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Wow funded in 10 minutes

Links and more information would be helpful...

So here they are: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-sci-fi-ii-terrain

There seem to be two different designs:

Not often I see a KS I like, but I might just jump in on this one...

So if I read this correct, the only difference is the design on some of the walls- both sets have the same amount of parts, just different designs/ different amounts of certain designs, correct?

And it seems stretch goals include both types of walls?

Gotta say I'm more interested in all the props and dressings more than another set of building materials, but after seeing the post- apocalyptic stuff in person this has me tempted.

I love all the terminals and control panel stuff. Lots of color! Would certainly make my drab unpainted Deadzone buildings much more lively!

Terrain that I don't need to paint? Awesome!

How far would this go in making Zone Mortalis tables?

It's pre punched card.

Not sure anyone mentioned that.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Terrain that I don't need to paint? Awesome!

This is only really partially true..
The edges are pretty bare when you punch this out of the card sheet. If you're not prepared to buy quality art markers and spend a weekend "edging" the punched out elements, you need to be prepared for edges to be sticking out everywhere as fairly obvious cardboard. There are numerous downsides to their system. It's fair that people are prepared for those because ultimately it is pre-printed cardboard. Yes, it's strong but it's also very fiddly. There are also the connectors. I hate them.. with a passion. There's also the layout.. One of the things is that this isn't really a set of buildings so much as a big box of walls, corners, doorways, etc.. SO.. if you're not very good at doing layouts or don't have an imagination worth mentioning, this might also not be the terrain you're hoping for. I have a pretty active imagination and a design background and I still struggle with my Sci-Fi 1 set to try and make a design that isn't just a bunch of random hallways.

Having said all of that.. this system CAN be nice if you are willing to put in the effort. Just understand that what they're showing has been assembled and edged by their artist who has a LOT of experience with this. For the average person this will be very tedious.

I have a 2x EB for now but I'm adding up how much MDF terrain I can buy for the same amount and looking at resin kits too.. and starting to wonder if I shouldn't just buy a table full of one of those sets instead.

Didn't they just end a KS campaign last week?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Didn't they just end a KS campaign last week?

If by end you mean they finished delivery then yes. Their last KS Campaign was their Urban Apocalypse Terrain which ended in October 18, 2015. They finished delivery of it Aug/Sept or around there.

 MLaw wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Terrain that I don't need to paint? Awesome!

This is only really partially true..
The edges are pretty bare when you punch this out of the card sheet. If you're not prepared to buy quality art markers and spend a weekend "edging" the punched out elements, you need to be prepared for edges to be sticking out everywhere as fairly obvious cardboard. There are numerous downsides to their system. It's fair that people are prepared for those because ultimately it is pre-printed cardboard. Yes, it's strong but it's also very fiddly.

Yeah, making these things look good takes time. I picked up 4 sets of the Fantasy terrain for RPG use, and right now I've only got about half of one set done. Between coloring, brushing super glue on the edges, and sealing the entire piece, it takes a lot of time. It is tedious.

 RivenSkull wrote:
Yeah, making these things look good takes time. I picked up 4 sets of the Fantasy terrain for RPG use, and right now I've only got about half of one set done. Between coloring, brushing super glue on the edges, and sealing the entire piece, it takes a lot of time. It is tedious.

That is very true. However it is something only done once. It is also something that makes the pieces durable, last much longer, stronger and once done... the whole system setups nicely.

 MLaw wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Terrain that I don't need to paint? Awesome!

This is only really partially true..
The edges are pretty bare when you punch this out of the card sheet. If you're not prepared to buy quality art markers and spend a weekend "edging" the punched out elements, you need to be prepared for edges to be sticking out everywhere as fairly obvious cardboard. There are numerous downsides to their system. It's fair that people are prepared for those because ultimately it is pre-printed cardboard. Yes, it's strong but it's also very fiddly. There are also the connectors. I hate them.. with a passion. There's also the layout.. One of the things is that this isn't really a set of buildings so much as a big box of walls, corners, doorways, etc.. SO.. if you're not very good at doing layouts or don't have an imagination worth mentioning, this might also not be the terrain you're hoping for. I have a pretty active imagination and a design background and I still struggle with my Sci-Fi 1 set to try and make a design that isn't just a bunch of random hallways.

Having said all of that.. this system CAN be nice if you are willing to put in the effort. Just understand that what they're showing has been assembled and edged by their artist who has a LOT of experience with this. For the average person this will be very tedious.

I have a 2x EB for now but I'm adding up how much MDF terrain I can buy for the same amount and looking at resin kits too.. and starting to wonder if I shouldn't just buy a table full of one of those sets instead.

Aw, they really should be more clear about that. Thanks for the information.
Still, even if it takes some preparation, I am sure it is real quick compared to plastic terrain. I've got a really huge box of Mantic's plastic terrain (they once did a special adepticon deal, it was crazy) and fully painting hundreds and hundreds of plastic walls and floors... Well, colouring and glueing a few edges will be quick and easy in comparison. And even if I lack the time for that, having bare edges is still preferable over having completely grey plastic terrain I guess.
If only I had the money to back this... Why do all good Kickstarters come at the same time?
Ah well. Back to painting I guess.

Lord black fang - yes I received my KS stuff in August.
Very happy with it.

I got in on their first sci-fi kickstarter, very happy with it. Would like to see shots of how their new stuff looks set up with their old, hopefully it doesn't look incongruous.

I ended up pulling my double EB from this one to put on the RUST KS from Impudent Mortal. I think in the long run, more permanent structures are going to be more useful for my purposes.

I like the auto Doctor, for the medlab.

Hay is anyone else looking at this project?

They just funded an add on - for the "Arrival bay" at 100k

Not gonna lie. I've been heavily debating this one. It's a really good deal for the content, which makes me worried it will end up like the Conan board game, and the sheer production number requirements make it show up 2 years from now, haha. It's got 23 days to go.

I've yet to actually buy one of their sets but everytime they're doing a KS I'm super tempted.
This one fits my needs the most so I'll probably spend about 100 pounds for a basic pledge and maybe one or two addons.

Vet Sgt - this is their 4th KS and they have delivered each time.
I have been in for three of them ( including this one) no complaints from me.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Not gonna lie. I've been heavily debating this one. It's a really good deal for the content, which makes me worried it will end up like the Conan board game, and the sheer production number requirements make it show up 2 years from now, haha. It's got 23 days to go.

Yes it's a cracking deal, and if their previous very successful kickstarters are anything to go by, they'll add more value as pledges increase over the next 3 weeks. Their previous kickstarters all delivered as near as dammit on time (ie within a month for by far the majority of backers). There was a slight hiccup for US delivery of their first KS 3 years ago, but they resolved it quickly and haven't made the same mistakes again - ie they've learned from their experience and got was already very good, even better. Their product is top notch and actually improves significantly in quality with each itteration. The graphics on this latest version are just insanely good - the original sci fi looks amazing in the flesh - it was hard to believe it was printed cardstock rather than actual 3d surfaces, but this one (I have seen some of their pre-production work up close) puts that first one to shame.

It's easy to use - easier than the early versions, starting with their urban apocalypse set last year, they did away with the need for ramps at the bottoms of walls, so you can set up a 2x2 table in a very short space of time - with a little practice 15 to 20 minutes for a fairly complicated multi level table, far less for something simple. A core pledge packs into the box it comes in.

You don't need to paint it. Ok, so it is pre-printed cardstock and of course the edges are not painted, but seriously, you'll barely notice once it's set up, and if you really want to you can pen or even paint the edges - there's loads of information on how to do that on their website in their tutorials. Some parts benefit more than others from this treatment - parts like crates, for sure, but walls not so much. Not penning doesn't stop you from playing. I've been using their sci-fi for over 2 years and their fantasy for well over a year - I'm yet to bother penning a single piece. Nobody I've shown it to has ever stopped saying "wow" for long enough to point it out.

Battle Systems as a company is one of those that really sets the bar for how companies should operate on kickstarter. They never stop communicating, they listen to what backers say, to the point of having designed parts from ideas that backers suggested in every KS they've done so far, they address concerns, they join in with banter, and they keep backers posted on progress throughout the entire process. They won terrain of the year for their Fantasy set from the BoW awards last year, and it won't surprise me that their Urban set wins again this year (it will certainly be shortlisted, as the first sci-fi was before it as well).

If you want to see more, Colin was on the Beasts of War weekender last week - it's well worth a watch.

This set can be used for so many games, whether you play 40k killteam, cityscape or spacehulk, even full tabletop since you can build individual buildings with this set and drop them onto a table just as you would any other terrain piece. You could play deadzone, star saga, zombicide, 7tv, pulp alley, AvP, Star Wars, to name a few - it's perfect for Infinity as well.

If you buy into this, you certainly won't regret it.

Here's the new "Arrival bay"

Well...that's encouraging to read. Like others in this thread, I'm debating this one pretty hard - I've gotten into Infinity and have been looking for a terrain system to buy into.

I feel like I read one thing that turns me off this system, and another that pushes me back in the the yes column.

Expensive stuff though. The KS price doesn't seem any cheaper than what they sell the sets for on their site, so in this case it's all about the stretch goals to add value. So I guess I'll continue to keep an eye on it.

One issue is that you'd need one of each type of core set to take full advantage of the stretch goals.

Well it is the same price.. but you do NOT get the stretch goals for free on their own page.

So with all that stuff, the KS set is like 50% more content or so.. maybe even more.

I think you can mix and match the walls even with just a single set. It MIGHT look a tiny bit off, but not that much.
But hey, why not buy 2 sets you get 2 stretch goals for that too!

One thing that strikes me as odd is that each core set only comes with one roof/floor tile. That doesn't seem ideal, especially if the idea is multi-story buildings. Am I missing something with how the system works?

RoninXiC wrote:
Well it is the same price.. but you do NOT get the stretch goals for free on their own page. So with all that stuff, the KS set is like 50% more content or so.. maybe even more.

I think you can mix and match the walls even with just a single set. It MIGHT look a tiny bit off, but not that much.

The Stretch Goals are really what makes the KS itself so much worth it. By the time it is done, there are so many stretch goals that it basically helps create and round it out.

The walls can definitely be mixed. Meaning they are all compatible with each other. Interesting enough it doesn't look too bad when depending on which sections you would mix. I've mixed fantasy set with the scifi set as it moves from a scifi setting to a more of a dungeon/castle setting.

ubik2000 wrote:
One thing that strikes me as odd is that each core set only comes with one roof/floor tile. That doesn't seem ideal, especially if the idea is multi-story buildings. Am I missing something with how the system works?

The floor/roof tile is technically just a roof tile. The floor itself is a playmat so you don't need additional ones for the floor part. One roof itself is normally enough combined with stairs, and the multiple gantry pieces. You can also get a Floor Tiles Pack add-on. I expect probably to see another floor from Stretch Goals or something similar if not another add-on pack.

Well, that's definitely good to know about them.

You're ether a good plant, or exactly the kind of consumer advocate every company wishes to have, haha.

ubik2000 wrote:One thing that strikes me as odd is that each core set only comes with one roof/floor tile. That doesn't seem ideal, especially if the idea is multi-story buildings. Am I missing something with how the system works?

You do actually get 7 roof/floor tiles in the set - 1 large 20cm x 20cm one, and 6 of the smaller 10cm x 10cm ones, plus a host of gantries which are 5cm wide and various lengths all of which can be used individually or combined to create roofs of various sizes. I think Battle Systems tested and just didn't find a need for a second of the large tiles, though they have made them available as an ad-on (which comes with a large tile and 4 of the smaller ones). There may be further add-ons with some of these parts as well.

I can see the need for a couple for individual buildings for sure. The setups that @BS have shown during the KS though only use 1 (and often none) of the big ones. I can see more use for the smaller tiles - you can use them on their own or connect them together to make longer or even odd shaped buildings.

Incidentally, the original sci-fi set had no tiles that big.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Well, that's definitely good to know about them.

You're ether a good plant, or exactly the kind of consumer advocate every company wishes to have, haha.

I'll happily admit to being a satisfied previous customer.

I was just checking out "Miniature scenery" post, for their Peregrine falcon update.
It looks like it may fit in the "Arrival bay"

I am checking with "mouse muffin" on Miniature scenery, on dimensions of the perigrin falcon to see if it may fit in the Arrival bay.