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If Leicester City win the Premier League, it will be one of the most captivating British sport stories in years. But how does a football-mad Englishman living in the US explain its importance to Americans?
"Lie-kester."
"No, Leicester."
"Less-ester?"
"No, Leicester. As in Lester."
"Oh. Why is it pronounced like that?"
Trying, and failing, to explain the mystery of English phonetics can be a daily task for Brits living in the US.
But when it comes to the Leicester City story, the how-to-say is not the only part that's lost in translation.
For those not yet aware, a small, unfashionable team based in England's East Midlands has somehow stormed the Premier League.
With four games left, Leicester City are five points ahead of anyone and barring a collapse, on course for their first top-flight league title in their 132-year history.
This team was in the third tier of English football in 2009, and after climbing to the top division, they spent months last season in bottom place.
They weren't just out of fashion, they were a byword for failure.



In 2008, when they were relegated to the equivalent of the third division, the Guardian newspaper wrote:
The crowds still filed in, greeting each new season with optimism, but all too soon the realisation dawned that the cheers from the stands were for nothing - everything the club once embodied had been hollowed out from the inside, leaving only a desiccated blue and white husk.
As recently as 18 months ago, the chairman of Marseilles said he would be a "sucker" to take an interest in signing any Leicester City player.
And their Algerian star player Riyad Mahrez says he thought they were a rugby club when they first expressed an interest in him

Should they win English football's most prestigious prize, some say the feat would be the most unlikely event in the history of team sports. Globally.
Bookmakers' odds on them winning the Premier League were 5,000 to one last summer. So it was five times more likely that Hugh Hefner would declare himself a virgin.
For a British sports fan living in the US, there's a natural inclination to share this footballing fairytale with friends. This, after all, is a story as much about the human spirit as it is about scoring goals.
Writing in The Players' Tribune, their manager Claudio Ranieri said: "This is a small club that is showing the world what can be achieved through spirit and determination. Twenty-six players. Twenty-six different brains. But one heart."
But mention Leicester City to American friends who don't closely follow English football and a blank look is the stock response. Or worse, a nod and a smile. Even from sports fans.
It's understandable. I'd have the same reaction if someone tried to enthuse me about, say, the San Diego Padres being on a winning streak.
So how to put it in terms that my American friends would understand? Has there ever been an American Leicester?
For help, I turned to team mates of mine on the football pitches of Shaw, a neighbourhood of Washington where every Friday night, the replica shirts of Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal worn by locals give the scene a semi-English flavour.
"Oakland As in baseball?" suggests Drew, a tough-tackling Wisconsinite, referring to the famous Oakland Athletics team under Billy Beane who used analytics to overcome more glamorous opponents, winning 20 games in a row in 2002.

Nice story but they never won the World Series, which is the equivalent of what Leicester could achieve in the weeks ahead.
Next?
"OK, how about Minnesota Twins?" says Joe, who supports West Ham.
"In 1991, they went from bottom of the American League West to winning 95 games on their way to a World Series title.
"And in gridiron in 1999, the St Louis Rams accomplished a similar feat, following a last-place finish in '98 with a championship of their own the very next year. "
Both good examples of an amazing one-season turnaround, but for teams with pedigree that's admirable, not historic.

There are structural reasons why the Premier League / US sport comparisons are imperfect.
There is no promotion or relegation in NFL or baseball, so a smaller team can't rise up through the ranks like Leicester has, in a way that pitches David against Goliath.
And the NFL operates a more level playing field than the Premier League, through a salary cap and by giving the weaker teams first pick of the best college players.
In English football, the reverse happens - the rich clubs tighten their grip on success because a higher placed finish gets a bigger cash reward and therefore they buy the better players. It's a virtuous circle of success feeding money feeding success.
As a consequence, only five teams have won the Premier League since it was set up in 1992. In that period, 14 teams have won the Superbowl.
That's what makes Leicester's potential feat on a comparative shoestring so remarkable, breaking into a rich elite. When they beat Manchester City recently, they overcame a squad that cost 15 times their own

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If Leicester was in the US, it might be...

Wichita, Kansas, similar population (roughly 375,000)
New Orleans, Louisiana, similar diversity (Leicester is majority non-white, 55%)
Belle Fourche, South Dakota, similar location (the geographical centre of England is Fenney Drayton in Leicestershire)

So if it hasn't happened in the US, what WOULD be the nearest thing to a Leicester triumph?
"The idea of Leicester winning the Premiership would be like the Cleveland Browns winning the Superbowl - unthinkable, and seemingly impossible," says Jeff Maysh, a British writer and football fan who is based in Los Angeles.
"In history there have been a couple of comparable performances in college basketball, which is more akin to a team winning the FA Cup on a lucky run, rather than Leicester's dominance in the league."
Grant Wahl of Sports Illustrated thinks there's no direct comparison but the nearest would be if an AA (third division) baseball team managed to find its way - magically - to the major leagues and then won the World Series.
He puts Leicester's success down to the implosion of several of the big English clubs like Chelsea, some astute Leicester signings and new manager Ranieri.
After a troubled summer when the last manager resigned after a Thai brothel scandal involving his son, the club turned to a man whose Greece side had just lost to the Faroe Islands. Suffice to say, hopes were not high.
Now Ranieri is a folk hero in the East Midlands and there's even talk of a knighthood from the Queen.
There is also an English king's hand in their success, if you believe in superstition. Ever since Richard III's body was dug up from a car park in Leicester and restored to the city's cathedral a year ago, their fortunes have turned around.

The Very Reverend David Monteith of Leicester Cathedral has said that the re-interment added to the sense of civic pride.
"History has been buried and now it's revealed in all kinds of different ways, not least in the [football] match."
The Leicester story is so rich that sex scandals in the Far East and royal influence from beyond the grave are mere footnotes.
But back in Shaw, my footballing team mates have drawn a blank in trying to give it a US context.
"There really isn't an American sports analogy to Leicester," says Andrew, a Liverpool fan from Baltimore. "It has to be the most stunning underdog story in sports history."
Perhaps the best comparison lies not in sport but in politics, he says.
"Everyone said Donald Trump would falter in December but here we are in April wondering how he's defied the odds."
If England and America truly are two nations divided by a common language then sporting talk is where the chasm is at its widest. The different vocabulary used by fans in the US and UK - not just England - when discussing the same sports seems as entrenched as ever.




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God, soccer is boring. Even that article bored me. I remember sitting in a Buffalo Wild Wings during the World Cup and people going wild. Did someone score? Nope, just a wild kick towards the goal that missed. You know a sport is boring when people get excited about that. Cut the damn field in half!

Don't feel like I am denigrating the culture- I think baseball is like watching paint dry, too.

Soccer does have top notch athletes, and enthusiastic fans, though! Good on those fans for supporting their team even during the low times. Cleveland is still hopeless, however.

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 jmurph wrote:
God, soccer is boring. Even that article bored me. I remember sitting in a Buffalo Wild Wings during the World Cup and people going wild. Did someone score? Nope, just a wild kick towards the goal that missed. You know a sport is boring when people get excited about that. Cut the damn field in half!

Don't feel like I am denigrating the culture- I think baseball is like watching paint dry, too.

Soccer does have top notch athletes, and enthusiastic fans, though! Good on those fans for supporting their team even during the low times. Cleveland is still hopeless, however.


To be fair, watching Zinadine Zidane headbutt that guy in the chest was pretty damn cool. And yeah, baseball sucks. America's past time my

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 jreilly89 wrote:
 jmurph wrote:
God, soccer is boring. Even that article bored me. I remember sitting in a Buffalo Wild Wings during the World Cup and people going wild. Did someone score? Nope, just a wild kick towards the goal that missed. You know a sport is boring when people get excited about that. Cut the damn field in half!

Don't feel like I am denigrating the culture- I think baseball is like watching paint dry, too.

Soccer does have top notch athletes, and enthusiastic fans, though! Good on those fans for supporting their team even during the low times. Cleveland is still hopeless, however.


To be fair, watching Zinadine Zidane headbutt that guy in the chest was pretty damn cool. And yeah, baseball sucks. America's past time my


I love playing soccer. But watching it is boring as hell. Baseball is only worth watching if you're at the stadium, eating nachos and burgers, guzzling beer. Simply put.

Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.

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You're just uncultured.


And it's football. You play with your foot, nearly every other country in the world also calls it football.

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 welshhoppo wrote:
And it's football. You play with your foot


And your knees. And your head. And your chest. And your hands if you're a goalie.

It more accurately should be called "watch overpaid people run around a field for 90+ minutes spitting and pretending to get hurt". But that's quite a mouthful for the average fan.

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 welshhoppo wrote:
You're just uncultured.


And it's boring.


Fixed that for you

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 welshhoppo wrote:
You're just uncultured.


And it's football. You play with your foot, nearly every other country in the world also calls it football.


I'm uncultured because I loved playing it, but find it boring to watch? Yeah, like I'm gonna be interested in that opinion!!

And I agree; it SHOULD be called Football. America made a bad decision on the naming aspect. But it's still boring as hell to watch, fun to play.

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 welshhoppo wrote:
You're just uncultured.


Nah, we just don't care about soccer as a sport. Or the endless badgering by "cultured" non-Americans telling us how awesome this silly little game is.

Don't worry, with the demographic shift underway America will get on board the soccer train, but not yet. So until then, kindly feth off.

   
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At least when we say that a match will end in 90 minutes. It will actually end close to that time.

American Football is boring...... It would be so much better if you didn't have an advert Everytime someone dropped the ball.

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 welshhoppo wrote:

American Football is boring...... It would be so much better if you didn't have an advert Everytime someone dropped the ball.


Yup. Overpaid people running around a field for 4 hours spitting and getting hurt and stopping for a rest every 10 seconds.

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I do wonder when soccer becomes more popular here what it will be called. Soccer as a term for the sport is pretty ingrained in our culture and football is obviously already taken, so will the soccer/football divide continue to plague American and non-American fans? Should be fun to watch!

   
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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
I do wonder when soccer becomes more popular here what it will be called. Soccer as a term for the sport is pretty ingrained in our culture and football is obviously already taken, so will the soccer/football divide continue to plague American and non-American fans? Should be fun to watch!



Just call it "Foccer".

Problem solved.

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 welshhoppo wrote:
You're just uncultured.


And it's football. You play with your foot, nearly every other country in the world also calls it football.


Doesn't make them right.

But at least soccer isn't as boring to watch as golf. I would rank top boring sports as:
1. Golf
2. Baseball
3. Soccer

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
I think most spectator sports are boring as hell. Except Hockey. Hockey is the gak.


Indeed.

Hockey contains both requirements for me to be interested in watching a sport: Speed and violence.

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 SickSix wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
You're just uncultured.


And it's football. You play with your foot, nearly every other country in the world also calls it football.


Doesn't make them right.

But at least soccer isn't as boring to watch as golf. I would rank top boring sports as:
1. Golf
2. Baseball
3. Soccer


Golf is a sport? I always thought it was some kind of nature documentary?

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 welshhoppo wrote:
 SickSix wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
You're just uncultured.


And it's football. You play with your foot, nearly every other country in the world also calls it football.


Doesn't make them right.

But at least soccer isn't as boring to watch as golf. I would rank top boring sports as:
1. Golf
2. Baseball
3. Soccer


Golf is a sport? I always thought it was some kind of nature documentary?


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I love watching English Premier League Soccer Football, and I really hope Leicester wins it all too!

Fell in love with it while visiting my wife's relatives in England back in '98...

It was interesting to see some storied clubs get relegated or are about to be relegated too.

I really wish that existed for many American Professional leagues too!

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 r_squared wrote:
Top most boring sports list that doesn't include snooker, test cricket or darts? Have a word with yourself.


3 sports that aren't generally televised here in the US.

Though I'd love to get Snooker and Darts. Spent a lot of time at the Snooker hall when I was younger. Played at the same one as Ronnie O'Sullivan.

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Don't tell me that the US wouldn't be able to embrace soccer, this guy already looks American!


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 Alpharius wrote:

Fell in love with it while visiting my wife's relatives in England back in '98...


My wife tolerates my passion for soccer and even let's me watch it on TV when the national team plays or when my MLS team makes the playoff and I ask very nicely and rub her feet .

I've taken her to a few minor league games here in the city, and she has an okay time at them. They were at high school stadiums, so nothing fancy. I've never taken her to one of the MLS games, but I will probably change that this year.

But back in 2008 when we visited Germany I took her a game at the Allianz Arena to watch a Bayern Muenchen game and we sat in the fan section surrounded by the hardcore fans. After that game she was able to understand where my passion comes from and how the rest of the world is able to get this crazy about the sport.

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 r_squared wrote:
Top most boring sports list that doesn't include snooker, test cricket or darts? Have a word with yourself.


Had to look snooker up. So its like pool?
   
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So... I read that whole article, and not once did they mention Dan Cole, Freddie Burns, Jean de Villiers, or even Manu Tuilagi...


Where is the journalistic pride and integrity!? I mean hell, they are saying that they are 1st, when I can clearly see they are sitting at 4th.


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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
 r_squared wrote:
Top most boring sports list that doesn't include snooker, test cricket or darts? Have a word with yourself.


Had to look snooker up. So its like pool?


Kind of, but with a bunch of complications....

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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
 r_squared wrote:
Top most boring sports list that doesn't include snooker, test cricket or darts? Have a word with yourself.


Had to look snooker up. So its like pool?


Yes, but better.

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