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What a load of gak.

Massive disappointment. I have given up and gone to bed half way through.

The series has vanished up its own arsehole.

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If you talk the truth, I'll be feeling even more glad I haven't attempted to get a TV license to watch it.

A shame though; Sherlock is one of the few TV shows I can be bothered to be interested in.

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Huge, huge disappointment.

I loved the series until now. Suddenly it has become a load of trite teenage moral dilemmas about blah blah blah spoilers.

feth off, Euros Holmes with your pathetic trivial undergrad ethical tests.

feth off, Steve Moffatt. You need a holiday to get some good ideas.

What a load of gak. Really. I can't believe they spent so much money on this and has been trailing it as a kind of James Bond rival. Really. What a load of crap.

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Wow, you really aren't pleased

Obviously you can't really explain it further without spoiling it, so I guess I'll have to find a way to watch it.

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It was so bad that I made a complaint to the BBC.

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Outer Space, Apparently

Was it in the "Dear so-called Top Gear" format?

Seriously though, I have to watch this now!

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Well my other half liked it......

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I enjoy the ride of it, it's enjoyable and the whole cast are fun to watch. But it's illogical and incomprehensible with twists and turns pulled from nowhere. I rather preferred earlier series where they were solving crimes and got you thinking about things as opposed to building some Machiavellian mythos into which the solving crimes are just a backdrop.

I feel there's an aspect of the emperor's new clothes what with all the people on Twitter gushing at how clever it was. It really isn't that well thought through plot wise, but looks great with a great cast.
   
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It was alright, rather silly and the tone was often 'off' but then again Sherlock was never truly great to begin with.

It does annoy me that Dr Watson apparently served in an Infantry Regiment despite being a doctor, an infantry regiment that doesn't exist I might add. That is quite minor compared to some of the other stuff going on though

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Don't British infantry regiments have a medical officer as part of the organization or at least attached?

Back on topic, I've only seen the first two episodes of the new. First was horrid. Second was less horrid but promising not a lot better for the next as it trailed off.

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 privateer4hire wrote:
Don't British infantry regiments have a medical officer as part of the organization or at least attached?


They are attached, all medical officers in the Army have been part of the Royal Army Medical Corps for over 100 years.
I presume that this is a nod to the Conan Doyle books, which were written before the formation of the RAMC, but it annoys me every time I hear it

The BBC doesn't seem to be able to make genuinely good drama programs, or at least they don't appeal to me.

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Sherlock appealed to me when it was about Holmes and Watson solving some moderately believable crimes and mysteries.

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I was trying to work out how the childhood set-up happened.
Spoiler:
Gravestones. Who put them there, and when? She was referring to them when she was 4...?
As for the rooms.

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I enjoyed it. But I was expecting Richard O'Brian to turn up during the puzzle rooms bits...
   
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The first two episodes were pretty dire, particularly the first, which was far too James Bond with its fistfights and explosions and very little detecting anything.

The third I mostly really enjoyed. Euros was a pretty damn good as a villain for most of it, very chilling and intense, and really zooming in on the dynamic between Sherlock, John and Mycroft was great. But....
Spoiler:

The final reveal that Euros was simultaneously a terrified child trapped in a mental prison and a cold, emotionless sociopath totally in control of everything around her. The fact she can just snap between the two at will makes any sympathy she's supposed to gain for the former persona as the latter is still in control whenever she wants it to be.

Maybe there's a good twist in there somewhere, but the final twist was so rushed it lost any impact. It seems that instead of the clever narrative devices of the first couple of series, the twists are now just relying on being so ludicrous you can't see them coming.


So yeah, the series has gone 1/3 overall...

What is clear is that they absolutely cannot make any more. It's obvious the writers are running out of ideas, it's lost any semblance of being a detective show and all the characters are totally played out now.

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Yeah, not gonna lie didn't like the final episode at all. A beyond intelligent woman that can solve crimes/predict terrorist attacks from a cell on an island and she spends here time carrying out experiments that are addressed in A-Level sociology text books.

Spoiler:
I'd say it concludes whether Moriarty is dead, but he'll be back if they get another series - if!


I wasn't that keen on S4Ep1 as it went way beyond Detective/Thriller territory and was more Hollywood but at least the agrivating Mrs. Watson was taken out of the picture, or so I thought.

S4Ep2 was an improvement.

Alas S4Ep3 was a vast disappointment.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Sherlock appealed to me when it was about Holmes and Watson solving some moderately believable crimes and mysteries.


This. Seasons 1-3 had a decent amount of this. The banter between the two was playful and funny.

Season 4 has been absolute gak. Did the previous head writer die or have a stroke? Is he/she writing teenage emo gak to impress their teenage kids so they think dad/mom is cool?

I'd rather watch the Texans pitiful performance this weekend over and over.

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Same writers, Steve Moffat and Mark Gatiss, both of whom have written many excellent pieces of work.

Mark Gatiss, for instance, was one of the League Of Gentleman, and did some awesome dark comedy. Gatiss has written a couple of really good Doctor Who episodes.

Moffat has written a lot of Doctor Who, much of it good. Moffatt has been increasingly criticised for his Doctor Who over the past couple of years. (So was Russell T Davies, who led the relaunch of Doctor Who in the mid-2000s.)

It seems as if these guys gradually get too absorbed in their own wonderful cleverness when their shows are critically and popularly acclaimed, and forget they are supposed to be writing for a broad audience.

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It certainly went full emo. Never go full emo.

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I think the fact Moffat is leaving the Who job after this next series has a lot to do with it. Combine that with the fact that Sherlock won't be back any time soon (if at all) due to Cumberbatch and Freeman's careers taking off and it seems like he's just on one last ego trip to prove his exceptional cleverness, but to do so he's just taken a show that used to be very cleverly done and thrown it into the realms of fantasy with ludicrous supervillains and James Bond action sequences.

The real shame is that in at least 2/3 episodes this series there were some very interesting ideas. The second one I think would have worked far better if it turned out Toby Jones's character wasn't actually a killer, that Sherlock was utterly lost in his self-destructive spiral and had missed the point completely. The fact that he was ultimately a pantomime villain maniac and that Sherlock was right the whole time rendered everything else in the episode kind of pointless. The third episode just needed a more fleshed out resolution and it would have been fine. The first needs a lot more to save it, it was just bad.

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I actually just started watching this show on Netflix. First episode was good, probably going to do a couple a week. Gotta find out if the GF is on board and I gotta wait, or if I get to binge em myself.

Do Khan and Bilbo stick around for the whole series? I was kinda surprised they were in it, but it started a few years back so maybe they weren't as well known back then?

Either way, I enjoyed it.. a lot more than the Robert Downey Jr movies.

 
   
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Sherlock was Cumberbatch's big break. Martin Freeman was already established. The Office put him on the map.

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Wait, they didn't even continue the whole Moriarty stick? I haven't bothered to watch it yet, the preview felt to off from the first and second season, which I liked a lot.

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Wait, they didn't even continue the whole Moriarty stick? I haven't bothered to watch it yet, the preview felt to off from the first and second season, which I liked a lot.


Nah, they kept up the Moriarty stuff, just a poor resolution of it.

 
   
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That's dumb. Building all that up at the end of S3 and then go "Nope". Doesn't sound like this was a good season.

It was fun when it was still them solving just murders with kinda a overlapping story. S4 sounds like it's a M.Night Shyamalan movie at the moment. With it's weird plotholes and twists and turns that don't really make sense.

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Oh, and the special effects of the explosion and the jumping through the window at 221B Baker Street in that episode was less "special" and more "dumb as feth."

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Only watched a couple of the episodes so far. It's not bad, certain ly very watchable, but as said above don't think as good as the earlier episodes

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I really did love Sherlock. One of the few shows I actually did watch on telly. Emphasis did.
Kilkrazy wrote:Sherlock appealed to me when it was about Holmes and Watson solving some moderately believable crimes and mysteries.
This is the issue. The long wait between seasons for three sub-par episodes and another indefinite hiatus did no favours too.

The first episode felt flawed in so many places. Little emphasis on certain points, a rushed story that had little merit. Killing off a somewhat decent character (even if she did make Watson very much irrelevant). Not to mention omnipotent Sherlock. Will address later.

Second episode - I made a remark about it which I quickly found myself saying throughout and in the next episode - "Tumblr will be all over this." The strong emphasis on mental illness, drug abuse, and suicide especially isn't necessarily a bad thing. Hell, I'd know about that. But in how it played out, with Sherlock actually solving the case, doesn't solve anything. If anything, it's saying that drug abuse and an unstable mind is good, because Sherlock used it and it worked. It would have been a lot better if he was actually wrong, and his mind was just going haywire. I felt it added very little, and almost felt like pandering to, for want of another term, Tumblr.
The villain was exceptionally stupid. Sherlock giving it all about how he's a monster and the worst thing he's ever faced is a massive insult to Moriarty: Culverton barely scratches the surface of Moriarty. I'm still not exactly sure how Sherlock even found out he was a murderer, with the plot tweeeeeests that made very little sense, and the villain just outright confessing his crime to a group of his friends for... plot reasons?
At this point, I noticed more than ever before that Sherlock's abilities are tied to the plot rather than any actual logic or possible ability. He's omniscient, and with that, he loses all sense of being a detective. There's no explanation - he just knows. And that's very unsatisfying.

Third episode was the best of the three, in my opinion. Not exactly a high bar though. My main fault was with numerous plot holes.
You're telling me Sherlock Holmes can't tell if he's looking through a clear frame or a glass wall?
You mean to say he can't recognise that he's been mentally conditioned? Even after all he's ever read on it?
No-one in the Holmes family has ever talked about Eurus at any time around him? Ever? He's never known?
Sherlock doesn't make the logical deduction about Redbeard, even knowing full well his dad was allergic to dogs?
He can solve the gravestone issue (how does Eurus plan this anyway? Massive plot hole) in a matter of seconds but can't in his entire life whilst at the house?
How does the child/Eurus even make sense? How can't he tell the difference (or rather, similarity) between voices?
Mycroft is an absolute idiot. He's meant to be smart, for feth's sake.
Eurus is conflicting. At times, she's the most Powerful Mind in the World, but she uses basic moral problems, which Sherlock would doubtless have solved hypothetically, and is then a child.
Wasn't Watson chained to the bottom of the well? How would ropes get him out? And it's rather convenient it was raining that night.
And you're telling me that there's no record of "Redbeard" anywhere?

The only reason Eurus is successful is because the smart characters are dumbed down for the sake of the plot. Sherlock's deduction and logic are reduced. Mycroft's near-safety paranoia is turned off for the sake of Moriarty (who did have a great entrance, IMO, but felt fan-service-y) and the clown scene at the start (seriously? No guards?!). Eurus is only competent because the script dictates it, and Sherlock and Mycroft are nerfed in order to even have the encounter.

Too many plotholes. Trying to be complex, but it's just getting convoluted.
If anyone has any answers to my points, I'll gladly hear them.

Still, I maintain that John is my favourite character. Martin Freeman portrays him so well, and is certainly one of the main positive points about the entire show.
The sooner it goes back to what it was, Sherlock and John solving crimes with somewhat believable deductions and events, the better. If not, maybe it's better it ends on the very final note it had.


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Well, for a start, Eurus didn't make up the gravestones - they were already there. She made up the song to fit the already pre-existing code.
   
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finally caught up, and really wished I hadn't, the first two seasons were cracking and to be honest I'd have been happy if it had ended there, the cracks started to show in season 3 and it went bad fast from there

I just got the feeling that Not So Grand Moff just spews down idea's and then tries to figure out if they belong in Doctor Who or Sherlock, whereas the correct answer is at least 60% belong in the bin, it's a real shame but on the upside if you want a Sherlock like show fully embracing its own sillyness try watching Lucifer

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