece
and send it back
I would of course pay for this

1/9, 11:04am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
At which quality level?

1/9, 11:05am
Kevin Armitage
Your highesT?
$40 per rhino I believe it was?

1/9, 11:06am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Highest was $80

1/9, 11:06am
Kevin Armitage
ahh

1/9, 11:06am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Hey, how are you? Pricing for quality from lowest to highest Marine - $3, $6, $12, $24 Terminator - $5, $8, $16, $28 Rhino - $10, $20, $40, $80
All pricing includes priming, base coating & painting plus free magnetization, and basing at level 1 basing quality.

1/9, 11:06am
Kevin Armitage
Well I believe you quoted it at $900 for the project
ahh ok
well I would be doing the $40 range

1/9, 11:07am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Okok. So is there any info you need.

1/9, 11:07am
Kevin Armitage
Just a shipping address, and how long a turn around is for one model
well actually
how much credit did my borther have left?
from his highelves?

1/9, 11:09am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Oh I will finish it in less then a day if I like. Now are you going to ship with your brothers stuff?

1/9, 11:09am
Kevin Armitage
and most likely yes

1/9, 11:10am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Actually I think it was 42
$42

1/9, 11:10am
Kevin Armitage
Can i use that?

1/9, 11:13am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea as explain be for you can only use 50% so total would be $20 now if ur shipping with ur brother it will be like an extra $2 shipping as opposed to full charge. Now that would mean I would have to finish your brothers stuff before sending back.

1/9, 11:13am
Kevin Armitage
I am fine with paying the $10 to have it back asap
so I dcan inspect
then decide on the rest of the army

1/9, 11:14am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Haha

1/9, 11:14am
Kevin Armitage
can*

1/9, 11:15am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Well what woukd you like me to send you an invoice and get this started

1/9, 11:15am
Kevin Armitage
Alright, but my cheque won't be in till Tuesday probably
so send my the invoice now
I will ship it with ym borthers stuff
and pay tuesday
don't start until I pay obviously
But you mihgt want to know

1/9, 11:16am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Oh yea that's right see I'm getting you too confused now lol

1/9, 11:16am
Kevin Armitage
I am not doing conventional grey knight color scheme

1/9, 11:16am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Well in the end I will have ur rhino

1/9, 11:17am
Kevin Armitage
I am getting my coteaz done similar to this scheme
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Oq5-z80ItD4/TxzfolvHoAI/AAAAAAAAAN8/bp2IE3c6kdM/s1600/Coteaz.png
and will use that scheme for the rest of the army

1/9, 11:18am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Nice I love it
I love painting blues and turquise

1/9, 11:18am
Kevin Armitage
Awesome.
So that is not hard for you or your painters to convert to a rhino scheme
?

1/9, 11:19am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Nono should be easy to figure out now is that how ur wanting this rhino.
Or are you talking about the next ones

1/9, 11:19am
Kevin Armitage
yep

1/9, 11:20am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
OK I'm going g to save that pic then

1/9, 11:20am
Kevin Armitage
I would want some high lights done similar to the color of the cape.
Now If I send you a model with a thin coat of silver paint
can you work with that?

1/9, 11:21am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea that's fine
Have you seem my chrome stuff

1/9, 11:21am
Kevin Armitage
That is what I will do

1/9, 11:21am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Seen

1/9, 11:21am
Kevin Armitage
I have a rhino with fw plates I want paint
well I have 2
one I tried to paint (lets just say I need to strip that one)
and one with a thin coat of silver.

1/9, 11:22am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Haha
Yea that's fine

1/9, 11:23am
Kevin Armitage
sweet
i'm excited now
I have 4 rhino on sprue and a couple that are bare

1/9, 11:23am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Haha

1/9, 11:23am
Kevin Armitage
I will get my 1500 list painted first
and go from there

1/9, 11:25am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
So I'll send that invoice over which will also be you receipt
Yo ship that out. My address will be on the invoice

1/9, 11:26am
Kevin Armitage
SOunds good. I need to find the rhino now lol
the top i will be sending

1/9, 11:26am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
As I told your brother, mark as say it's a gift and not to a business. It's cheaper for you to send

1/9, 11:27am
Kevin Armitage
will be a assault cannon.
I will be getting some non gw tops for all razorbacks eventually
but for testing purposes I send one of those

1/9, 11:29am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
OK perfect. That reminds me. enclose a little note with the rhino just with any special instructions weather details whatever. Sometime my messages pile up on fb

1/9, 11:48am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Which email should I send this too

1/9, 11:53am
Kevin Armitage
Armitage******@*****.com
January 9

1/9, 4:07pm
Kevin Armitage
Hello
I never gopt that invoice

1/9, 5:20pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Hey sorry, I was up all night. i finally fell asleep. I just sent it.

1/9, 6:34pm
Kevin Armitage
No worries. Thanks

1/9, 6:37pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
U get it?

1/9, 6:38pm
Kevin Armitage
Yes thanks.

1/9, 6:39pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Perfect

1/9, 6:40pm
Kevin Armitage
The tank was mailed our with my brother stuff today.

1/9, 6:40pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I can't wait to start gunna be a nice theme
Oh perfect he mentioned that venture one card
Should arrive very soon

1/9, 7:24pm
Kevin Armitage
January 15

1/15, 2:17am
Kevin Armitage
Hello

1/15, 2:17am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Hey what's up

1/15, 2:17am
Kevin Armitage
So for the razorback I was thinking the blue as the armor for the general tank:
With highlight like the armour
But thinner
Idk why to do with the plate and symbol. I can leave that up to you.

1/15, 2:18am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea I figure Nmm blue is basically our look

1/15, 2:19am
Kevin Armitage
Sweet sounds good to me.
A bit of weathering is ok. But don't want it over done, I trust your judgement

1/15, 2:24am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Perfect I have some nice rusting stuff
January 17

1/17, 11:12pm
Kevin Armitage
any progress on the tank?

1/17, 11:20pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
A little. I've cleaned it all uo basecoated. I'm just planning out the theme before I fully start. Tryna transfer from that model to the tank properly

1/17, 11:21pm
Kevin Armitage
Sweet

1/17, 11:21pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I've gotta plan out how I'm going to do it

1/17, 11:21pm
Kevin Armitage
I got a warhound Titan yesterday
It is painting to a preety good standard

1/17, 11:21pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Tanks and guys are painted differently so just bringing that look over doesn't work

1/17, 11:21pm
Kevin Armitage
but would like some more detail picked out

1/17, 11:21pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Highlighting different but they need to match

1/17, 11:21pm
Kevin Armitage
mind takign a look and suggesting a price
for more details picked out
basically from a level 3 to a lvl 4

1/17, 11:22pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Like which details it all depends

1/17, 11:23pm
Kevin Armitage
http://darkshard.ca/darkshard/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2291&sid=d3f5e370d1c4c67812941fd8d229a554
that is it
I want more highlightsing
etc

1/17, 11:24pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
So you want it painting in masterclass

1/17, 11:25pm
Kevin Armitage
yes but allot of the work is alrweady done

1/17, 11:26pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
What do you mean. We are repainting it or do you mean on a different tank
Lol sorry I had a long day

1/17, 11:27pm
Kevin Armitage
I mean adding to the current paint job

1/17, 11:29pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Oh okok I'm just at the store be back in like 20 mins I'll have a look see

1/17, 11:32pm
Kevin Armitage
ok

1/17, 11:32pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Just out satisfying my addiction to subway
Haha

1/17, 11:36pm
Kevin Armitage
haha
you earned it for all the work you doing

1/18, 12:02am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Haha thank u. I eat it everyday
Lmao
Literally I should be the next subway guy

1/18, 12:04am
Kevin Armitage
I love Sudbury
Subway*

1/18, 12:05am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Haha
It's good it's easy cheap and healthy
My sub is $5 I don't think I could make a dinner that size for $5

1/18, 12:06am
Kevin Armitage
Yep

1/18, 12:06am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Not to mention time is money

1/18, 12:06am
Kevin Armitage
and sweat onion sauce = boss

1/18, 12:06am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Haha never had it I just might have to

1/18, 12:08am
Kevin Armitage
its awesome
so yeah
I am getting a painting gk force
used I bought
so I am going to get you to paint all my inqusuition stuff
in that blue scheme

1/18, 12:09am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Perfect. It's nice to have local customers for once
I've had very few customers from canada

1/18, 12:09am
Kevin Armitage
then Ill get you to paint the gk models I ordered to add to my army I bought after

1/18, 12:10am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Awesome. Thank you

1/18, 12:10am
Kevin Armitage
I will porbably be using some of my bros credit
he owe me $$ haha

1/18, 12:10am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Haha sucker
He's at I think $410 in credit right now
OK so my regular price for a masterclass tank is $96 I can upgrade you for another $30 bringing you to $50 total
So I almost gave you half price
$4 under

1/18, 12:13am
Kevin Armitage
wait?
what tank are we talking about?
tehy tank you have
I just wanted paitning to our original deal
painted*
I am talking about up grading my titans current paint job

1/18, 12:14am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea you said you wanna upgrade to masterclass instead of showcase right?
Oh it said tank ur first message
Auto correct

1/18, 12:15am
Kevin Armitage
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/574190.page
those are the pics of the current paint job
nah
tanke at showcase is fine for me

1/18, 12:15am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Oh I was wondering y you sent a pi. Of a titan
Haha
Oh okok
So that there is ur titan.
Like ur exact model. That's ur pic
?
U know what you did say titan
U see what happens when I get tired haha

1/18, 12:28am
Kevin Armitage
Yeah
like I own that model
painted
that is the exact paint job

1/18, 12:30am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
OK I usually charge about $300 for a full titan job. I think it's safe to say $70 for the additional work should be fine. Mind you that's includes return shipping which will be fairly pricey on a model that size. Well not pricey but not $10 like the package you guys sent was probably double

1/18, 12:31am
Kevin Armitage
I will think about it
I am worried about just shipping the model haha
I paid $600 for it
would suck for it to break
although it is magentized at the waist

1/18, 12:33am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea I know those titans are ridiculously priced I wish I had that kind of mo ey right now

1/18, 12:33am
Kevin Armitage
andd the top plate come off

1/18, 12:33am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
On option would be to disassemble if you can I'll re assemble with magnets and then take apart
That's way it's not shipped built
Oh ok so we are half way there
Maybe see if you cab get those arms off safely
Can*

1/18, 12:35am
Kevin Armitage
I dont wanna test it
idc really
those are the 2 best options anyways

1/18, 12:43am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Haha
In the end if anything was to happen it couldn't be too bad anything can be fixed
Ppl make these titans out of cardboard if they can do that a plastic model can be fixed easily

1/18, 12:43am
Kevin Armitage
haha yeah
I might get my roommate to do it nto sure haha
I am not even sure if I want anything changed to it

1/18, 12:45am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Haha
That's another option to. Ur buddy wants to do some work for me. But in the end he's right there right

1/18, 12:46am
Kevin Armitage
I should get you into contact with him
you two could hash out some details

1/18, 12:47am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea forsure. It's just one of those things. There's very little work for me uo there

1/18, 12:47am
Kevin Armitage
yeah I understand

1/18, 12:47am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
U guys are only my like 4 canadian customers out of like 209

1/18, 12:48am
Kevin Armitage
we are you onyl client up here haha
and if we need him tpo paint stuff better to go directly to him

1/18, 12:48am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Really you are in that area
He rest are by me and the majority is american
And British

1/18, 12:48am
Kevin Armitage
nice
How much money do you make a month of profit average?

1/18, 12:48am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea that could work now if you guys game alot. Word of mouth goes a long way

1/18, 12:48am
Kevin Armitage
if you dont mind me asking for course

1/18, 12:49am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I don't really advertise in ontario to much I really should
100% profit almost paint cost me almost nothing

1/18, 12:49am
Kevin Armitage
I mean just of on convience sake allot of people would come to you
instead of having to ship out

1/18, 12:49am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I don't have a location or anything

1/18, 12:49am
Kevin Armitage
and risking paying customs on way back

1/18, 12:50am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Oh forsure I totally agree
Yea

1/18, 12:50am
Kevin Armitage
But one thing before you can get more clinetsa
I think more pictures are nneeded

1/18, 12:50am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Duty is terrible. But I make on average about 3000 a month

1/18, 12:50am
Kevin Armitage
i think once you have a biggerpicture base
you get allot more cleitns

1/18, 12:50am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea I know I need to get on that
I have so many that need editing I have to dig them out and get then up

1/18, 12:51am
Kevin Armitage
Might have to invest in a good camera

1/18, 12:51am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea I have a pretty good one now
I haven't used it for my models yet tho
13 mp hd camera

1/18, 12:51am
Kevin Armitage
nice
you need a light box set up
with a backdrop

1/18, 12:52am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Oh I do
The first picture I have have them

1/18, 12:53am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio


1/18, 12:53am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio

1/18, 12:53am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
See
That's with my old camera tho

1/18, 12:53am
Kevin Armitage
yep
with new camera be way better

1/18, 12:54am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea this was with a 10 year old Kodak easy share
Like 5 mp

1/18, 12:54am
Kevin Armitage
haha
for sure then

1/18, 12:54am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I think I may just my photographer buddy to do it
He charges $50 for 4 2 angle pics so 8 pics in total
He come snaps the shots edits them for me water marks them and everythijg
And he does so great work
See the thing is I'm building a new site aswell. Www.battlegrounds.port443.ca temp address. Sony don't really wanna waste so much time posting pics on the old one I will be switching in a few weeks
So its weird I'm kinda on a dead zone where I waste time working on the old on or finish up the new one
Working on the old one will only delay the new one right

1/18, 12:59am
Kevin Armitage
Ahh
well for your phothgrapher frined is a good idea
but i dont think you wanna pay $50 of photo for eveyt project
maybe some realy cool one for show your work

1/18, 1:00am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea I know what tho. At the same time those pics will bring in money aswell right
It's a gamble
And it wouldn't be per project he will take 8 pics for 50
So if I do 2 of each project I can get 4 projects out of $50
In that case it works out to like 12.50 a project
Early 12.50 actually
Exactly**
Which isn't that bad seeing as I will spend hours doing it myself

1/18, 1:05am
Kevin Armitage
That is true Tess
Yes*
January 19

1/19, 3:26pm
Kevin Armitage
Hello
January 20

1/20, 7:27pm
Kevin Armitage
Hello any progress?

1/20, 10:03pm
Kevin Armitage
You there?

1/21, 12:54am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Hey Kevin wats up
Yea I'm going to be snapping shots of alot of stuff tmw
January 21

1/21, 10:19am
Kevin Armitage
Hey you there?

1/21, 10:20am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Hey what's up

1/21, 10:21am
Kevin Armitage
I got the firstpart of my army in today, so I would love to send you mpore rhinos to paint.
The second part with all the servitors should be in in 2 weeks.

1/21, 10:22am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Nice. You waiting for them in the mail?

1/21, 10:22am
Kevin Armitage
yeah ordered them froma retialer in the states
paying 70% us prices
I like 60% canadian after shipping

1/21, 10:23am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Oh nice
I'm going to check them out

1/21, 10:23am
Kevin Armitage
**************
I think after shipping price
we paid 65% canadian value
and he has a way of beating customs
4 order so far and not one hit from customs

1/21, 10:24am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea you just say it's a repair
They don't charge for repairs
I just learned that

1/21, 10:24am
Kevin Armitage
nice

1/21, 10:25am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
My sister works at FedEx and she hadn't told me until 2 weeks ago

1/21, 10:26am
Kevin Armitage
nice
Man
you might have to inlist your painters soon
you seems to have ALLOT to do haha

1/21, 10:27am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Aww sorta it's my full time job so I have all day right
If anymore comes in yea probably.

1/21, 10:33am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
So are these the rhinos we quoted out b4 hand

1/21, 10:33am
Kevin Armitage
yeah
the ones for the servitors\
I will build them before I sgop them
to save you some times

1/21, 10:34am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yup
Cool and I'll send you some pics in the meantime

1/21, 10:34am
Kevin Armitage
I need to order the forgeworld doors for the rhinos
and the assault cannon top aswell
I send you two tops right?
the rhino and the razorback?

1/21, 10:36am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yup I have the heavy bolters turret and the red one

1/21, 10:37am
Kevin Armitage
sweet
the assault cannon turrent
soo anooying that they don't include those in the razorback boxes
have to etiher buying out of market ones
or kit bash

1/21, 10:38am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I think gw should have a bits section in there store or just online
It's a huge market and it leads to people buying elsewhere

1/21, 10:39am
Kevin Armitage
yeah

1/21, 12:13pm
Kevin Armitage
Hey
interested in this as a trade in?
4x Scout Bikes (Bare Assembled) 1x SM Codex (Newest Great Condition) 1x Land Speeder Storm (Primed White) 66x Scouts (painted metal and plastic) - 21x Snipers - 3x Missile - 3x Heavy Bolter - 1x Plasma - 12x Bolter - 26x CCW 1x Helion (Metal painted)

1/21, 12:14pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Wow 66 scouts haha
Yea I would be I always am
What are you looking for ?

1/21, 12:19pm
Kevin Armitage
sshoot me an offer

1/21, 12:20pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
OK gimme a few mins to work it out
Do you have a pic of the helion
Well I guess the painted stuff not just the helion

1/21, 12:27pm
Kevin Armitage
huh?
its is not good
there are 5 snipers and 5 ccw painted good
rest are a pretty bad came scheme
but can esaily be painted over
or stripped
as the paitn is not thick
camo*

1/21, 12:30pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Okok
That's good enough I don't need picks

1/21, 12:38pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio

1/21, 12:39pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
And you meant telion right not helion they both exsist
Lol

1/21, 12:39pm
Kevin Armitage
yes telion

1/21, 12:42pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I can give you $100 credit for that stuff

1/21, 12:44pm
Kevin Armitage
yeah, I will try an sell it else where
thanks though

1/21, 12:45pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea no problem it's just used value isn't that high especially when there places out there that sell brand new at 60% retail that makes used worth like 30% and I have ti get something aswell

1/21, 12:47pm
Kevin Armitage
I understand no worries
January 21

1/21, 11:50pm
Kevin Armitage
Hey hows it going?
January 22

1/22, 7:33pm
Kevin Armitage
hey you there?
January 23

1/23, 11:25am
Kevin Armitage
Hey you there?
January 24

1/24, 5:28am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
What's up

1/24, 7:53am
Kevin Armitage
Just wondering if you got a chance to snap some pics yet.
January 24

1/24, 8:08pm
Kevin Armitage
If not no worries
January 25

1/25, 7:54pm
Kevin Armitage
Hey
January 29

1/29, 3:30pm
Kevin Armitage
Hello any updates on our projects I got the other rhino waiting.
January 30

1/30, 8:12am
Kevin Armitage
Hey for reference, here is my completed coteaz, try and have the tank match this please.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/denofimagination/sets/72157640314481275/
February 3

2/3, 2:21pm
Kevin Armitage
Hey man I'm still waiting on a status update, let me know pleas!

2/3, 4:49pm
Kevin Armitage
?
February 4

2/4, 4:49pm
Kevin Armitage
Hey let me know whats up please, haven't had a response in a while.
February 6

2/6, 3:52am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
hey buddy sorry just been super busy. Been dealing with some bs from some pretty rude forum people. slandering my name.
February 6

2/6, 7:42am
Kevin Armitage
Ahh, that sucks. But yeah any expected time on my brother and my models?

2/6, 7:50am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Next few days
I'll get you some pics

2/6, 7:56am
Kevin Armitage
ok thanks!

2/6, 7:58am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Hey if you guys are on youtube you should subscribe
February 6

2/6, 11:59am
Kevin Armitage
SOrry i do not.
Febrary 14

2/14, 3:22pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Hey Kevin I sent your bro pics of his stuff yours I need paints for so if you wouldn't mind removing that hold. Citadel paints don't do the job. I need a diff brand of paint to match that color.

2/14, 5:05pm
Kevin Armitage
Here is the problem if I remove the hold I can't put it on again, you have given me 0 reason to trsut you. You said you had part of mine done already it is obvious now you haven;t even started.

2/14, 6:09pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea I have clearly I said I've tried a few combinations of colors and nothing you have matches right
An airbrush goes on super thin so it leaves room to do a few coats
February 21

2/21, 11:05pm
Kevin Armitage
Hey you there?
Its about the paypal money
February 25

2/25, 2:31pm
Kevin Armitage
Hey you there, let me know when you get this.
February 26

2/26, 4:20pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Hey
omg finally

2/26, 4:20pm
Kevin Armitage
How's my tank coming?

2/26, 4:20pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I couldnt message you ive tried like 15 times. I told your brother to let you know

2/26, 4:21pm
Kevin Armitage
Ahh
2/26, 4:21pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Coming along. I was trying to upload a video last night but im having problems with my phone now
Its giving me a time of 41564 minutes to upload

2/26, 4:22pm
Kevin Armitage
Ok, how long do you think realistically.

2/26, 4:22pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
that like a year i think
right now its saying 1451 mins at 11%
:{
Ill be finished both of your things any day now
I promised your brother I wouldnt touch anyone elses until you guys are done

2/26, 4:24pm
Kevin Armitage
Good I need 5 more tanks done/
Once I receive that back

2/26, 4:26pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
well im glad you guys arent mad

2/26, 4:27pm
Kevin Armitage
We are pretty easy going, just don't like being ignored.

2/26, 4:27pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I know I quoted less time but there were alot of surprises with these projects
Yea i understand that. Like I was telling ur bro. It just an awkward stage in business Im really busy but not busy enough for full time help. And sending pics to every customer everyday takes alot of time
as quotes and questions and post office drop offs
theres alot to do. for me im at that point where i need to either get more business to hire more fulltime help or charge more
I would like to keep costs down. Another commission artist messaged me and told me he doesnt even know how I pull off charging as low as I do

2/26, 4:31pm
Kevin Armitage
It all depends on the speed you can paint.

2/26, 4:32pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
well not entirely in order to keep a busines like this you need to layer your projects
ts impossible to just have one
you would have to charge way to much to have one at a time
I painted all ur stuff in a week. I would have to charge you and ur bro at least $800
well lets say at least $600
if you were my only project for the week that is
and remember this is comparing to regular jobs so that doesnt count saturday and sunday and thats 8-10 hours a day
you do have to be fast to or even layering doesnt work
of coarse thats a factor bbut thats how it goes you gotta remember ur paying for a persons time so in order for it to be cheaper then a weeks wage for you there needs to be other projects

2/26, 5:28pm
Kevin Armitage
So you thinking shipped Friday?

2/26, 5:53pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
If not shipping Monday. Isn't shipping Friday almost pointless
I think it's better off here. If I bring it Friday it won't move til Monday anyway. It will just be in transit longer
I don't like the mail they are reckless

2/26, 5:54pm
Kevin Armitage
Ok monday is good. Any chance i can just get a pic of the rhino?

2/26, 5:55pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea I'm having issues with my phone and Internet it's insane I'm. Still trying to upload ur video

2/26, 5:56pm
Kevin Armitage
I just want a pic although video would be nice
just text me it

2/26, 5:56pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I have a few things uploading but still

2/26, 5:56pm
Kevin Armitage
(***) *** - ****

2/26, 5:57pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
No that's what I'm saying it's not working. I guess I should explain. For Internet I use my.phones hot spot
I'm with mobilicity and I have unlimited data

2/26, 5:57pm
Kevin Armitage
ahh, but texting doesnt use the internet
just a picture text

2/26, 5:57pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
But not I'm seeing why I get unlimited for 40 a month
No I know my service is being weird

2/26, 5:58pm
Kevin Armitage
ahh ok
well llet me know when you can please, I would like to see progess

2/26, 6:00pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I have a few different videos uploading one for u. But it's doesn't usually do this even when I upload multiple. And way a few are almost done hopefully it will upload urs fast after that

2/26, 6:01pm
Kevin Armitage
ok thanks!

2/26, 6:01pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I've tried everything reset my phone the computer. I called mobilicity and they apparently reset my . signal

2/26, 6:01pm
Kevin Armitage
weird

2/26, 6:01pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Well I've heard about people having this problem I just never did
Probably depends on where you live but I was happy with them until today
Now I know why I get unlimited everything for $40 a month

2/26, 6:02pm
Kevin Armitage
ahh

2/26, 6:03pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
My new websites spam filters even block mobilicity ip addresses
To many people on one address

2/26, 6:03pm
Kevin Armitage
that sucks, maybe get a wired line in your home?

2/26, 6:04pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea unfortunately money is tight
But something weird was going on I couldn't message you for a week almost

2/26, 6:05pm
Kevin Armitage
yeah that werid
February 27

2/27, 1:03pm
Kevin Armitage
hows that video coming along?

2/27, 1:09pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Still uploading
I'm so angry right now

2/27, 1:09pm
Kevin Armitage
ahh ok, whats its %?
why?
\internet problems?

2/27, 1:10pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Like 2000 minutes it says
I could barely load this convo
24%
Lmao

2/27, 1:10pm
Kevin Armitage
lol, just send me a pic on my phone

2/27, 1:10pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
2000 minutes can't be right tho

2/27, 1:10pm
Kevin Armitage
as soon as I see something I will cancel the paypal dispute

2/27, 1:11pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea ima try. Like I said it my phone not my Internet. I use my phones hot spot as my Internet so that y my Internet acting up

2/27, 1:12pm
Kevin Armitage
ok well my cell is 7055623323
send the picture of video
and |I will cancal dispute

2/27, 1:12pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
My serve provider needs to do something with my phone but I need to call them from another phone to do so first.
I don't have another phone so I have to go somewhere hopefully get this figured out

2/27, 1:14pm
Kevin Armitage
Ahh, well let me know

2/27, 1:15pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea I want these videos to upload. It's not cool I do a weekly review of White Dwarf and I got it a little early.tbis week I wanted to be the first one to upload a review on it
There's a few other guys that do it weekly aswell
And they always beat me by hours

2/27, 1:16pm
Kevin Armitage
ahh
ahh
how my brother's stuff looking?

2/27, 1:20pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Looking good I'm uploading a video for that too

2/27, 1:20pm
Kevin Armitage
nice
March 2

3/2, 10:51am
Kevin Armitage
Hey I need to see a pic toda, or I have to upgrade the paypal dispute to a claim it the last day I can do it.

3/2, 11:04am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea everything's uploading

3/2, 11:04am
Kevin Armitage
ahh send me the link please

3/2, 11:04am
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
And juat so you know once it's a dispute papal will automatically refund me the money as I'm listed as a service with them
They don't insure aervices
Yup will do for sure you dunno if you seen I finally got some videos uo
Took 4 days to upload haha

3/2, 12:04pm
Kevin Armitage
ok well let me know, thanks!
March 4

3/4, 12:19am
Kevin Armitage
hey
so todasy is the last day
is the video up yet?

3/4, 1:47am
Kevin Armitage
You know what I will just let it end, I am lookng forward to the model
March 4

3/4, 12:39pm
Kevin Armitage
Hey you said you would ship, please provide pictures.
March 5

3/5, 12:53am
Kevin Armitage
did you get them shipped?
March 6

3/6, 10:13am
Kevin Armitage
the video of my tank upload yet?
March 7

3/7, 11:35pm
Kevin Armitage
Hey did you get them shipped, because I am truly getting annoyed at this point, i don't want to have to use my reputation on the many gaming forums I post on to warn people about you, but this is getting ridiculous. Let me know ASAP.
March 13

3/13, 5:33pm
Kevin Armitage
Hey where is my tank man, this is low just straight up ripping us off. Considering your online reputation out the door unless to fix this issue soon..

3/13, 5:43pm
Kevin Armitage
WHy would you just rip me off man, how is that good buisness, heck even morally how is that fine?

3/13, 5:43pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Urs is being sent separately cuz it's being finished ur brother said he couldn't wait anymore so I sent them out.
Stop assuming goddamn
No one's getting ripped off you guys can in and expected to be put ahead of ever customer I had
I did what I could unfortunately it didn't work out

3/13, 5:45pm
Kevin Armitage
SO send him his High elves back then
you don't just send a unpainted army back and keep the payment...

3/13, 5:46pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
The high elves are gone obvious lyrics you can't sell something to a store and expect it to be there months later
And I didn't expect to keep the money in was just worrying about getting Irvin his models
So you guys have credit there's nothing that can be done about that. It's like selling to cash converters. They won't have yr stuff months layer after you sold it to them.
Just calm down relax. And send me stuff when you guys aren't in a super rush to get it back for a tournament. If I knew about that tournament from day 1 this could have been avoided right

3/13, 5:53pm
Kevin Armitage
So you giving irvin the money from High Elves?

3/13, 5:55pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
It doesn't work like that. There's no refunds on traded or deposits. How could I give him the mo ey everything g was sold for a profit
If I provided refund then you could just cancel a project whenever you want and I get screwed
Y not just commission me stuff and wait til the last week and cancel. It can't work like that or people woukd take advantage

3/13, 6:03pm
Kevin Armitage
So what, you send him unpaitned models, and keep the payment, he just gets screwed?

3/13, 6:04pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
No he has his models he can enjoy his tournament and decide what he's doing
Kevin you guys asked for them to be returned in any condition m maybe not ur words but they came out of Irvin mouth

3/13, 6:05pm
Kevin Armitage
You said 2 weeks man, 2 weeks.

3/13, 6:05pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
So I did. All I can say is I listened to his exact request

3/13, 6:05pm
Kevin Armitage
Ill let you talk with Irvin
when will I get my PAINTED tank?

3/13, 6:06pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Urs is basically done I was just tryna finish his uo and then he said send them in any condition. So I did.
I'll send ur out. I'll m covering shipping on it of coarse.

3/13, 6:07pm
Kevin Armitage
ok please send it out ASAP, I can tell you Irvin will not be happy

3/13, 6:08pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I know he is not but all I'm doing is listening to him for once you know
Things got screwed up things got extended and I didn't know about the tournament
I do feel terrible he missed it
I wish I knew from the start. Cuz unfortunately delays happen in this industry if I knew it was do or die for him I would have pulled some strictly gs when I still had time. But I found out about his tournament like 4 days b4 the tournament

3/13, 6:22pm
Kevin Armitage
This is Irvin, now listen here.
you lied straight out not only did you say 6 times you will have out on a specific date you also said thy were done.
3 times you said they were done andyou were shipping them out.
I said send them back asap under the impression they just needed finishing touches as you said.Not whole unpainted models.
I have proof of you lieing multiple times to me, it seems you can not stand to tell the truth at all. What a shady business.
Now I am screwed out of the HE, I got unpainted modesl and will have to pay somone to finish the models.
What you did is straight out lie there is no other way around it stop giving this bs about being rushed or anything like that

3/13, 6:26pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Ur nit screwed Noone took away ur credit

3/13, 6:26pm
Kevin Armitage
Now how will you fix this, I am no sending you these models so you can have them for 6 weeks to paint 25% of the model. I will keep this horrible experience between us.
Your credit mean nothing. I will not ever commision you again.

3/13, 6:27pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
U still have that just calm down and I'll clear out some.projects so I can devote more time.to urs and I'll pay shipping back and we will get then painted in a timely fashion

3/13, 6:27pm
Kevin Armitage
You can keep your spreadsheet i worked over 40 hours on.
NO! You lied far to many times.
I diligently finsihed those sheets got them to every specification you needed. And you cant even give me the comon courtesy to tell me the truth. All these B.s. excuses.

3/13, 6:28pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
OK well what do you want then you don't want the credit then what can I do.
I just said we will get them in and have them finished and that's it. U just said you needed them back. Saying needed I assumed you needed then for some event so I sent them.

3/13, 6:29pm
Kevin Armitage
I want a refund. I think it is more then merited.
No you said they were DONE!
not that they needed more time.

3/13, 6:31pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
At the point you said to just send them in any condition all I had replied was yes I had never started anything then you said did you send them in said yes here's the tracking.

3/13, 6:31pm
Kevin Armitage
You said your self they were done just need finsihing touches.
You denying this?
I have 2 other texts with you saying they were done and you gonna ship them out that day.
Need proof?

3/13, 6:32pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yes I was supposed to be done things happen
That's what I'm saying

3/13, 6:32pm
Kevin Armitage
Why lie then?

3/13, 6:32pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Like I said I have other projects aswell not just urs and I can't only have urs like you said or I woukd have had to charge you like a grand
It's not a lie it's informing on my schedule which can change at anytime

3/13, 6:33pm
Kevin Armitage
Ooo another lie. You said youself my project will be the only one you focus on to get it out.

3/13, 6:33pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
It's what I had planned
Yea but I still have stuff to sent out and alot if other business stuff to do
I don't get to paint all day everyday

3/13, 6:34pm
Kevin Armitage
Listen you have a choice evidently I will not be ever commissioning you again, I lost all of my time I put into the sheets.

3/13, 6:34pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
And all the customers that email that don't play 40k quotes take forever like there so much more behind the scenes that you don't see

3/13, 6:35pm
Kevin Armitage
You can either refund me, or I will press charges. And use all the option available for me to make sure you never get a comission again.

3/13, 6:36pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
U can't press charges you know a refund isn't a right. You know that right. I can't offer a refund or people woukd just abuse it there's deposits set for a reason

3/13, 6:36pm
Kevin Armitage
Becuase what you did is lie to me on multipe times I have proof of each text and what not. And that is not legit

3/13, 6:36pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
And ur stuff that you sold me is sold. I told you how we can work this out but you wont listen and I'm not gunna argue anymore this is ridiculous

3/13, 6:37pm
Kevin Armitage
Then pay me the 200$

3/13, 6:37pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I'm obligated to show you pics I did I can send you one pic ever 3 days and that's it

3/13, 6:37pm
Kevin Armitage
Fal;se you lied multiple times about pics and videos
So it is screw me right? I am out?

3/13, 6:37pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I sent you pics did I not
Ur screwing urself man

3/13, 6:38pm
Kevin Armitage
You sent me pics a total of 3 times, and 1 vedios
Would you like a count of how many times you told me you would?
I would be more then happy.

3/13, 6:38pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
So its not against the law to tell you I have some pics for you

3/13, 6:39pm
Kevin Armitage
There is also small claims courty.

3/13, 6:40pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yea and there is no law saying I have to provide refunds
Look it uo a refund is a privilege not a right

3/13, 6:40pm
Kevin Armitage
So you just being a dick about it?

3/13, 6:40pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
So stop harassing me I told you how this can work but you continue ti try to make this harder
No I already told you I'll pay to have ur stuff back here

3/13, 6:41pm
Kevin Armitage
Your not listening you dont know how to run a business, you evidently dont care about how your customers feel and on top of this you dont care that you lie.

3/13, 6:42pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
When ur c all I assumed you had another tournament that's why you said you needed them asap
Again
I sent them so you wouldn't miss anything you needed them for with the intent to pay to have them back aswell as ur bros tank I'm sending separately and am paying separate shipping back
Thats a joke. Ive given away 1000 commission b4. No I do care I just can't do much about this situation.

3/13, 6:43pm
Kevin Armitage
So you are obviously not goona help me in any way that I would like.

3/13, 6:43pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
I gave the customer b4 you $400 off his commission.
Well n I wish I could but I don't do returns

3/13, 6:44pm
Kevin Armitage
This is past the point of a discount. You dont seem to understand that, you have not even adressed the issues you lies to me on multiple occasion you are avoidng it.
I will pay out of my pocket my hard earned money to get them paiunted.

3/13, 6:45pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
No n I mos communicated I thought was Gunna be at certain points when I said that stuff. I assumed and then got delayed making me incorrect

3/13, 6:46pm
Kevin Armitage
And you can take your money you earned through selling my models and not finsihng my project.

3/13, 6:46pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
And again ur punishing urswlf5
Urself
Whatever Irvin I offered all I can

3/13, 6:46pm
Kevin Armitage
Let me get this straight I will never send you a model of mine to paint again.
And will do what ever in my power to make sure anyone else does.

3/13, 6:47pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
No one took away ur credit you took away ur own credit and ur punishing urself

3/13, 6:47pm
Kevin Armitage
Have a good day, learn how to run a business or go back to fast food.

3/13, 6:47pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Ur making this not work anymore

3/13, 6:47pm
Kevin Armitage
Nagh I got a credit ith you still
peace.

3/13, 6:48pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Lmao ok Irvin
I offered to pay to return then to get them finished and I'm also paying for ur brother separately. Remember he didn't pay me shipping
I've tried all I can to fix this. There's no returns on selling used goods like it woukd be if you sold ti cash converters. That's how the system works
And all you expect I'd everything back leaving any work I've already done useless
Now I'll keep your credit active til the end of this week cool off and message me back when ur ready to talk

3/13, 6:54pm
Kevin Armitage
What credit, for these models
or the $350 I had from the spreadsheets

3/13, 6:55pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
The $350
U just said ur done so I dunno what to think
Tell me what you want once you have calmed down
March 14

3/14, 10:06am
Kevin Armitage
So I can send these model back you will finish them and I still will have my $350 credfit?

3/14, 12:52pm
Battlegrounds Wargaming - Painting & Modeling Studio
Yes of course. I just figured you need the models and I didn't wanna make you miss another tournament
March 20

3/20, 1:49am
Kevin Armitage
Hey hows the tank coming, the honest truth please.
March 21

3/21, 10:19pm
Kevin Armitage
hey whats up?
Thursday

4/3, 1:54pm
Kevin Armitage
Hows my tank coming?

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From memory he was on dakka posting a while ago, and he seemed pretty sketchy from the get go

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Well hopefully anyone else on this forum thinking of doing business with him will read this first.
   
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orkybenji wrote:
What's with all the dirtbags in wargaming?


My question is why don't the people these guys cheat get together, put all the cost of money and miniatures that have been bilked into a huge case and turn it over to the tender mercies of the courts. One person might have a small claims case. Many together could maybe have a felony fraud thing going.
   
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You may want to contact his sponsors and let them know what's going on. There's no sense in them having their names associated with him.
   
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I figured that is what this post would do. The moderator commented so the guys who run Dakka must know about this person. Twinner did Sean ever try to tell you his Internet was down. That is the excuse I have been getting for the past two months. I don't want to say it's untrue, but it is a little hard to believe a businesses Internet could go down for two months and never be fixed. As a small business owner I can say that if this happened to me I would be intent on getting this fixed before this much time passed.
   
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mbutler132000 wrote:
I figured that is what this post would do. The moderator commented so the guys who run Dakka must know about this person. Twinner did Sean ever try to tell you his Internet was down. That is the excuse I have been getting for the past two months. I don't want to say it's untrue, but it is a little hard to believe a businesses Internet could go down for two months and never be fixed. As a small business owner I can say that if this happened to me I would be intent on getting this fixed before this much time passed.


He's lied/misled about so much already that I'm sure the Interwbes being broken is probably also BS. I wonder if he's got Mandelbaum blood in him? He sounds like he could be a cousin....

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mbutler132000 wrote:
I figured that is what this post would do. The moderator commented so the guys who run Dakka must know about this person. Twinner did Sean ever try to tell you his Internet was down. That is the excuse I have been getting for the past two months. I don't want to say it's untrue, but it is a little hard to believe a businesses Internet could go down for two months and never be fixed. As a small business owner I can say that if this happened to me I would be intent on getting this fixed before this much time passed.


According to my facebook messages, he can't afford real internet so uses his phone for internet.

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Twinner what number did you call to get a hold of him. The number on his website 1-855-712-1447 says it cannot be completed as dialed.
   
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Wow, this guy sounds like an ass hat. Some one needs to tell the sponsors ASAP.

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His constant excuses for not giving a legitimate answer to your simple questions is indicative that he has no intention of resolving the issue. Has anyone contacted his sponsors?

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 Darth Bob wrote:
His constant excuses for not giving a legitimate answer to your simple questions is indicative that he has no intention of resolving the issue. Has anyone contacted his sponsors?


I just sent an e-mail to all three.

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Sorry, I don't do a whole lot on this site other than trades. Not sure what is meant by sponsor. Also, in our last conversation he said he was working on my models now. I informed him I would let everyone here know what happens from here on in. That way he will either be down to follow through on his deal, allbeit very tardy, or will be shown to be a business to avoid. I believe this is the most fair way to do it.
   
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I have also had dealings with Sean. I shipped him my models back and they were received 9/5/13. I have still yet to see any proof positive that any work has been done on my commission, which was paid in full. I will follow this thread and update with any changes/updates to the status.
   
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Quick update on this one. I've tried to contact this person via Twitter and email and received no response as of yet.
   
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I have been messaging one of his sponsors. He has removed the list of sponsors from his sites. Here is the last message I received from the sponsor I have been messaging. This is the FLGS he frequents.

He mentioned his internet is down and asked me how to respond. I offered to have him come to the store and use the internet here and to do whatever the customer wants to MAKE IT RIGHT! Awaiting his response. While awaiting his response another of his customers' called me with a similar issue. I asked him to remove us from his website, he has done this but has yet to respond. I'll let you know should he do so. Best regards; David

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Update to a conversation I had with the owner of Battlefield Wargamming

Last time I heard from Sean was 04/05/2014

Via Twitter
Today
5:06 PM Me: As I understand it you are now able to use the Internet at a LGS. So I presume I will receive an update soon.

5:13 PM Sean: What's an LGS

5:28 PM Me: Local gaming store. One of the guys from the forum said he spoke with a sponsor of yours and was told this.

5:31 PM Sean: Well unfortunately they are not my partner anymore. I believe he said you called him. Which is what did it

5:32 PM Sean: Not a big deal I was planning on ending it soon anyway due to a move but still

5:33 PM Me: Wasn't me that called. You said two weeks ago you were just about finished with my models. Are they ready?

6:25 PM Me: Can I get an answer?

It is now 10:28PM here and I have heard nothing.

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Has anyone tried pressing legal charges on him yet? Sounds like a classic fraud to me.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
Has anyone tried pressing legal charges on him yet? Sounds like a classic freud to me.


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My latest email sent on 4/24/14. Have not heard from him sine 4/6/14.

"This is becoming more and more obvious you have no intentions of doing the work I paid for. I would like for you to return models I sent, all of them, as well as the money I paid. You tell me you are a legitimate business yet you have done nothing legitimate since we started this whole deal. Neither I nor any of your other paying customers can do anything about your internet problems, that's an issue you need to learn to fix on your own if you want to own a business. My client don't care if I have issues that hinder me from doing the work they paid for, they just want the work done and I find a way to do it. Nothing you have told me has been true. You have missed half a dozen deadlines you set up, I've never received a valid update on any work you claim you have completed, and your communications is a joke. You want my advice, find as place with Wi-Fi, I don't care if it is a coffee shop or donut shop or whatever. Go there everyday and respond to the customers who have entrusted you with their money and product. I made that post on Dakka and instead of being a good business person and seeing it as an opportunity to show potential customers you can deal with adversity in your business you just complain about you have lost money over it. Clearly you are not capable of completing the work you have taken on this far and so you should not be getting any new customers. If you were so concerned with your reputation you should have made things right with the customers you mislead, the fact you did not but just continued to whine about how everything is hard for you just proves you do not care about this business and are unable to run it. I will post this email on Dakka as I said I would post all communications between you and I from now on. If you actually think you have any defense in this matter you can respond to this email or on Dakka. If you respond to this email I will post any response on the forum. Hopefully not too many more people will actually pay to have work completed by your business."
   
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I have finally decided it is a lost cause. Next time I am in Toronto (3 hours away), I might try and meet him face to face, nothing threatening, hopefully I could inspire him to release the models back to their owners. The sad part is, is he had the skill to be a successful business. He had a beautiful websites, he had everything going for him. What a waste.

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That is the one reason I don't think the intentions of him were to steal the models and money in the first place. Don't really see someone going through that much work on a website, business, example models just to screw a few people out of their miniatures. I think it is now a case of someone who has no idea how to run a business started something up they thought would be fun and is in way over their head. I'm not going to just let it go though, otherwise I will have to just write off the fact he had taken a significant amount of money from me. Hopefully it will just become so annoying he decides is not worth it.
   
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Looks like his website has been taken down.
   
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mbutler132000 wrote:
That is the one reason I don't think the intentions of him were to steal the models and money in the first place. Don't really see someone going through that much work on a website, business, example models just to screw a few people out of their miniatures. I think it is now a case of someone who has no idea how to run a business started something up they thought would be fun and is in way over their head. I'm not going to just let it go though, otherwise I will have to just write off the fact he had taken a significant amount of money from me. Hopefully it will just become so annoying he decides is not worth it.


Daniel Mandelbaum would disagree.

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