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I'm shocked - stunned even - that we don't have an active, ongoing, busy Warzone Resurrection thread here in the Misc. Miniature Games subforum!

I'm interested in this system - a lot!

Finances and the Gaming Budget were in bad shape during the Kickstarter, so I was, sadly, unable to take advantage of that.

So, what does everyone think?

Worth getting into?

Are there any in-depth reviews of the new system and miniatures somewhere?

Thanks!

   
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I can't point you towards an in-depth.. anything.. when it comes to WZR. However, with free rules and the recent (digital) release of all the cards it's pretty cheap to get in to. The starter sets are pretty good value, too, when you consider they are only £5 more than most Infinity starters. If you want to get a starter make sure it's one of the 'new' starters because they went back and updated a lot of the KS sculpts to help them create a more.. retail friendly product. The quality of the sculpts varies from good to great (IMHO) with the only real flaw being a tendency towards components that are too small / thin. This was most evident with the miniatures that were designed during the beginning of the Kickstarter but with each new character, vehicle or unit that was unlocked, you could see them getting better and better. As a result, the Mishima starter (the last starter to get unlocked during the KS) is miles better in terms of sculpting quality and component design than, say, the Cybertronic starter which was the first box to be designed if I recall correctly. The Imperial starter came along after the KS and the quality of the sculpts was (again IMHO) the best yet. They also reduced the number of components per mini and what would have been thin and bendy had it been designed in 2013 is now much more robust.

The Imperial starter also reflected a change in the way the starters were comprised - gone was the named character. Instead there were two generic NCOs who could double as a character (using the "design your own character" rules) and it also meant you could pick a named hero to lead your force if you so wished, from the selection available for that faction. Thus, Prodos then revisited the starters they had created during the kickstarter, improving sculpts and changing the composition of the starters to match the Imperial one. Only the Capitol and Mishima starters are unchanged in terms of composition. Here's how the starters have changed:

Dark Legion: 2 Necromutants instead of Alakhai the Cunning.
Bauhaus: Venusian Marshall instead of Angelica Drachen. Significant redesign of the Vulcan. Tweaked Hussars.
Brotherhood: 2 Inquisitors instead of the Cardinal. Tweaked Judicator. Tweaked Troopers.
Capitol: Tweaked Light Infantry.
Cybertronic: 2 Dr Diana clones instead of Cuirassier, Exterminateur (giant Not T800) instead of the Everassur. Tweaked Chasseurs.
Mishima: Tweaked Ronin.
Imperial: Newest starter, doesn't need changing.

If the Mishima starter changes I highly doubt any of the models will be resculpted although the Meka might get an extra weapon option and Captain Hiroko might be swapped out. The Capitol starter is more likely to change in my opinion, as the Light Infantry could use the same treatment as the Bauhaus Hussars and Brotherhood troopers

The quality of the new (e.g. 2014 onwards) and 'tweaked' sculpts is great in my opinion and similar to WWX.. although the material is a little softer which is both a pro and a con.

The setting is.. well, I can't really be objective here. The first CCG I ever played was Doomtrooper and the first RPG I ever owned was Mutant Chronicles. I love the settings and the factions. As for the rules.. mechanically they are fairly sound and I feel like each model is more of an individual.. not quite like Infinity or Rogue Trader but certainly more so than 40k. The card mechanic - while optional - is an important element that helps it feel different from other games and building a deck of cards as well as your force is quite neat. This is now even easier to do as you no longer need to buy multiple copies of a model or unit to get more copies of a card - you can just print them out.

Probably my only gripe is the writing. After the most recent eratta release, there aren't too many rules that are open to interpretation and exploitation (again, IMHO) but a lot of the ability and card names are very odd, as though they were literal translations from another language which don't necessarily sound as good in English.. although to be fair, that's probably exactly what happened

Gazillionth edit: If you want to get in to Warzone, the best starting point is.. well, a starter plus one named hero for your faction. As awesome as they might be, I would strongly advise against buying a Black Widow (Dark Legion), Grizzly (Bauhaus), Icarus Jet Fighter (Brotherhood), Leviathan Battle Tank (Capitol) or Eradicator Deathdroid (Cybertronic) until you have a bunch of people to play against. This is because these are all classed as "Heavy Vehicles" which are not only expensive ($$$) but also costly in terms of points and if you are just starting, your opponent isn't likely to have enough models to match it. In addition, Mishima and Imperial don't have a Heavy choice yet.

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I've been really interested in this one as well. Imo it's the only game that comes close to having iconic visuals on par with 40k, but with better rules. Im also surprised that it doesn't seem to have a community on dakka.
   
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Siygess - thanks for that write up - I appreciate it!

Are the rules and cards somewhere on their website? (I'm workblocked)

Mymearan wrote:
I've been really interested in this one as well. Imo it's the only game that comes close to having iconic visuals on par with 40k, but with better rules. Im also surprised that it doesn't seem to have a community on dakka.


Well, let's you, me and Siygess start it up!

   
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 Alpharius wrote:
Siygess - thanks for that write up - I appreciate it!

Are the rules and cards somewhere on their website? (I'm workblocked)


They are indeed!

Game rules v1.2 + Dark Legion, Bauhaus, Brotherhood, Capitol, Cybertronic and Mishima unit profiles
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One thing I'd add to Siygess' detailed post is that they apparently changed the scale on some of the redone minis so they won't look just right next to the just released KS versions (like amazons next to asian women). He might be able to give you more detail as to what models changed scale but it is something to consider if you're buying them second hand.

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That's certainly true. All of the 'tweaked' sculpts are a bit chunkier and a touch taller than their counterparts. Thus, you might want to be careful about mixing old and new Hussars, for example. The sculpts who were dainty to begin with but have NOT been updated fare the worst (The Dr Diana hero and Golgotha spring to mind, as do the Undead Legionnaires). Big Bob Watts also needs beefing up IMHO because while he was tall compared with the older minis as he should be, he doesn't stand out very much alongside new models like the Imperial Trencher. Luckily the all-female units who might also have fallen into that category.. namely the Etoiles Mortant and Valkyires.. have also been updated.

On the other end of the scale.. literally.. is the Imperial hero Benjamin Taylor. I love the mini itself but man he is huge. 40k huge.

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I ended up getting Alakhai the Cunning and Valpurgius for my D&D games for various characters, and the castings were absolutely spectacular. No bubbles, zero flash, almost no mold lines.

While I have no idea if I want to play the game, the models themselves are fantastic. Only gripe is they are a bit bigger than 32mm scale. Fine for my usage, but I have no idea on other usages.

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May have to check this out- is this the game I see every now and again with the crazy tanks with guns everywhere?

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Thank you for those links - I'm home now...and downloading them!

warboss wrote:One thing I'd add to Siygess' detailed post is that they apparently changed the scale on some of the redone minis so they won't look just right next to the just released KS versions (like amazons next to asian women). He might be able to give you more detail as to what models changed scale but it is something to consider if you're buying them second hand.


This is not cool!

Consider my enthusiasm...somewhat dampened.

   
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I would say that what scale shift there is no worse than any other range. And it seems to me that the miniatures keep getting better. They are also releasing new miniatures on a regular basis, without using kickstarter, which is nice. And the quality of the casts has been really good so far.

The game plays like a streamlined and heavily modernised version of the old Warzone. This is a GOOD thing. I really liked old warzone, and WZR is warzone with the good things kept and the bad stuff fixed.Shooting is quite deadly so terrain is important.

They are redoing the card system so that all cards can be bought in decks separate from the miniatures. I think this is good since it evens out the playing field. All players get access to the same cards without needing to buy the miniatures that they come with. It is also important to note that the cards just add flavor and tactics to the miniature game.

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 jorny wrote:
And it seems to me that the miniatures keep getting better.


This. It's remarkable how quickly Prodos have been able to improve the quality of their sculpts.

Their casting is getting better too - the new Juggernaughts I received last week were flawless, although both of the Bauhaus artillery pieces I ordered had mold lines / slippage on the back of the gun shields that ran down to - and diagonally across - the gun carriage and it was a bitch to remove. So, not perfect, but nothing that would make me want to stop buying their products!

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Is Prodos direct the only way/place to buy Mutant Chronicles stuff now?

I couldn't find anything on The Warstore or at The Miniature Market...

   
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Retailers in the UK (e.g. Wayland) definitely sell the Warzone line and I know that some of the US retailers have done.. but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they got burned by the change to the starters and after selling off the 'old' stock, they might be reluctant to carry the 'new' stuff. Shoot BDJV (aka Big Jim on the Prodos Forums) a PM and he might be able to tell you what's up.

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FRP Games and Noble Knight sell them in the US.
   
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They only use retailers that have physical stores.
   
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 RivenSkull wrote:
FRP Games and Noble Knight sell them in the US.


Ah, thanks!

I'm off to check out FRP then!

   
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I'm quite heavily invested in the Mutant Chronicles re-relaunch (Bauhaus, Imperial and Capitol forces) but I do have to say that some of the older sculpts definitely show inexperience, Hussars for example can't be assembled with the dual LMG squad upgrade as there simply aren't enough arms on the sprue.

In addition the mould quality could be extremely bad, every model in my first army was miscast to varying degrees although they were all fixable with creative modelling. The resin used is also weak, for example my Imperial officer/standard bearer has his standard permanently bent at 180 degrees and judging from what I have read on forums this is a common complaint.

That being said I have now started on a new Captiol army and the cast quality is around industry standard now (not great but easily workable) and the sculpts are very nice on the whole.

I have also found an active group that plays Warzone so I expect to be getting a lot of games in this year. the rules seem reasonable and while there were some obvious issues initially they have been FAQed out (Purple Sharks especially)

TlR just be aware that there could be issues due to the inexperience of the company but its a game that I expect a lot from in the future once it matures.

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I saw someone post pics of their newly released Orca walker, and the mould quality looked extremely crisp.

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I don't mean that their sculpts are bad, they are actually quite good on the whole and Prodos have redesigned some of their earlier mistakes, although I prefer the old Vulkan.

The cast quality is definitely improving although I would still say that they have some work to do. I just bought some Sealions and Henry Thomas and while there are on the whole clean, a lot better than my Capitol starter set, there are still some slight miscasts and a fair bit of that annoying wispy flash.

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Not really sold on the system, i am really a fanboy of the first system.

But the sculpts are amazing, i am sure to add more trenchers to my army in the near future.

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Just got back from TempleCon where I was able to get 5+ games in.

The rules take a bit of getting used to, but they really are fun to play. Stackable cover modifiers and such make the game feel very tactical, though I would recommend almost Infinity levels of terrain to avoid getting slaughtered by 28" threat ranges (AVV 4 Heavy Capitol Troops FTW!). There are quite a few modifiers, but they start to become second nature just like 40k or WM/H.

I still haven't dived fully into the gear/order/tactical cards, we've mostly been using just the resource cards to burn for extra rate of fire or action points. Along those same lines, I don't think we ever really got the magic rules 100%, but that was mostly because the factions we played didn't have access to them. (Purple Sharks may definitely be under costed. Doesn't mean I'll stop using them, however ).

I have a few pictures of the models in my gallery, and they really are fantastic. People kept asking if they were Infinity models all weekend. I noticed small amounts of mold slippage, but nothing game breaking. I also didn't find most of the scales to ever be noticeably out of whack. There are definitely a few flimsy/brittle weapons, but per what I heard, their may be brass/plastic replacements coming down the pipe.

In terms of model updates, Prodos posted a planned revision list on the Warzone Resurrection facebook page. It looks like a new rule book is coming down the pipe (v1.4) in a new A5 format without the fluff, but it's unclear if it will be physical or PDF only, though I assume they will print it. The Capitol Light Infantry as well as a few other models will also be updated to reflected new production standards and practices.

Final Conclusion: The game is a lot of fun, so much so that I'm looking into becoming a Crusader to help spread the word about it! I highly recommend it Alph!

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 gunslingerpro wrote:
.... The Capitol Light Infantry...


They are? I was certainly hoping that would be the case although the production status they put on Facebook the other day threw me.. it states both the Capitol Light Infantry and the starter are already on V2, with no resculpt planned for the Light Infantry. I assume the V2 status reflects the changes that were made between the KS ending and the KS rewards being shipped (they had the classic 'American Football' style helmets during the KS) so I guess I was hoping for a V3

Edit: Just so everyone knows what I'm talking about, here is the list. It should help you plan your purchases!

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 Siygess wrote:
 gunslingerpro wrote:
.... The Capitol Light Infantry...


They are? I was certainly hoping that would be the case although the production status they put on Facebook the other day threw me.. it states both the Capitol Light Infantry and the starter are already on V2, with no resculpt planned for the Light Infantry. I assume the V2 status reflects the changes that were made between the KS ending and the KS rewards being shipped (they had the classic 'American Football' style helmets during the KS) so I guess I was hoping for a V3

Edit: Just so everyone knows what I'm talking about, here is the list. It should help you plan your purchases!



hmm, maybe I looked at the wrong thing? It's possible, I didn't sleep much!

EDIT: I was wrong, it was the Banshees (which are on my to-buy list)

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 gunslingerpro wrote:
(Purple Sharks may definitely be under costed. Doesn't mean I'll stop using them, however ).


They have been FAQed so they aren't quite as nasty, their Rof is now 4. I can't find the FAQ on the Prodos site or Facebook page although I'm sure thats where I read it.

I like Capitol light infantry, although I would like the Aircav options to be on the sprue or at least make the upgrades a bit more significant than a slightly different head and backpack. I'm not sure why Sea Lions are being revised, they seem pretty decent models although mine are still on their sprue.

All I'm really looking for from Capitol is a generic Heavy Infantry character.

I'm glad that they are updating the physical book, mine needs replaced after my son managed to rip half the pages out.

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 gunslingerpro wrote:
(Purple Sharks may definitely be under costed. Doesn't mean I'll stop using them, however ).


They have been FAQed so they aren't quite as nasty, their Rof is now 4. I can't find the FAQ on the Prodos site or Facebook page although I'm sure thats where I read it.

I like Capitol light infantry, although I would like the Aircav options to be on the sprue or at least make the upgrades a bit more significant than a slightly different head and backpack. I'm not sure why Sea Lions are being revised, they seem pretty decent models although mine are still on their sprue.

All I'm really looking for from Capitol is a generic Heavy Infantry character.

I'm glad that they are updating the physical book, mine needs replaced after my son managed to rip half the pages out.



Ah that definitely takes some of the sting out. ROF6 was a bit absurd. I never did manage to get those assault grenades off.

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It was on Facebook, sorry :/
   
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I got the banshees from the Ks and I will say that they were the biggest disappointment from my pledge. On the other hand the Razide (only painted mini so far) and the Pretorian Stalkers are sweet.

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 Miguelsan wrote:
I got the banshees from the Ks and I will say that they were the biggest disappointment from my pledge. On the other hand the Razide (only painted mini so far) and the Pretorian Stalkers are sweet.

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As I am interested in picking some up (though not until they finish the resculpt), may I ask what was disappointing about them? Hopefully it was something a second go around can fix.

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