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So Sunday I am playing at local FLGS 1500 pt tourny. I bring my hunter contingent with a stormsurge, but no riptide wing.I didn't want to cheese it up too hard, but still have something to deal with what I see in my local meta.

First game is against 3 knights, and it was a hard fought game, but I pull off the win. The opponent on the table next to me is playing his game, while still complaining about Tau cheese the whole time. He won his game, so we end up having to play each other based on points.

Turn 1 he moves his 2 land raiders and rhino up, pops smoke and says go. I then proceed to move up and start blasting. I do some points to one land raider, I drop anchors on my storm surge, but nothing died. Turn 2 he moves up, disembarks, and then announces tank shock on my anchored stormsurge. I then Death or Glory it, with the D weapon, roll a 6 and the LR explodes violently and he then rage quits.

I mean he packed up, while in charging distance to my stormsurge with all his AP2 weilding termies, and was actually in a position to hurt me. He not only denied me points in the tournament, but denied the third game to his would be opponent as well. His opponent had to sit out the game, and was so bored that he fell asleep on the table watching our game. (the third game was actually quite exciting, I think he was just tired).

So is this normal behavior? I mean is seemed pretty poor form to me. He berated me, my army, and denied games to other players who came to play. This person actually has money and access to way more models than I do, so I am not sure why he would bring a force that can't compete(although in reality I was scared of his assaults). Why blame me because I just happened to pick an army, and practice with it enough to be good. I have seen tau get smacked by good players, so I don't think I can say that anyone who plays Tau should be rage quitted on.

IDK, I was just kind of taken back, and it ruined the tourny for me. Has this happened before to any of you?

Sounds like a total poor sport.

His land raider died. That's what they do in competitive games. Add on, as you say, he STILL had the means to junk punch your stormsurge with his thunderhammers, and he decided to go home and cry.

A tournament is not a pick up game or a friendly. While you don't have to bring a tough list, you damn well be ready to suck it up when someone else does.


Don't waste another minute thinking about it.

Edit: I saw a similar meltdown where the guy just quit on turn 2. "I can't handle that list!" and then proceeded to berate the other guy. I've actually played the other guy twice and found him to be an excellent opponent and a competent one. "No, you can't handle that list. However, there is no reason you should be a poor sport. This is a tournament, not a Candy Land LARP!"

If he was in range to tank shock an anchored Stormsurge then he should of just unloaded and murdered the thing in CC with the passengers inside. Honestly he should of been dancing for joy at you dropping anchor so close to danger instead of keeping the Stormsurge mobile and ready to stomp. Seems really silly to try some gimmick play and get salty when the D weapon kills the Land Raider. No offense but that was a huge throw on your part to drop anchor and he just threw the game right back. Also he can't disembark and tank shock with that transport in the same turn so what he did was not a valid action. Even if he could losing a Land Raider (while extremely costly) is hardly the end of a game as its primary job is to get its contents from point A to B in one piece. If it was a Crusader then it was all but useless at that point as its weapon loadout is basically junk.

I can be a salty player when things don't go well and its an unfortunate side effect of my strong competitive drive but my goal is to always make sure my opponent is having fun and being respectful (I get frustrated at the game, not the player). If I was in a tournament I wouldn't rage quit the whole thing because it ruins the other players experience in the tournament. If I do concede the game I would take the time saved to calm myself and continue on in the tournament just as if I lost that match (if its not single elimination). What that person did is extremely immature and a bad sport. Not even sure why he was openly upset at Tau before even playing against them.

Well it isn't hard to find douche bags in a tournament. I had excellent time during my losses and I had terrible time during my wins and vice versa.
It has happened to me that I met an opponent that I lost to and he was very annoying about his win making various comments and staff while also the dice was favoring him.
Next tournament I met him and proceed to take him apart in 3 rounds. Instead of sucking it up like I did he was whining and finally rage quit on turn 4. I couldn't care less!

Ill just shrug it off then I guess. I mean it wasn't an unbeatable storm surge/riptide wing spam list. It was totally beatable. Skyhammer owned me, thanks to bad interceptor roles.

Just sucked for that last guy, felt bad for him.

Poor sportsmanship. Having seen this in our tourneys here, and we had lots of tourneys. I guess its a phenomenon you cannot avoid. Dont care.

Sounds like a loser, should be barred from future tournament participation because their presence is a waste of time and a fun vortex.

 redleger wrote:
and then announces tank shock on my anchored stormsurge. I then Death or Glory it, with the D weapon, roll a 6 and the LR explodes violently and he then rage quits.

Bit of a segway but how did you D him with death or glory? You need a markerlight hit on the target to convert the missile to D and I don't see how you'd have on in his movement phase unless he tankshocked a marker drone or something.

On topic, as a TO I always tell attendees at the end that it is you all in this room that play in an event that makes it a success. And yes it actually happened to me a couple weeks ago before the game even started and it does tarnish the day for sure.

 winterman wrote:

 redleger wrote:
and then announces tank shock on my anchored stormsurge. I then Death or Glory it, with the D weapon, roll a 6 and the LR explodes violently and he then rage quits.

Bit of a segway but how did you D him with death or glory? You need a markerlight hit on the target to convert the missile to D and I don't see how you'd have on in his movement phase unless he tankshocked a marker drone or something.

On topic, as a TO I always tell attendees at the end that it is you all in this room that play in an event that makes it a success. And yes it actually happened to me a couple weeks ago before the game even started and it does tarnish the day for sure.

I run the short range main weapon that turns into D strength at 10in or less. I rolled my one dice, got a 6 and it went kablooey.

Sad but sometimes those poor sports show up and ruin a day. Sorry you had to deal with that bullgakkery.

How did his quitting deny you points? Shouldn't you have gotten max points for a concession?

Poor sportmanship ruins casual games as well. There is always TFG that has to win no matter the senenio. Poor gamesman that should take up shooting fish in a barrel.

Sad to hear that happen, but on a side note You can not declare tank shock/Ram if you have disembarked/embarked a unit that turn. I believe you can find the exact wording in the BRB in the tank shock/Ram section of the book. If i'm wrong, sorry. I'm at work right now and i'm away from my BRB.

Sounds like a fairly typical poor loser. I don't understand why you didn't receive points for a victory though - that's bad Tournament organization.

 redleger wrote:
So Sunday I am playing at local FLGS 1500 pt tourny. I bring my hunter contingent with a stormsurge, but no riptide wing.I didn't want to cheese it up too hard, but still have something to deal with what I see in my local meta.

First game is against 3 knights, and it was a hard fought game, but I pull off the win. The opponent on the table next to me is playing his game, while still complaining about Tau cheese the whole time. He won his game, so we end up having to play each other based on points.

Turn 1 he moves his 2 land raiders and rhino up, pops smoke and says go. I then proceed to move up and start blasting. I do some points to one land raider, I drop anchors on my storm surge, but nothing died. Turn 2 he moves up, disembarks, and then announces tank shock on my anchored stormsurge. I then Death or Glory it, with the D weapon, roll a 6 and the LR explodes violently and he then rage quits.

I mean he packed up, while in charging distance to my stormsurge with all his AP2 weilding termies, and was actually in a position to hurt me. He not only denied me points in the tournament, but denied the third game to his would be opponent as well. His opponent had to sit out the game, and was so bored that he fell asleep on the table watching our game. (the third game was actually quite exciting, I think he was just tired).

So is this normal behavior? I mean is seemed pretty poor form to me. He berated me, my army, and denied games to other players who came to play. This person actually has money and access to way more models than I do, so I am not sure why he would bring a force that can't compete(although in reality I was scared of his assaults). Why blame me because I just happened to pick an army, and practice with it enough to be good. I have seen tau get smacked by good players, so I don't think I can say that anyone who plays Tau should be rage quitted on.

IDK, I was just kind of taken back, and it ruined the tourny for me. Has this happened before to any of you?

If he rage quits you should moon him and agree that his pathetic play style had no chance. Remind him that in other less civilized times when someone fails as spectacularly as he did, they would fall on their swords to avoid the incredible shame to their family.

Well, you could think that you have maybe given this rather angry fellow pause in playing for a while which may be a boon to the general community.

Some of my fondest memories of gaming is getting a black eye like that Landraider blowing up and proceeding to pull out a win anyway.
The good thing is those who cannot take a setback with good grace and proceed anyway, that guy will never learn how to get out of a tight spot.

What you observed is pure selfish behavior.
You were all there for his enjoyment and it was utterly shocking you did not know your place.

I do find it very surprising someone with that attitude to enter something that competitive: one way or another you will get hammered.

Pay no mind.
There will be more like that fellow, good thing is they usually give it a pass rather than play you again: it is a blessing.

Though I think there's something to be said for it being bad game design and a Negative Play Experience when you simply roll a d6 and someone's big nice thing gets removed from play, that isn't and wasn't your fault, and probably shouldn't have been taken out on you by the player in question.

MVBrandt wrote:
Though I think there's something to be said for it being bad game design and a Negative Play Experience when you simply roll a d6 and someone's big nice thing gets removed from play, that isn't and wasn't your fault, and probably shouldn't have been taken out on you by the player in question.

I've had that happen to me; an Eldar player shot his Wraithknight's D-cannons at my Stormsurge and 6'ed it out on the very first turn of the game. I didn't rage quit or call him a cheater. It happens. It could easily have been the other way around. There is simply no excuse for poor sportsman ship. I mean, we're all supposed to be adults, right?

I have had an opponent rage quit on me once. It might have been at that same tournament as the above incident, but I'm not sure. My opponent was playing Necrons and had a nasty deathstar unit with a bunch of Lychguard and some characters, including that relic thing that lets them deep strike (kind of like Gate of Infinity). He attempted to drop the unit behind my Stormsurge, but he rolled a big scatter and went off the board. He then rolled a 1 on the mishap table, meaning the entire 800-odd point blob was just, well, dead. Instant First Blood and Slay the Warlord. My opponent immediately conceded the game. I used the term "rage quit" kind of loosely, as the guy didn't go and make a total ass of himself (he even shook my hand), but it was obvious that he was pretty unhappy about losing his deathstar, and he did leave the tournament (fortunately no one had to sit out a game because the TO was already having to step in with his ringer army to have an even number of players, so he just stepped out and we went from there).

Sad but can happen. Tau and Eldar are two of the armies that can totally shoot people off the board, even from Turn 1, so I definitely understand where him getting upset can come from.

That being said, I would've played it out unless I had absolutely no chance to win.


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 ZergSmasher wrote:

MVBrandt wrote:
Though I think there's something to be said for it being bad game design and a Negative Play Experience when you simply roll a d6 and someone's big nice thing gets removed from play, that isn't and wasn't your fault, and probably shouldn't have been taken out on you by the player in question.

I've had that happen to me; an Eldar player shot his Wraithknight's D-cannons at my Stormsurge and 6'ed it out on the very first turn of the game. I didn't rage quit or call him a cheater. It happens. It could easily have been the other way around. There is simply no excuse for poor sportsman ship. I mean, we're all supposed to be adults, right?

I have had an opponent rage quit on me once. It might have been at that same tournament as the above incident, but I'm not sure. My opponent was playing Necrons and had a nasty deathstar unit with a bunch of Lychguard and some characters, including that relic thing that lets them deep strike (kind of like Gate of Infinity). He attempted to drop the unit behind my Stormsurge, but he rolled a big scatter and went off the board. He then rolled a 1 on the mishap table, meaning the entire 800-odd point blob was just, well, dead. Instant First Blood and Slay the Warlord. My opponent immediately conceded the game. I used the term "rage quit" kind of loosely, as the guy didn't go and make a total ass of himself (he even shook my hand), but it was obvious that he was pretty unhappy about losing his deathstar, and he did leave the tournament (fortunately no one had to sit out a game because the TO was already having to step in with his ringer army to have an even number of players, so he just stepped out and we went from there).

How did he annihilate your Stormsurge? A 6 on a D weapon does 6+ D6 wounds against GMCs, which you get a 4+ FNP on.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Sad but can happen. Tau and Eldar are two of the armies that can totally shoot people off the board, even from Turn 1, so I definitely understand where him getting upset can come from.

That being said, I would've played it out unless I had absolutely no chance to win.


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 ZergSmasher wrote:

MVBrandt wrote:
Though I think there's something to be said for it being bad game design and a Negative Play Experience when you simply roll a d6 and someone's big nice thing gets removed from play, that isn't and wasn't your fault, and probably shouldn't have been taken out on you by the player in question.

I've had that happen to me; an Eldar player shot his Wraithknight's D-cannons at my Stormsurge and 6'ed it out on the very first turn of the game. I didn't rage quit or call him a cheater. It happens. It could easily have been the other way around. There is simply no excuse for poor sportsman ship. I mean, we're all supposed to be adults, right?

I have had an opponent rage quit on me once. It might have been at that same tournament as the above incident, but I'm not sure. My opponent was playing Necrons and had a nasty deathstar unit with a bunch of Lychguard and some characters, including that relic thing that lets them deep strike (kind of like Gate of Infinity). He attempted to drop the unit behind my Stormsurge, but he rolled a big scatter and went off the board. He then rolled a 1 on the mishap table, meaning the entire 800-odd point blob was just, well, dead. Instant First Blood and Slay the Warlord. My opponent immediately conceded the game. I used the term "rage quit" kind of loosely, as the guy didn't go and make a total ass of himself (he even shook my hand), but it was obvious that he was pretty unhappy about losing his deathstar, and he did leave the tournament (fortunately no one had to sit out a game because the TO was already having to step in with his ringer army to have an even number of players, so he just stepped out and we went from there).

How did he annihilate your Stormsurge? A 6 on a D weapon does 6+ D6 wounds against GMCs, which you get a 4+ FNP on.

Except the fact that FNP cant be taken against strength D

Sqauwky wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
Sad but can happen. Tau and Eldar are two of the armies that can totally shoot people off the board, even from Turn 1, so I definitely understand where him getting upset can come from.

That being said, I would've played it out unless I had absolutely no chance to win.


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 ZergSmasher wrote:

MVBrandt wrote:
Though I think there's something to be said for it being bad game design and a Negative Play Experience when you simply roll a d6 and someone's big nice thing gets removed from play, that isn't and wasn't your fault, and probably shouldn't have been taken out on you by the player in question.

I've had that happen to me; an Eldar player shot his Wraithknight's D-cannons at my Stormsurge and 6'ed it out on the very first turn of the game. I didn't rage quit or call him a cheater. It happens. It could easily have been the other way around. There is simply no excuse for poor sportsman ship. I mean, we're all supposed to be adults, right?

I have had an opponent rage quit on me once. It might have been at that same tournament as the above incident, but I'm not sure. My opponent was playing Necrons and had a nasty deathstar unit with a bunch of Lychguard and some characters, including that relic thing that lets them deep strike (kind of like Gate of Infinity). He attempted to drop the unit behind my Stormsurge, but he rolled a big scatter and went off the board. He then rolled a 1 on the mishap table, meaning the entire 800-odd point blob was just, well, dead. Instant First Blood and Slay the Warlord. My opponent immediately conceded the game. I used the term "rage quit" kind of loosely, as the guy didn't go and make a total ass of himself (he even shook my hand), but it was obvious that he was pretty unhappy about losing his deathstar, and he did leave the tournament (fortunately no one had to sit out a game because the TO was already having to step in with his ringer army to have an even number of players, so he just stepped out and we went from there).

How did he annihilate your Stormsurge? A 6 on a D weapon does 6+ D6 wounds against GMCs, which you get a 4+ FNP on.

Except the fact that FNP cant be taken against strength D

Even for a GMC? Apologize for the question, never run GMC creatures

I thought anchored stormsurge was destroyed when it suffered shock.

FNP rule itself clearly says no FNP when facing the D.

Frazzled wrote:
If he rage quits you should moon him and agree that his pathetic play style had no chance. Remind him that in other less civilized times when someone fails as spectacularly as he did, they would fall on their swords to avoid the incredible shame to their family.

I giggled...

Not the norm. People get salty when someone 1 shots a nice toy be it D or just an explode result.. either way it sucks but packing up and quitting the tourney is a reaction I personally have never seen and I go to 10+ tourneys a year.

Shrug it off.. you play Tau so you are going to get worse reactions from people I would imagine. Tau are the chosen ones for rage at the table.

Be sure to talk to all yer buds and the TO. Get the guy warned by the TO that he shapes up or gets banned. Once more, and not another.

I have had a couple dudes quit turn 1 in 4 years of 3+ GTs a year, and 11+ plus RTTs a year.

One, basically a Rage Quitter that the TO and I talked into playing anyway. This was Brawl in the Fall 2014. Since then, he moved out of Calif, so glad to not see Sirus Chappel anymore (yep, I will out the guy). He didn't want to play against my 6e Serpent Spam when he had Mephy, Chapter Master beat stick (onna bike with buddies), with 2 Contemptor Dreads, and 4+ AV13 Baal Preds. Pot calling the kettle black.



The other guy, got hit Turn 1, pretty hard and I forgive. Sunday morning, Round 4 of a GT (BAO 2013). The Kill Point mission, I meltagun blew up his Land Raider from a Drop Pod crew of SW. Then, with Long Fang PlasmaCannons, erased the Command crew, with 2 ICs in its 'foot print'. Thus:

First Blood - 1 point
LR - 1 point
HQ - 1 point
HQ - 1 point
Cmd Squad - 1 point

He mighta been hung over, or just over whelmed. Either way, he was really demoralized. Polite though. I let it go such that I don't remember his name, other than he's a buddy of Jy2.


So, once a year? Once every two years? Shrug it off, disparage him over beers with *good* sports-buds and keep on playing.

OgreChubbs wrote:
I thought anchored stormsurge was destroyed when it suffered shock.

If the Death or Glory fails.

This isn't 'normal behaviour'. I've seen it happen all of once in ten years, you're not likely to see it much more.

(If you do see it frequently something's wrong and you could stand to reexamine your choice of playgroup/venue)

To the title of this thread. Preach, baby, preach.

In the last two years, I have passed on more tournaments that I'd have usually signed up for because of an absolute whiny Eeyore that I played against and tabled during a game at Acon two years ago. The game was effectively over by the end of my second turn, with only mopping up to do, but for the rest of the game it became bitchfest. I should have enjoyed the victory as my army finally did exactly what it was supposed to do, but I literally just wanted to get it done with once my opponent showed his true colors in the face defeat.

The only bonus was the fact that it was the last game of the tournament and I didn't have to see or hear him after that.

Sorry you also got to enjoy the agony of someone else's defeat.

Playing devil's advocate here, I wonder why trash talking is so frowned upon in 40k tournaments. It's actually a valid tactic to use against your opponent to get under their skin and lose concentration in other sports and games. Even golf supposedly has its fair share despite being a gentlemen's sport.