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2016/03/03 20:41:27
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Beast of Nurgle
Olympia Washington
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Hey ya'll just getting back into the hobby and was looking online to pick up some models and it seems people are selling 2000 point armies for like $100 (craigslist/eBay)... These are brand new assembled unpainted models. Yet I see oop metal models selling for $10 a piece. Did Age of Sigmar or whatever its called kill fantasy for good? I am very sad to see the decline of fantasy.
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This is my chaos painting post please give me critic!
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2016/03/03 20:48:19
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Solahma
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WHFB will be alive as long as people play it. But it's OOP.
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2016/03/03 20:56:34
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Dakka Veteran
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valhallanguitar wrote:Hey ya'll just getting back into the hobby and was looking online to pick up some models and it seems people are selling 2000 point armies for like $100 (craigslist/eBay)... These are brand new assembled unpainted models.
Links or it didn't happen . Srsly if you see that kind of price and you are atleast a little interested in GW's models for painting/collecting/converting buying is a no-brainer.
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2016/03/03 21:29:44
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Yeoman Warden with a Longbow
Chicago
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CoreCommander wrote:valhallanguitar wrote:Hey ya'll just getting back into the hobby and was looking online to pick up some models and it seems people are selling 2000 point armies for like $100 (craigslist/eBay)... These are brand new assembled unpainted models.
Links or it didn't happen . Srsly if you see that kind of price and you are atleast a little interested in GW's models for painting/collecting/converting buying is a no-brainer.
I did a little digging on Craigslist myself when I read that. I found something in the town next to mine for $200 which is pretty insane:
"Bundle contains:
2 sets of the High Elf side from the Island of Blood starter set
20 spearmen
6 bolt throwers with crew
24 bowmen (including command)
20 additional bowmen
8 dragon knights with command
10 silver helms with command
11 shadow warriors
16 sword masters with command
Teclis
Caradryan
High Elf army books from last 2 editions
Previous edition Warhammer Fantasy mini rule book
Previous edition magic cards (High Elf and main book)
Templates
Dice
Storage cases as shown
Massive box of bits (enough to build at least a dozen spearmen, bowmen, silver helms, and several OOP maiden guard)"
I don't play High Elves, don't have much interest in playing them, but I'm thinking of spending $200 and selling the stuff for profit on eBay.
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2016/03/03 21:47:32
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Clousseau
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I know where I am there were people selling their armies for $100 - $200 just to be rid of them and others were swooping in to profiteer off of it.
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2016/03/04 00:09:10
Subject: Re:Is warhammer dead???
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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pretty much sums it up, WHFB is dead. AoS and GW killed it, there are folks like me who are ditching our armies because we wont go to AoS and want to get rid of models for an unsupported game.
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2016/03/04 00:41:19
Subject: Re:Is warhammer dead???
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Beast of Nurgle
Olympia Washington
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Absolutely crazy, Im picking up an assembled empire army which is
20 mounted knights,
plastic battle wizard on 2 headed griffon
Carl Franz
steam engine
(some weird warmachine with a wizard on it plastic kit)
a handful of characters
20 great swords
40 of the boxed set warriors
rule book and some more I didnt even notice
(I also dont know all the names of the models haha)
Anyways dude wants $100 for everything... mind blowingly low. Ill post back tonight after I pick up the models to let you know the condition but everything looked nicely assembled and cleaned.
On another note I am planning on playing 5th/6th edition with my freinds. No reason why I have to play current rules haha.
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2016/03/04 01:15:44
Subject: Re:Is warhammer dead???
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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valhallanguitar wrote:Absolutely crazy, Im picking up an assembled empire army which is
20 mounted knights,
plastic battle wizard on 2 headed griffon
Carl Franz
steam engine
(some weird warmachine with a wizard on it plastic kit)
a handful of characters
20 great swords
40 of the boxed set warriors
rule book and some more I didnt even notice
(I also dont know all the names of the models haha)
Anyways dude wants $100 for everything... mind blowingly low. Ill post back tonight after I pick up the models to let you know the condition but everything looked nicely assembled and cleaned.
On another note I am planning on playing 5th/6th edition with my freinds. No reason why I have to play current rules haha.
keep looking too, you will likely find more and better deals as well. Khornegrats on your new empire
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2016/03/04 06:47:11
Subject: Re:Is warhammer dead???
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Beast of Nurgle
Olympia Washington
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alright so everything I got is
(*edit* these are all assembled, but no paint or primer, all bare plastic/resin"
Steam Tank
Carl Franz on griffon
Amber battle wizard on griffon
Luminark of Hysh
10x great swords
20x mounted knights
40x state troops
20x state hand gunners
3x battle wizards
Empire general and standard banner bearer
Great cannon
Hellblaster volley gun
resin warrior priest
resin witch hunter
Empire master engineer
Hardback empire book
all the bits that were clipped from sprues in a plastic bag.
I calculated this at over $700, and I got it for $100. Dude said all his friends quit after AoS
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This is my chaos painting post please give me critic!
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2016/03/04 07:26:53
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There is no time like now to pick up fantasy minis ! But I don't think I have ever seen people selling army's so cheep before. No just fantsy but 40k also.
Stores also in the last year or so selling of stock has gotten cheep.
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2016/03/04 09:59:55
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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40kenthus
Manchester UK
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I don't get all the rage quitting. The rules are still there (I have an 8th ed hard back sat on my bookshelf, and it still opens and has the rules in it!) The Army books still have the rules, points and stats in. They're still selling the vast majority of the ranges (RIP Tomb Kings).
Why not just carry on playing WHFB?
I didn't have a strop and bin my 360 when they announced Xbox One. The 360 still worked just fine. I got a PS4 eventually, but that's neither here nor there.
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Member of the "Awesome Wargaming Dudes"
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2016/03/04 11:17:02
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
'Murica! (again)
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There's no reason why anyone wanting to play and can find an opponent can't still play. Not supported but also no need to buy anything. Hell, get some super deals on Ebay
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co-host weekly wargaming podcast Combat Phase
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2016/03/04 11:17:46
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Major
London
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monders wrote:I don't get all the rage quitting. The rules are still there (I have an 8th ed hard back sat on my bookshelf, and it still opens and has the rules in it!) The Army books still have the rules, points and stats in. They're still selling the vast majority of the ranges (RIP Tomb Kings).
Why not just carry on playing WHFB?
I didn't have a strop and bin my 360 when they announced Xbox One. The 360 still worked just fine. I got a PS4 eventually, but that's neither here nor there.
Because its not supported!!!!! Whatever that actually means in the long run?
When it is supported - many complaints about the new stuff rules.
Who knows?
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2016/03/04 13:04:04
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
UK
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Unsupported games get stale you're never getting new rules or units, you're never going to get fixes for broken stuff.
What's more you can't attract new players if they can't easily buy their own stuff it's offputting.
So while the rules still exist stagnation leads to entropy and after a few years your not playing anymore.
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2016/03/04 13:33:19
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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hobojebus wrote:Unsupported games get stale you're never getting new rules or units, you're never going to get fixes for broken stuff.
What's more you can't attract new players if they can't easily buy their own stuff it's offputting.
So while the rules still exist stagnation leads to entropy and after a few years your not playing anymore.
This, and building up additional armies and or upgrading existing models becomes much more difficult.
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2016/03/08 21:47:53
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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VeteranNoob wrote:There's no reason why anyone wanting to play and can find an opponent can't still play. Not supported but also no need to buy anything. Hell, get some super deals on Ebay
Finding the opponent is the problem.
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2016/03/09 05:47:06
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
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I havent been into a GW since AoS dropped. I want to play 30k but feel so betrayed by AoS that I dont even want to walk in and have my game store manager even ask me if I have any intrest in it.
I feel like AoS is akin to a sandcastle destroyed by the oncoming tide. All that remains are the washed up and muddy ruins of something that was beutifull and that took time to complete.
Kill me please.
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TOO MUCH CHAOS!!!
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2016/03/09 06:02:53
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Regular Dakkanaut
Los Angeles
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Dama queen much?
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2016/03/09 06:10:04
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
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Imagine taking 15 years of your life and throwing it to the wind along with a hobby that brings you and many others joy.
Call it what you want, but many people feel the same.
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TOO MUCH CHAOS!!!
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2016/03/09 06:15:51
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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monders wrote:I don't get all the rage quitting. The rules are still there (I have an 8th ed hard back sat on my bookshelf, and it still opens and has the rules in it!) The Army books still have the rules, points and stats in. They're still selling the vast majority of the ranges (RIP Tomb Kings).
Why not just carry on playing WHFB?
I didn't have a strop and bin my 360 when they announced Xbox One. The 360 still worked just fine. I got a PS4 eventually, but that's neither here nor there.
When a game stops being supported it tends to slowly die at local clubs. If you relied on playing at local stores then it dies pretty quickly. Many people just pre-empt the death and sell their armies off straight away.
Add to that WHFB was already dying in 8th, many people were hoping for something to bring it back to life, not kill it outright. I'm sure a lot of people getting rid of their armies were already unsatisfied with 8th.
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2016/03/09 06:24:57
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: monders wrote:I don't get all the rage quitting. The rules are still there (I have an 8th ed hard back sat on my bookshelf, and it still opens and has the rules in it!) The Army books still have the rules, points and stats in. They're still selling the vast majority of the ranges (RIP Tomb Kings).
Why not just carry on playing WHFB?
I didn't have a strop and bin my 360 when they announced Xbox One. The 360 still worked just fine. I got a PS4 eventually, but that's neither here nor there.
When a game stops being supported it tends to slowly die at local clubs. If you relied on playing at local stores then it dies pretty quickly. Many people just pre-empt the death and sell their armies off straight away.
Add to that WHFB was already dying in 8th, many people were hoping for something to bring it back to life, not kill it outright. I'm sure a lot of people getting rid of their armies were already unsatisfied with 8th.
Pretty much this, bloodbowl, epic, and the other specialist games are living proof of this.
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TOO MUCH CHAOS!!!
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2016/03/09 10:55:51
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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40k 2nd ed, epic, bloodbowl are all still played at my club.
Alongside newer stuff (till no takers for AoS) though. 9th age and KoW are neck and neck, though.
Games have lifetimes, as well as production lifespans - I've seen many games come and go, regardless of where the companies went.
If people WANT to play it, they will find a way.
Build the table, they will come. :p
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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2016/03/09 10:56:50
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
'Murica! (again)
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argonak wrote: VeteranNoob wrote:There's no reason why anyone wanting to play and can find an opponent can't still play. Not supported but also no need to buy anything. Hell, get some super deals on Ebay
Finding the opponent is the problem.
Not sure where you are in the US but there are resources to find players which might be a good start if you don't have a means at a FLGS or live too far from one. http://ageofsigmar.org/
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co-host weekly wargaming podcast Combat Phase
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2016/03/09 11:01:15
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Posts with Authority
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Nurgle wrote:
Pretty much this, bloodbowl, epic, and the other specialist games are living proof of this.
Naw, that's the ingrained GW attitude of 'support', AKA expecting the company to do everything, especially generating a constant stream of redone things that you have to buy. You bring up Specialist Games - people who don't cling to that mindset still play Epic. They don't need GW to splash hyperbolic ads across their site and mag every so often. There's at least one forum that focuses mainly on Epic. Heck, there are at least five small businesses that sprang up, ostensibly to provide proxies for Epic players. There's a market! And last I heard, Bloodbowl still had some pretty big tournaments going on.
I can see 8th ed withering away, but there are much better reasons for it than ' GW doesn't love it any more'. KoW was recommended over on your 'still feel depressed' topic, Nurgle. You could do worse, it's a good game, more appropriate for rank 'n' flank. But if you have your complete, viable armies and books, and local gamers with the same, who also miss 8th, play 8th. You really don't need GW to keep rehashing it, or people halfway across the country who you don't know and will never meet, to play it. Automatically Appended Next Post: chromedog wrote:40k 2nd ed, epic, bloodbowl are all still played at my club.
Alongside newer stuff (till no takers for AoS) though. 9th age and KoW are neck and neck, though.
Games have lifetimes, as well as production lifespans - I've seen many games come and go, regardless of where the companies went.
If people WANT to play it, they will find a way.
Build the table, they will come. :p
Aye, this! Especially the first two lines. No reason you can't keep things fresh by playing and rotating a few different games.
I've seen people say GW needed to shake things up with new editions because games got stale. I wonder if, in some small way, that was excarbated because it's all they played.
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2016/03/09 11:19:53
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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It is still happening, though.
This is a good time to pick up some fantasy armies on the super cheap. As figures, they are usable with many different sets of rules.
Even AoS.
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2016/03/09 11:22:58
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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chromedog wrote:40k 2nd ed, epic, bloodbowl are all still played at my club.
Alongside newer stuff (till no takers for AoS) though. 9th age and KoW are neck and neck, though.
Games have lifetimes, as well as production lifespans - I've seen many games come and go, regardless of where the companies went.
If people WANT to play it, they will find a way.
Build the table, they will come. :p
Realistically a lot of people don't have clubs that foster playing older games. People might be willing to have a go, or play with an army you own, but beyond that it can be hard to find a game, after a while it can be hard to find models to expand your force, the rules are less readily available for new players.
It's nice you have such a great club. Realistically I've only seen a dozen or so games of Epic played in the past 2 decades or so since it died, and almost all of them have been with the same 2 armies that I personally own.
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2016/03/09 11:43:12
Subject: Re:Is warhammer dead???
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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GW offers a one-stop shop where you buy an entire hobby lifestyle, including rules, figures, campaign books, terrain, modelling supplies and advice, even a venue and opponents for games, straight off the shelf, so to speak.
It seems to me that this becomes a weakness at the point that GW decide to can your game.
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2016/03/09 12:57:09
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: chromedog wrote:40k 2nd ed, epic, bloodbowl are all still played at my club.
Alongside newer stuff (till no takers for AoS) though. 9th age and KoW are neck and neck, though.
Games have lifetimes, as well as production lifespans - I've seen many games come and go, regardless of where the companies went.
If people WANT to play it, they will find a way.
Build the table, they will come. :p
Realistically a lot of people don't have clubs that foster playing older games. People might be willing to have a go, or play with an army you own, but beyond that it can be hard to find a game, after a while it can be hard to find models to expand your force, the rules are less readily available for new players.
It's nice you have such a great club. Realistically I've only seen a dozen or so games of Epic played in the past 2 decades or so since it died, and almost all of them have been with the same 2 armies that I personally own.
On the contrary what we have at our club backs this up. Bloodbowl has been a focus here for along time, 2-4 leagues a year with big number tourneys as well.
Mordheim and Necromunda are regularly brought out of the cupboard.
I've probably seen half a dozen games of Epic since Christmas and more players are painting up forces so this will grow as well.
Warmaster has seen a big resurgence in the last year 2-3 games a week and we had our first open tourney in January with 16 players. This is run every 6 months in tandem with another groups tourney at the same interval, meaning a Warmaster tourney every 3 months in Southern England.
Now all of this isn't to say "oh what a great club" (that much is apparent surely ) but to underline that it is all down to certain individuals in our club that drive the system with their enthusiasm. Build it and they will come, its a cliché but holds much truth. That's not to say it's easy but continued perseverance and dedication does attract other players.
The big success with our Warmaster scene is down to one bloke at our club who seemingly will buy anything in 10mm and get it gaming. He's started a Podcast that promotes Warmaster, describes how to get into it or even where to print tokens if you want to try before buying and army, the many places that alternative forces can be bought and arrange a Tournament and found sponsors. He's really made the scene here, which we are very grateful for I might add.
Any community activity relies on people like this. If you want a scene you have to make it. Games are only dead if you give up on them and put it back on the shelf or Jebus forbid sell your models.
People selling armies for pennies/rage quitting seems so ridiculous to me. GW doesn't decide when I'm done with something, if it was fun last week it will be this week and so on. People, allot of Yanks I have to say (My apologies for the gross generalisation by the way), seem to quit when there is "no more support". Which talks to me of Collecting/purchasing more models rather than gaming. I'm more of the latter so its not a problem.
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2016/03/09 13:09:50
Subject: Is warhammer dead???
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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notprop wrote:Build it and they will come, its a cliché but holds much truth.
After significant monetary and time investment creating starters for half a dozen games and not having people catch on with it, I just go with whatever people seem to be most interested at the time.
I'm sure it's partly the locals' fault and partly mine because of the nature of my work sometimes I have to abandon wargaming for months at a time.... but the reality for some (if not most) people is that an OOP game is a dead game. I've had enough trouble trying to get people to consider rules that are supported but not available off the shelf.
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2016/03/09 13:51:32
Subject: Re:Is warhammer dead???
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Inspiring Icon Bearer
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