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Hey guys, sorry to spam lists, I'm just trying to get a feel for something that melds well. I over did it a little with my last one (Golden Host + Intervention Force + Armoured Task Force) haha.

With this one, I need help swapping some things around as I'm 26pts over. Anyone have any suggestions on what I can do with it?


---CAD---

HQ
- Captain w/ Valour's edge, Bolt Pistol, Artificer Armour on a Bike
- Sanguinary Priest on a Bike
ELITE
- Furioso w/ Frag Cannon and Melta in a Drop Pod
- 7x DC w/ 2x Power Weapons, 1x Power Fist and JP's
TROOP
- 10x Tac Marines w/ MM/M in a Drop Pod
- 10x Tac Marines w/ HF/F in a Drop Pod
FAST ATTACK
- 5x Bikes w/ 2x Grav
- 5x Bikes w/ 2x Melta

---Orbital Intervention Force---
- 5x Termies w/ Assault Cannon
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 2x TH/SS, 3x Lightning Claws
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 2x TH/SS, 3x Lightning Claws

So what do you guys think I could do with this list? I need to reduce it by 26pts unfortunately. Maybe get rid of some upgrades or something? Perhaps the DC are better suited somewhere else other than on JP's? The Captain and Sang. Priest will be going together with the Grav bikes most likely. I'm just a bit worried about those DC on Jp's. Only 7 lolling about on the table seems a little dangerous for the poor guys.

Sorry again for the list spamming and thanks for the help

Don't use valor's edge its a trap. Use a power fist.

Don't use 15 terminators. Just don't.

I understand Tiberius wants orbital intervention so to reduce points.. remove 1 power sword from DC. 1 is enough. remove 2-3 thunderhammer & storm shields from assault termies and your set to go. I understand the use of 10man tacticals from combat squad view with CAD's objective secured, but you could always drop that melta squad to 5man with combi-melta and meltagun to get free points to all that and a extra bodies for death company? Dunno if you have fragioso magnetized (mine are). I always take heavy flamer and frag cannon combo for maximum sync & templating with my frag cannon.

I personally like valour's edge, only 5 points more for AP 2 over power sword. I use it with my san priest when points are there to upgragde over stocked chainsword. Great at challenges.

That's my penny of thoughts.

Striking at strength 4 or 5 sucks, though. Valor's edge is a waste of a relic slot.

Why would anyone want to use 15 of the worst things in the codex, though?

BA orbital intervention formation allows charge on the turn the terminators arrive mind, which does help mitigate their terrible-ness.

Are the DC going to jump up the board?

I'd echo Xirax, and probably opt for 2 5-man DC w PF rather than one larger unit.

"which does help mitigate their terrible-ness. "

Only the assault terminators. Which there are ten of, but still. This list is an automatic loss against SW or Tau.

You have mentioned this before Martel that BA struggles against SW, TWC.. What is your recommendation the counter it with the only BA models?

Tiberius501 wrote:
---CAD---

HQ
- Captain w/ Valour's edge, Bolt Pistol, Artificer Armour on a Bike
- Sanguinary Priest on a Bike
ELITE
- Furioso w/ Frag Cannon and Melta in a Drop Pod
- 7x DC w/ 2x Power Weapons, 1x Power Fist and JP's
TROOP
- 10x Tac Marines w/ MM/M in a Drop Pod
- 10x Tac Marines w/ HF/F in a Drop Pod
FAST ATTACK
- 5x Bikes w/ 2x Grav
- 5x Bikes w/ 2x Melta

---Orbital Intervention Force---
- 5x Termies w/ Assault Cannon
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 2x TH/SS, 3x Lightning Claws
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 2x TH/SS, 3x Lightning Claws

Replace Valor's Edge with a Power Fist or Thunder Hammer in my opinion. Putting a Storm Shield on the Captain would be good too to give him a better invulnerable save.

Saving points wise, I think one power weapon the DC is enough. I would take the Multi-Melta away from the Tactical squad since they drop podding in and you'll only be able to snap fire with it. If you really want a second melta in that unit then a combi-melta on the sergeant would be a much better idea. Not only that but it would allow to cut back on this squad by a few marines to bring you back in line points wise.

Martel732 wrote:
"which does help mitigate their terrible-ness. "

Only the assault terminators. Which there are ten of, but still. This list is an automatic loss against SW or Tau.

Ah, didn't see the tacs - shooty ones can shoot twice. Which, erm, helps a worse unit less...

I don't really think a CAD is a strong way to run the not-particularly strong anyway BA, mind.

re. SW/TWC: fast, scouting Baal Pred squadrons / fast Vindicator squadrons?

There is nothing in C:BA that can handle the Space Wolves in any remote way. I recommend a forfeit and save your time.

This list would suck a bag wouldn't it?

---Chapter Ancients---
- Librarian Dread w/ ML2 in a drop pod
- Furioso w/ Frag Cannon, melta in drop pod
- Furioso w/ Frag Cannon, flamer in drop pod

---Orbital Intervention Force---
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x TH/SS, 2x Claws
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x TH/SS, 2x Claws
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x TH/SS, 2x Claws

---CAD--- (not sure how else to add troops)
HQ
- Librarian ML2
TROOP
- 10x Marines w/ HF/F in drop pod
- 9x Marines w/ Melta/Combi-Melta in drop pod
- 9x Marines w/ Grav Cannon in drop pod (where mr Librarian sits)

An even number of pods! :C

is this even at all functional? Haha. I need the troops for scoring while the Termies and Dreads do some Dmg. But I feel like there's just not enough bodies or killy or anti-tank...

Isn't the grav cannon only for devastators or are you meaning that anyways? You're true, not shooty and your CA and OIF are short range threats.

Grav Cannons can be taken now in BA tac squads as well to my knowledge. But yeah, it's not a great list *flips table*

Do you reckon there's a way to make it better but keep the theme? Maybe turn a termie squad into a tactical termie Sqaud with an assault cannon and turn one of the Furiosos into a normal dread with a longer ranged gun?

Grav cannons are not an option for BA tac squads. We get the heavy flamer instead. Which will probably kill more infantry on a drop anyway.

Martel732 wrote:
Grav cannons are not an option for BA tac squads. We get the heavy flamer instead. Which will probably kill more infantry on a drop anyway.

Oh okay, fair enough then. What could I swap the Grav squad out for then? And maybe I could change a furioso to a normal dread with assault cannon and missle launched in a pod?


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Maybe I could:
- Change the Grav cannon then to a heavy flamer and combi flamer
- Change the heavy flamer/flamer squad to a heavy flamer, Grav gun and combat squad them if needed
- Change a furioso to a normal dread w/ assault cannon and missile launcher
- Change an Assault termie squad to a tactical termie squad w/ assault cannon

Fragiosos are decent and perform on drop and they are fluffy. <3
HF+meltagun (+combi-melta) is my recommendation for 10man tac squads, if you don't have the points for full 10man, take sternguard with combi-meltas instead? 5 melta shots and special ammunition is nice.

I actually realized the down tune assault marines got, You could formerly get 3 meltashots with 20 points less from drop pod. Sternguard is the only way for me now on. I'll start adding a sanguinary priest for better durability for the stern.

Don't use suicide sternguard. It's just not a good idea. Adding a priest just means you are throwing away more points. I live for melta drops to come in and pop two Rhinos and then get erased.

okay, how about this:

---CAD---
HQ
- Sanguinary Priest
ELITE
- 6x Sternguard w/ 3x combi-Melta (or 5x Sterngusrd w/ 5x Combis) in drop pod
TROOP
- 10x marines w/ Heavy Flamer/Melta in drop pod
- 10x marines w/ Heavy Flamer/Melta in drop pod

---Chapter Ancients---
- Libbie dread (ML2) in a pod
- Furioso w/ Frag cannon in pod
- Furioso w/ Frag cannon in pod

---Intervention Force---
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x Hammers, 2x Claws
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x Hammers, 2x Claws
- 5x Tactical Termies w/ assault cannon

Single libbies are a waste of time. You're probably better off with a TL LC regular dread.

Librarian dread is a compulsory in chapter ancients? And why use sternguards for rhino popping. Hopefully better targets.

Xirax wrote:
Librarian dread is a compulsory in chapter ancients?

Looking at the Dex, it says it can be any combo of the three types. Though I thought a Libbie dread would be cool to help buff the other two or himself. A TL normal dread will just die instantly won't it and won't really dish out any Dmg. What about an assault cannon/missile launcher one? I'd have a few more points to spend on the sternies to give them a couple more dudes I guess. I do like the Libbie dreads though

Cheapo dreads are just that. Cheapo. And still swing 4 or 5 times at S10 AP 2 in CC.

Should I put the el cheapo dread in a pod still? It's actually only 5 points cheaper to arm him with the TL LC over the Assault Cannon and Missile Launcher


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---CAD---
HQ
- Sanguinary Priest
ELITE
- 8x Sternguard w/ 3x combi-Melta and 1x Heavy Flamer in drop pod
TROOP
- 10x marines w/ Heavy Flamer/Melta in drop pod
- 10x marines w/ Heavy Flamer/Melta in drop pod

---Chapter Ancients---
- Dread w/ Assault Cannon in a pod
- Furioso w/ Frag cannon in pod
- Furioso w/ Frag cannon in pod

---Intervention Force---
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x Hammers, 2x Claws
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x Hammers, 2x Claws
- 5x Tactical Termies w/ assault cannon

If you are using a pod for the dread, use the assault cannon/power fist combo.

Okay so it's either of these:

List 1:

---CAD---
HQ
- Sanguinary Priest
ELITE
- 6x Sternguard w/ 3x combi-Melta (or 5x Sterngusrd w/ 5x Combis) in drop pod
TROOP
- 10x marines w/ Heavy Flamer/Melta in drop pod
- 10x marines w/ Heavy Flamer/Melta in drop pod

---Chapter Ancients---
- Libbie dread (ML2) in a pod
- Furioso w/ Frag cannon in pod
- Furioso w/ Frag cannon in pod

---Intervention Force---
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x Hammers, 2x Claws
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x Hammers, 2x Claws
- 5x Tactical Termies w/ assault cannon

Or List 2:

---CAD---
HQ
- Sanguinary Priest
ELITE
- 8x Sternguard w/ 3x combi-Melta and 1x Heavy Flamer in drop pod
TROOP
- 10x marines w/ Heavy Flamer/Melta in drop pod
- 10x marines w/ Heavy Flamer/Melta in drop pod

---Chapter Ancients---
- Dread w/ Assault Cannon in pod
- Furioso w/ Frag cannon in pod
- Furioso w/ Frag cannon in pod

---Intervention Force---
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x Hammers, 2x Claws
- 5x Assault Termies w/ 3x Hammers, 2x Claws
- 5x Tactical Termies w/ assault cannon

Are these actually even good? Haha