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Didn't see this posted on here so here you go folks. Could be quite good I think.
Interestingly, they've not bothered with Hank Pym for Ant-Man for this film and instead gone for Scott Lang. The second guy to take up the mantle of Ant-Man. I think this is probably due to Hank Pym being an alcoholic-wife-beating jerk and Scott Lang's origin has a bit more of a tragic beginnings storyline.
In all likelihood, Scott Lang will be working for Stark Industries by the end of the film.
Slated for July 17th 2015 release.
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I'm pretty sure they've mentioned Pym is in the film, but has 'retired' as Ant-man and passes the mantle to Lang. I'm pretty certain the old guy that is talking to Lang is Pym.
As for what I think, I'm probably least excited about this of all the Marvel films, not because I don't think it'll be good but because I'm just not a fan of heist-type movies in general, which this purportedly is. I'm certain I'll still watch it, I just won't be bothering with a cinema viewing.
That has been Marvel's genius really. They are taking conventional "genre" movies and inserting super-heroes instead of making Superhero movies. That is why people are still going to them.
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Paradigm wrote: I'm pretty sure they've mentioned Pym is in the film, but has 'retired' as Ant-man and passes the mantle to Lang. I'm pretty certain the old guy that is talking to Lang is Pym.
As for what I think, I'm probably least excited about this of all the Marvel films, not because I don't think it'll be good but because I'm just not a fan of heist-type movies in general, which this purportedly is. I'm certain I'll still watch it, I just won't be bothering with a cinema viewing.
The old guy being Michael Douglas as Hank Pym.
On IMDB it's showing Darren Cross/Yellowjacket played by Corey Stoll and Hope Van Dyne played by Evangeline Lilly (not familiar with her character)
Easy E wrote:That has been Marvel's genius really. They are taking conventional "genre" movies and inserting super-heroes instead of making Superhero movies. That is why people are still going to them.
Yeah, it's certainly worked so far for them, and I'm sure Ant Man will be a great film because of that. Because let's face it, Ant-man on his own as a Super-hero doesn't have that much to work with without being part of a genre movie.
angelofvengeance wrote:Hope Van Dyne played by Evangeline Lilly (not familiar with her character)
At a guess, maybe Janet Van Dyne/Wasp's daughter (and therefore maybe Wasp herself?). Either way, she's a good actress, especially in the last Hobbit film, so I expect it to be a good character.
On a side now, I'm really hoping we get to see Scott Giant Man out at some point! (although in the comics that was always more Hank/Bill's thing)
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Just saw this, and I think I'm over any reservations I had, it looks great! Yellowjacket's suit design is epic, and the fight scenes look like they could be very fun indeed. Throw in some good dialogue and I'm hooked!
So wait... the villain in this movie is Ant-Man? Because Yellowjakcet was one of Hank Pym's many, many other attempts at superheroing. Will Giant Man be the villain in the sequel? Or will that villain be Hank Pym's reputation for spousal abuse?
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I hope it is. Two of the players at my Tuesday night Star Wars RPG game are mega-huge Ant Man fans. I mean, mega huge. They have had nothing but bad things to say about how the studio seems to be playing fast and loose with the established Ant Man canon. They (and I, as well) are perplexed at the decision to make Scott Lang (Ant Man mk 2) Ant Man, but still have Hank Pym in the movie (as a former Ant Man, no less). I get the "mentor" angle, I just don't get "why". The fan clamor to see Ant Man in a movie wasn't about seeing Scott Lang; people wanted Hank. So the studio gives them Scott, instead. Is that the studio being passive-aggressive? They give the fans an Ant Man movie, but not the Ant Man character they wanted to see?
I mean, I'm not an Ant-Man fan. I haven't got a dog in this fight. But it seems to me that the studio is making a lot of changes to the established canon for no reason other than: just because. I'd like to know the thought process behind those changes, because without knowing them, it looks like the studio is changing things to target imaginary audience demographics, which will sink a movie faster than a gakky script.
And I'm still waiting for my She-Hulk movie.
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I hope it is. Two of the players at my Tuesday night Star Wars RPG game are mega-huge Ant Man fans. I mean, mega huge. They have had nothing but bad things to say about how the studio seems to be playing fast and loose with the established Ant Man canon. They (and I, as well) are perplexed at the decision to make Scott Lang (Ant Man mk 2) Ant Man, but still have Hank Pym in the movie (as a former Ant Man, no less). I get the "mentor" angle, I just don't get "why". The fan clamor to see Ant Man in a movie wasn't about seeing Scott Lang; people wanted Hank. So the studio gives them Scott, instead. Is that the studio being passive-aggressive? They give the fans an Ant Man movie, but not the Ant Man character they wanted to see?
I mean, I'm not an Ant-Man fan. I haven't got a dog in this fight. But it seems to me that the studio is making a lot of changes to the established canon for no reason other than: just because. I'd like to know the thought process behind those changes, because without knowing them, it looks like the studio is changing things to target imaginary audience demographics, which will sink a movie faster than a gakky script.
And I'm still waiting for my She-Hulk movie.
I think it has something to do with Hank being an alcoholic wife-beater.
I think it has something to do with Hank being an alcoholic wife-beater.
It's kind of funny... the guy has more superhero identities than Fletch, but is his low self-esteem what he is most known for? Nope. He invents Ultron (and by extension, the Vision) but is that what he is most known for? Nope. He slapped Wasp once and that is his defining character trait.
Tony Stark is a much bigger alcoholic than Hank.
Mr. "Fantastic" is a much bigger spousal abuser than Hank.
But only Hank Pym is reviled for being an alcoholic wife abuser.
... the "domestic dispute" scene from the first Ultimates book didn't help, of course, but that is alternate continuity.
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I hope it is. Two of the players at my Tuesday night Star Wars RPG game are mega-huge Ant Man fans. I mean, mega huge. They have had nothing but bad things to say about how the studio seems to be playing fast and loose with the established Ant Man canon. They (and I, as well) are perplexed at the decision to make Scott Lang (Ant Man mk 2) Ant Man, but still have Hank Pym in the movie (as a former Ant Man, no less). I get the "mentor" angle, I just don't get "why". The fan clamor to see Ant Man in a movie wasn't about seeing Scott Lang; people wanted Hank. So the studio gives them Scott, instead. Is that the studio being passive-aggressive? They give the fans an Ant Man movie, but not the Ant Man character they wanted to see?
I mean, I'm not an Ant-Man fan. I haven't got a dog in this fight. But it seems to me that the studio is making a lot of changes to the established canon for no reason other than: just because. I'd like to know the thought process behind those changes, because without knowing them, it looks like the studio is changing things to target imaginary audience demographics, which will sink a movie faster than a gakky script.
And I'm still waiting for my She-Hulk movie.
At this point in time, there's not much point whining about "established canon" since comics are always changing stuff anyways lol. I mean, how many times have people's origin stories been messed about with?!
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That's because no one is an Ant-Man fan. Your friends that say they're Ant-Man fans... they aren't.
angelofvengeance wrote: At this point in time, there's not much point whining about "established canon" since comics are always changing stuff anyways lol. I mean, how many times have people's origin stories been messed about with?!
Agreed.
I've been a Marvel fan for 20 years and I couldn't care less about "established cannon." There have been so many insanely stupid and downright silly storylines (and origin stories) over the years that streamlining some of them into more coherent and approachable form is a good thing.
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I think it has something to do with Hank being an alcoholic wife-beater.
It's kind of funny... the guy has more superhero identities than Fletch, but is his low self-esteem what he is most known for? Nope. He invents Ultron (and by extension, the Vision) but is that what he is most known for? Nope. He slapped Wasp once and that is his defining character trait.
Tony Stark is a much bigger alcoholic than Hank.
Mr. "Fantastic" is a much bigger spousal abuser than Hank.
But only Hank Pym is reviled for being an alcoholic wife abuser.
... the "domestic dispute" scene from the first Ultimates book didn't help, of course, but that is alternate continuity.
And after deciding to tie Ultron to an established, profitable character, what's left of Hank to work with?
"Poor self-esteem" and "Alcoholic Wife-beater", neither of which are a selling point for a character.
Yeah, but they didn't have to tie Ultron to Tony. I mean, Avengers 2 could have just had the script altered a little to make Hank the programmer who invents the Ultron AI, rather than make it the bastich spawn of J.A.R.V.I.S....
And hey, poor self-esteem could make for a great selling point, if you make a movie that is a deconstruction of the superhero blockbuster. Okay, it would be kind of meta, but the Marvel movies have been about doing established genre films (war, spy, adventure, etc) and just adding a layer of superheroes to them. It could totally work with Hank and Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Yellowjacket, and so on, as a wanna-be superhero with dozens of different powers and enough skill at inventing to become the next Thomas Edison wastes his time and life trying to come up with a superhero concept that people don't immediately laugh at.
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squidhills wrote: Yeah, but they didn't have to tie Ultron to Tony. I mean, Avengers 2 could have just had the script altered a little to make Hank the programmer who invents the Ultron AI, rather than make it the bastich spawn of J.A.R.V.I.S....
And hey, poor self-esteem could make for a great selling point, if you make a movie that is a deconstruction of the superhero blockbuster. Okay, it would be kind of meta, but the Marvel movies have been about doing established genre films (war, spy, adventure, etc) and just adding a layer of superheroes to them. It could totally work with Hank and Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Yellowjacket, and so on, as a wanna-be superhero with dozens of different powers and enough skill at inventing to become the next Thomas Edison wastes his time and life trying to come up with a superhero concept that people don't immediately laugh at.
In the MCU, Ultron is an AI created by Stark, using the Chitauri tech salvaged from New York- hence Angry Thor. No doubt we'll see something to do with Ultron in Ant-Man though.
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