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2006/04/23 11:58:30
Subject: "fire on my position!"
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Fixture of Dakka
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okay, my thinking is it would work like a single preliminary bombardment, during your opponent's assault phase. as his 10 assault marines(or whatever) are about to pounce on your poor I.G. command squad, the officer calls a bombardment in on his position once the enemy is in BTB, use the pie plate and place it over the officer and roll for scatter as normal. for points cost i'd say 25. my thinking is in this situation, the command squad is dead anyway. this way he has a(greater)chance to take a few of them with him. it'll cause an opponent to think twice before commiting his Termie squad to assault that command squad. and it's not over balanced, you could still shoot them to pieces. okay, have at it.
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"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
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2006/04/24 03:48:02
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Widowmaker
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Include a Ld test for the officer with some serious negative penalties. Maybe if the command squad is charged and loses the combat, the officer with the wargear survives, and the leadership check is passed to stay locked in combat.
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2006/04/24 04:04:33
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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This would be fairly realistic. After all, what would modern combat be without a few screams into the artillery commander's comm-link for a self-bombardment? Does the term "Broken Arrow" ring a bell?
CK
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person, who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stuart Mill
Black Templars (8000), Imperial Guard (3000), Sanguinary Host (2000), Tau Empire (1850), Bloodaxes (3000) |
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2006/04/24 04:55:55
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Fixture of Dakka
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"Maybe if the command squad is charged and loses the combat, the officer with the wargear survives, and the leadership check is passed to stay locked in combat. "
moz: i don't follow? if the wargear goes off like i pictured, there won't be to much left to be locked in HTH. the bombardment would happen before the HTH took place.
CK: exactly!
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"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
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2006/04/24 09:02:47
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Widowmaker
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I'm just saying there should be some kind of 'testicular fortitude test' for the officer to make the call.
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2006/04/24 10:12:43
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Posted By Corpsman_of_Krieg on 04/24/2006 9:04 AM This would be fairly realistic. After all, what would modern combat be without a few screams into the artillery commander's comm-link for a self-bombardment? Does the term "Broken Arrow" ring a bell?
CK
Broken Arrow is the wrong term. That's for nuclear weapons. (Plus it was a bad movie) I think Mel Gibson's orders in "We Were Soldiers" is more appropriate. I think he said "Commanche". I like the idea, but it would have to be limited to specific armies (like IG) and specific characters. Not just Vet Sgts (for example) or Lts. Or it could be an Only One Per Army wargear. -Jmz
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2006/04/24 11:43:13
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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Actually, any 2nd Lt. with an RC-10 (radio) in World War II could be the bringer of screaming death from up to 100, 155mm howitzers and self-propelled guns, given the target's importance and threat level. As for the military term, I cannot verify at the moment. I'll find out tomorrow when I can put together a coherent sentence.
CK
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person, who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stuart Mill
Black Templars (8000), Imperial Guard (3000), Sanguinary Host (2000), Tau Empire (1850), Bloodaxes (3000) |
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2006/04/25 02:25:45
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Regular Dakkanaut
Bucharest, Romania
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Well I can tell you with 100% certainty that the military term "Broken Arrow" has NOTHING to do with firing on someone's position. It deals with nuclear weapons. Beyond that I'm reluctant to go into it. And why do I know this? 9 years in the USAF with 4 dealing in nuclear weapons, plus 5 more dealing with operational reporting. So, trust me, I know a little about those terms.
Maybe in WWII a 2nd Lt could call in those kinds of strikes (although I doubt a 2nd Lt would be in such a situation). But for modern times.... I don't know. I doubt a 2nd Lt or even a 1st Lt would have that kind of authority. But I was never in the infantry, so I'd default to any Marine or Army groundpounder who knows more about that than I do.
Edit: But just in case you don't believe me, I found the terms on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_nuclear_incident_terminology -Jmz
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2006/04/25 15:29:17
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Fixture of Dakka
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well, whatever you call it, it sounded good on paper!
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"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
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2006/04/28 05:30:19
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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They already have this... it's called a special weapon squad with a demo charge.... and IF this were to be implement, which it won't.... because of armies like khorne that HAVE to charge the closest unit.... and because IG's roll is shooting.... if the enemy gets into combat with you, you're supposed to die..... but IF it were to be implement... it should cost MUCH more than 25+........ your little 40 point command squad taking this upgrade and taking out a 270 point assault squad is a little overwhelming.
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Angron- crushing the theme and fluff of armies one horde at a time.
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2006/04/28 05:31:20
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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The "fire on my position" that I would like to see would be the ability to shoot into combat.... any misses hitting your own troops.
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Angron- crushing the theme and fluff of armies one horde at a time.
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2006/04/28 13:56:15
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Fixture of Dakka
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"They already have this... it's called a special weapon squad with a demo charge.... "
which is great...for SWS...i'm talking about command squads...
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"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
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2006/04/28 18:50:35
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Regular Dakkanaut
Vancouver, Canada
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Or, why not just have rules for off table bombardment that requires something like a 2d6 scatter. Then any command squad that has a vox can bring the template on the officer with little or no chance of scatter like a d3 or something?
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-Death Wing
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2006/04/28 18:58:46
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Fixture of Dakka
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that, imho, would make it a little to powerful. i was thinking of limiting to 1 specific squad. like a piece of wargear that was limited to 1 per army, etc...
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"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
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2006/05/02 13:19:45
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Fresh-Faced New User
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"Final Protective Fire" is a wonderful thing. The radio code used to be "Repeat", hence this term is not used on Radio freqs. As for accuracy. Any arty or mortars teams should be able to hit within 10meters (30 feet) easily with pre-arranged grid references. There are many many tweeks that could be used to make it more realistic. Realistic?!?! Wait I don't want realism.
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2006/05/02 13:30:11
Subject: RE: "fire on my position!"
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Fixture of Dakka
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well i figure if you have an officer(Commissar) that's willing to execute a fellow officer( HSO, SO or JO) to boost morale, what's lobbing a pie plate at a whole command squad! especialy if you can take out a high points termie/assault squad ,too
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"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
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