Thanks for the replies guy.
Here is the retooled list.
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Gun Tyrant
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
121
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</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
BS+1, S+1, 2 Twin Devourers
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
3
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Tyrant Guard
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
135
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
1
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Flying Tyrant
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
161
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
BS+1, S+1, 2 Twin Devourers, Wings
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
1
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Dakka Fex
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
113
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
BS+1, 2 Twin Devourers
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
1
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Dakka Fex
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
113
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
BS+1, 2 Twin Devourers
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
1
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Dakka Fex
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
113
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
BS+1, 2 Twin Devourers
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
1
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Blaster Carnifex
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
163
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
bs+1, w+1, Venom Cannon
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Barbed Strangler
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
1
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Blaster Carnifex
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
163
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
bs+1, w+1, Venom Cannon
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Barbed Strangler
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
1
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Blaster Carnifex
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
163
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
bs+1, w+1, Venom Cannon
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Barbed Strangler
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
6
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Genestealers
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
120
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Extended Carapace
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
6
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Genestealers
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
120
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
Extended Carapace
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="7%" height=16>
23
</TD> <TD width="83%" height=16>
</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
1485
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</TD> <TD width="11%" height=16>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Shooting kill power has increased from 4.51 MEQs per turn to 15.07 MEQs per turn from my old list. The MEQs kills per turn for the list above was 10.28, so a big improvement within 18", with very small loss at up to 36".
I did run with a hugely expensive winged Tyrant with 2 scytals, I6, WS6, implant attack, etc. He pretty much never made his points back. He was rubbish vs hard units (Like 10 SMs with hidden power fist) and was only good vs 5 man shooty squads, which a 3 attacks winged dakka tyrant can muller just as well. The loss of 1.58 dead MEQs at 18" just isn't worth 0.56 extra dead SMs per turn in close combat, IMO (1.12 per game turn of course). The fact that he can be a cowardly custard and snipe stuff from 18" is mega sweet IMO.
I ran some stats and the dakka tyrant is actually the most efficient infantry killer in the Nids list. He makes his points back in 2.55 turns, which is amazing for such a sturdy unit who is also pretty good in combat. 3.40 turns for the wing tyrant to shoot his points worth of MEQs, but the extra speed + versatility is well worth it IMO.
Yakface, you got anything about the Dakka tyrant being the optimal Tyrant build in any guides you've done? IMO of course.
To be even shootier I could drop the Guard, but nothing else in the list is shooty enough to justify the loss of 6 T6, 3+SV wounds and 9 S5, I5 rending attacks.
Here's some shooting stats I ran. points/ Kill is the pertinent column. Dakka Tyrant rocks!
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</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
Points
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
MEQ kills
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
Points/ Kill
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
Turns to Recover points
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Dakka Tyrant
</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
121
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
3.16
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
38.29
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
2.55
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="21%" height=16>
Wing Dakka
</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
161
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
3.16
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
50.94
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
3.40
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="21%" height=16>
Termagant
</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
6
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
0.13
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
48.00
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
3.20
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="21%" height=16>
Devourer Gaunt 3
</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
10
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
0.19
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
54.00
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
3.60
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="21%" height=16>
Dakka Fex
</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
113
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
1.94
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
58.11
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
3.87
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="21%" height=16>
Spine Gaunt
</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
5
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
0.08
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
60.00
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
4.00
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="21%" height=16>
Devourer Gaunt 2
</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
7
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
0.10
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
68.73
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
4.58
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="21%" height=16>
Devourer Warrior
</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
36
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
0.50
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
72.00
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
4.80
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="21%" height=16>
Gun Fex
</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
163
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
0.97
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
168.04
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
11.20
</TD></TR> <TR> <TD width="21%" height=16>
Pie Fex
</TD> <TD width="16%" height=16>
113
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
0.46
</TD> <TD width="15%" height=16>
244.08
</TD> <TD width="32%" height=16>
16.27
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Still 15 points left as well. Must spend points...
Gazzor