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Here's something I'm quite interested in, it doesn't seem to have been touched upon in the fluff.

The two most evil factions in the universe, and presumably the DE hate the FoC and all things Chaos-related.

I wonder what would transpire if they met face to face.

Yeah the DE hate Chaos as much as the Eldar do, but particularly Slaanesh, as she gets their souls after they die.

I find this really interesting, CSM and DE, the two most evil, and nary a word about their encounters.

Maximus Bitch wrote:
I find this really interesting, CSM and DE, the two most evil, and nary a word about their encounters.

Fabulous Bill learned a lot of his fleshcraft from the DE Haemoculi.
He then betrayed their trust.
The Haemoculi launched a giant fleshmonster to attack his planet in the eye of terror to teach him a lesson.

 Exergy wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:
I find this really interesting, CSM and DE, the two most evil, and nary a word about their encounters.

Fabulous Bill learned a lot of his fleshcraft from the DE Haemoculi.
He then betrayed their trust.
The Haemoculi launched a giant fleshmonster to attack his planet in the eye of terror to teach him a lesson.

What? They trusted a Slaaneshi dude?

So what was that fleshmonster called?

 Exergy wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:
I find this really interesting, CSM and DE, the two most evil, and nary a word about their encounters.

Fabulous Bill learned a lot of his fleshcraft from the DE Haemoculi.
He then betrayed their trust.
The Haemoculi launched a giant fleshmonster to attack his planet in the eye of terror to teach him a lesson.

DE have been hired by CSM (I believe it was in Shadowpoint, but I could be wrong).

 Frazzled wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:
I find this really interesting, CSM and DE, the two most evil, and nary a word about their encounters.

Fabulous Bill learned a lot of his fleshcraft from the DE Haemoculi.
He then betrayed their trust.
The Haemoculi launched a giant fleshmonster to attack his planet in the eye of terror to teach him a lesson.

DE have been hired by CSM (I believe it was in Shadowpoint, but I could be wrong).

cool, I'll check it out



the Battle of Gethsemane?

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:
I find this really interesting, CSM and DE, the two most evil, and nary a word about their encounters.

Fabulous Bill learned a lot of his fleshcraft from the DE Haemoculi.
He then betrayed their trust.
The Haemoculi launched a giant fleshmonster to attack his planet in the eye of terror to teach him a lesson.

What? They trusted a Slaaneshi dude?

So what was that fleshmonster called?

Bill doesnt worship slannesh, even though he is originally from the Emperor's Children

I'm not sure what it was called. The Coven was called the Thirteen Scars. Apparently the flesh monster was their fortress in Commogarth that they animated and set lose on him through a webway portal

 Exergy wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:
I find this really interesting, CSM and DE, the two most evil, and nary a word about their encounters.

Fabulous Bill learned a lot of his fleshcraft from the DE Haemoculi.
He then betrayed their trust.
The Haemoculi launched a giant fleshmonster to attack his planet in the eye of terror to teach him a lesson.

What? They trusted a Slaaneshi dude?

So what was that fleshmonster called?

Bill doesnt worship slannesh, even though he is originally from the Emperor's Children

I'm not sure what it was called. The Coven was called the Thirteen Scars. Apparently the flesh monster was their fortress in Commogarth that they animated and set lose on him through a webway portal

He doesn't? Sounds interesting. Know where I can read more? thanks

Lucius the Eternal also got on very well with the Wych cults.

Really disliked that piece of fluff tbh.

SideSwipe wrote:
Lucius the Eternal also got on very well with the Wych cults.

Really disliked that piece of fluff tbh.

Yeah that fluff, doesn't sit well at all...

I can see on the martial side of things... but he is a Sally lover and DE and totally against that..

Where did you see that bit of fluff?

@Maximus Bitch. Indeed read Primogenitor. Just finished it recently and a very good read.

Maximus Bitch wrote:
Here's something I'm quite interested in, it doesn't seem to have been touched upon in the fluff.

The two most evil factions in the universe, and presumably the DE hate the FoC and all things Chaos-related.

I wonder what would transpire if they met face to face.

it is touched in a lot of the fluff, it was called the fall of the elder, it gave birth to slaaneesh. creaftworld elder went about changing their ways and following rigid life paths to avoid chaos. dark elder decided to stay hedonistic but in the webway between worlds in a place chaos could not get them. Dark elder hate chaos so much they will banish or kill psychers as they do not want any chance of she who thirsts coming for their collective souls. The dark elves are going to stay as farther away from chaos taint than the most stringent member of the inquisition.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
@Maximus Bitch. Indeed read Primogenitor. Just finished it recently and a very good read.

thanks


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 G00fySmiley wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:
Here's something I'm quite interested in, it doesn't seem to have been touched upon in the fluff.

The two most evil factions in the universe, and presumably the DE hate the FoC and all things Chaos-related.

I wonder what would transpire if they met face to face.

it is touched in a lot of the fluff, it was called the fall of the elder, it gave birth to slaaneesh. creaftworld elder went about changing their ways and following rigid life paths to avoid chaos. dark elder decided to stay hedonistic but in the webway between worlds in a place chaos could not get them. Dark elder hate chaos so much they will banish or kill psychers as they do not want any chance of she who thirsts coming for their collective souls. The dark elves are going to stay as farther away from chaos taint than the most stringent member of the inquisition.

So my question was, what if DE met a CSM?

Maximus Bitch wrote:

So my question was, what if DE met a CSM?

The Dark Eldar would assess the situation. They would probably first see if they could capture the CSM, to fight in the arenas or sell for enhanced bodyparts. If that proved difficult they would try to kill the CSM in the most painful way possible.

Things get a little different with Slaneesh worshiping CSMs, as DE both hate and fear slannesh. So probably kill or run away.

 Exergy wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

So my question was, what if DE met a CSM?

The Dark Eldar would assess the situation. They would probably first see if they could capture the CSM, to fight in the arenas or sell for enhanced bodyparts. If that proved difficult they would try to kill the CSM in the most painful way possible.

Things get a little different with Slaneesh worshiping CSMs, as DE both hate and fear slannesh. So probably kill or run away.

They treated Fabius and Lucius very well though.

i cant quite remember the details very clearly, but i could have sworn I read a BL book (nearly 10-12 years ago) about a hired Archon (with a skinned baby face mask) working for some Chaos Lord/Corrupt Politician... And there might have been an Ork boss involved too.

Cant remember for the life of me the whole story, and i've been meaning to inquire Dakka for some time....

Anyway, I also remember one of the Word Bearer Dark Apostle series books touching on Dark Eldar.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Anyway, I also remember one of the Word Bearer Dark Apostle series books touching on Dark Eldar.

what did the DE do in that book?

 Exergy wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

So my question was, what if DE met a CSM?

The Dark Eldar would assess the situation. They would probably first see if they could capture the CSM, to fight in the arenas or sell for enhanced bodyparts. If that proved difficult they would try to kill the CSM in the most painful way possible.

Things get a little different with Slaneesh worshiping CSMs, as DE both hate and fear slannesh. So probably kill or run away.

Based on what we see in the fluff (Bile & Lucius's Dark Eldar connection has already been noted) that doesn't seem to be quite how it works though.

"Absolutely no warp meddling nonsense" seems to be the one hard rule of Dark Eldar society, and that's because if a daemonic incursion happened in Commoragh, EVERYONE would be frakked.

Chaos Space Marines without psychic powers or sorcery, if they're powerful enough, could be potential tools and allies. That seems to be the general attitude.

The thing about the Dark Eldar is that they're a pretty desperate, crazy bunch. Some powerful archons have had a secure position for a long time, but mostly they live under constant threat, and everyone lower on the totem pole is in constant danger from one kind of horrible fate or another, whether it's death and facing Slaanesh or something just as bad at the hands of their fellow Dark Eldar. When you're trying to save yourself from a fate worse than death, there's a lot you'll compromise on, and that's not counting the ones who are too crazy to care.

Sure most of them would probably dearly like to double cross that Chaos Space Marine and put him in they're torture chamber or the arena when it's all over, but that isn't easy to do...

As for the CSM, most of them don't really have a personal beef with the Dark Eldar and seem to view them as a source of amusement, a potential source of useful knowledge, or simply an obstacle to overcome.

 fallinq wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

So my question was, what if DE met a CSM?

The Dark Eldar would assess the situation. They would probably first see if they could capture the CSM, to fight in the arenas or sell for enhanced bodyparts. If that proved difficult they would try to kill the CSM in the most painful way possible.

Things get a little different with Slaneesh worshiping CSMs, as DE both hate and fear slannesh. So probably kill or run away.

Based on what we see in the fluff (Bile & Lucius's Dark Eldar connection has already been noted) that doesn't seem to be quite how it works though.

"Absolutely no warp meddling nonsense" seems to be the one hard rule of Dark Eldar society, and that's because if a daemonic incursion happened in Commoragh, EVERYONE would be frakked.

Chaos Space Marines without psychic powers or sorcery, if they're powerful enough, could be potential tools and allies. That seems to be the general attitude.

The thing about the Dark Eldar is that they're a pretty desperate, crazy bunch. Some powerful archons have had a secure position for a long time, but mostly they live under constant threat, and everyone lower on the totem pole is in constant danger from one kind of horrible fate or another, whether it's death and facing Slaanesh or something just as bad at the hands of their fellow Dark Eldar. When you're trying to save yourself from a fate worse than death, there's a lot you'll compromise on, and that's not counting the ones who are too crazy to care.

Sure most of them would probably dearly like to double cross that Chaos Space Marine and put him in they're torture chamber or the arena when it's all over, but that isn't easy to do...

As for the CSM, most of them don't really have a personal beef with the Dark Eldar and seem to view them as a source of amusement, a potential source of useful knowledge, or simply an obstacle to overcome.

I'd like to see more CSM DE fluff too.






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 Exergy wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:
I find this really interesting, CSM and DE, the two most evil, and nary a word about their encounters.

Fabulous Bill learned a lot of his fleshcraft from the DE Haemoculi.
He then betrayed their trust.
The Haemoculi launched a giant fleshmonster to attack his planet in the eye of terror to teach him a lesson.

In the Haemonculus codex, its said that they surgically ensure that Bile "cannot speak of his learnings to any other living creature".

Ooh, nasty. I wonder what they did to him.

IIRC the DE were planning a raid in between a CSM raid, which resulted in a grab for slaves.

its this book here.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/dark-disciple-ebook.html

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
IIRC the DE were planning a raid in between a CSM raid, which resulted in a grab for slaves.

its this book here.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/dark-disciple-ebook.html

thanks

The PoV character from Talon of Horus has a Dark Eldar Scourge in his posession.


Also do make giant blank spaces in your posts like that, its obnoxious.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
The PoV character from Talon of Horus has a Dark Eldar Scourge in his posession.


Also do make giant blank spaces in your posts like that, its obnoxious.

I was just testing it out.

Well, this is a major part of the story in Path of the Dark Eldar - Chaos conspiring to bring down Commorragh.

 Robin5t wrote:
Well, this is a major part of the story in Path of the Dark Eldar - Chaos conspiring to bring down Commorragh.

Thanks I'll check it out.

The Dark Eldar are quite paradoxical, despite being deathly afraid of Chaos, they've pretty much been subsumed by it.

 Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
Well, this is a major part of the story in Path of the Dark Eldar - Chaos conspiring to bring down Commorragh.

Thanks I'll check it out.

The Dark Eldar are quite paradoxical, despite being deathly afraid of Chaos, they've pretty much been subsumed by it.

Yeah that's a big part of the character depth of the Eldar.

One of their main traits is sheer, all-encompassing arrogance. In their hubris, both the Commorrites and the Craftworlders believe that they have found a way to trick Slaanesh out of their souls. However, the Commorrites basically survive by replacing the soulstuff they lose with the souls of others, ensuring a steady stream of souls go to Slaanesh (plus, their sadistic practices no doubt feed Slaanesh as well). The Craftworlders are also just as hubristic. They think that their Path system protects them from Slaanesh, but really what they do is dedicate themselves wholly to one aspect of their lives completely, mastering it before moving on to another (with some getting stuck along the way). If that doesn't hit the whole 'endless pursuit of perfectionism' angle of Slaanesh I don't know what does.

It's a fantastic piece of irony that's one of the best examples of true character depth in a 40k faction. It's so subtle and beautiful it makes Angron's fall to Chaos (which is also excellent) look positively ham-fisted.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
The Craftworlders are also just as hubristic. They think that their Path system protects them from Slaanesh, but really what they do is dedicate themselves wholly to one aspect of their lives completely, mastering it before moving on to another (with some getting stuck along the way). If that doesn't hit the whole 'endless pursuit of perfectionism' angle of Slaanesh I don't know what does.

It's a fantastic piece of irony that's one of the best examples of true character depth in a 40k faction. It's so subtle and beautiful it makes Angron's fall to Chaos (which is also excellent) look positively ham-fisted.

Holy gak you just blew my mind. They didn't want pleasure but they forgot about the perfection part.

Haha thanks! It was definitely a mindblowing moment when someone suggested it to me it's part of the reason I like the Eldar so much. Their fluff is just absolutely masterful

It also fits the whole duality of Slaanesh thing, and the fact that Slaanesh is nothing more than a true reflection of what lurks in the Eldar's soul. Wanton hedonism, and mind-bending obsession

Now, if only they didn't wreck the Newcrons and they'd have two perfectly formed factions facing off against each other

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Haha thanks! It was definitely a mindblowing moment when someone suggested it to me it's part of the reason I like the Eldar so much. Their fluff is just absolutely masterful

It also fits the whole duality of Slaanesh thing, and the fact that Slaanesh is nothing more than a true reflection of what lurks in the Eldar's soul. Wanton hedonism, and mind-bending obsession

Now, if only they didn't wreck the Newcrons and they'd have two perfectly formed factions facing off against each other

I actually like some of the Newcron changes.

I think its possible to give them a personality yet have them be xenocidal. Striking a balance.