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Looks like Battlefront has their release schedule up for V4, and it looks very interesting. Most surprisingly, it appears to include plastic infantry, which was officially declared not to happen by Pete. Miss-print or Christmas in May?
http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=5457

It looks like The War Store might have given us an additional sneak peak, with their pre-order list for TANKS!
http://www.thewarstore.com/battlefront-flames-of-war-miniature-preorder.html

July
US Stuart
US M3A1 Sherman

August
US Priest
US Lee

Any finally, TWS is also accepting pre-orders for the free V4 rules for early and late war.
http://www.thewarstore.com/Free-Battlefront-version-four-rulebooks.html

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M3A1 Sherman?

I'm guessing that's a typo...

^^;;

On a more serious note, interesting news about the plastic infantry. Hopefully that's not a mistake.
   
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Virginia

Eumerin wrote:
M3A1 Sherman?

I'm guessing that's a typo...


Good catch, I missed that, but it's not a typo on my end. I did a search for GF9 TANKS47 and it comes out as M3A1 Sherman in other places as well, so it's propagated pretty far.
   
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I just wish I knew what V4 was going to do to the player-base, locally, and otherwise.

I literally just spent $300 getting into FoW, haven't even assembled my first models yet, and now I don't know if any of those models are even decent any more, nor if the cranky local players will follow through on their threats to bail out of the game because it is changing.

11527pts Total (7400pts painted)

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Scotland

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I just wish I knew what V4 was going to do to the player-base, locally, and otherwise.

I literally just spent $300 getting into FoW, haven't even assembled my first models yet, and now I don't know if any of those models are even decent any more, nor if the cranky local players will follow through on their threats to bail out of the game because it is changing.


I'm concerned about this as well. The FoW players in my club are primary MW desert players and the players without British or German armies are not very happy. I've asked on the official forum if we'll get some basic lists to tide them over until they get their books. Otherwise we're going to have players whose armies have no rules for many months judging by this release schedule.

I found some 9 years old FoW desert starter sets in my lead pile and have been viewing this as a good chance to get into that theatre but now I'm worried it'll end up a mess.
   
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Take a look a the battlegroup books by iron fist if you haven't already guys. That's what I'm using now instead of fow. Just sticking with team yankee now from battlefront.
   
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 durecellrabbit wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I just wish I knew what V4 was going to do to the player-base, locally, and otherwise.

I literally just spent $300 getting into FoW, haven't even assembled my first models yet, and now I don't know if any of those models are even decent any more, nor if the cranky local players will follow through on their threats to bail out of the game because it is changing.


I'm concerned about this as well. The FoW players in my club are primary MW desert players and the players without British or German armies are not very happy. I've asked on the official forum if we'll get some basic lists to tide them over until they get their books. Otherwise we're going to have players whose armies have no rules for many months judging by this release schedule.



If worst comes to worst, I imagine that it'll be possible to kludge something together. It's not as if the organizational structure of the units will change, after all.

The kicker to all of this is that MidWar is part of the reason why V4 is showing up now instead of later. It was widely acknowledged that the MW lists had problems with V3, but BF had trouble figuring out how to approach the issue. We'll see how this works out in V4.
   
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Eumerin wrote:
If worst comes to worst, I imagine that it'll be possible to kludge something together. It's not as if the organizational structure of the units will change, after all.

Wrong. There was a draft review of the new Afrika Corps book posted over on the WWPD website that has since been pulled. It included copies of the company and platoon diagrams from the new book. They are very different in organization than the old v3 North Africa book. Smaller infantry platoons, fewer options, fewer support choices, If you want to include anything except the six lists in these two books (that means three lists per book) you will need to stick with the old North Africa book, and probably the old v3 rules.
   
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 mdauben wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
If worst comes to worst, I imagine that it'll be possible to kludge something together. It's not as if the organizational structure of the units will change, after all.

Wrong. There was a draft review of the new Afrika Corps book posted over on the WWPD website that has since been pulled. It included copies of the company and platoon diagrams from the new book. They are very different in organization than the old v3 North Africa book. Smaller infantry platoons, fewer options, fewer support choices, If you want to include anything except the six lists in these two books (that means three lists per book) you will need to stick with the old North Africa book, and probably the old v3 rules.


Again, I disagree. BF followed a pattern when they built the new lists. It shouldn't be hard to unravel the pattern (since we know the starting point) and build provisional lists for the other nations.
   
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Eumerin wrote:
 mdauben wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
If worst comes to worst, I imagine that it'll be possible to kludge something together. It's not as if the organizational structure of the units will change, after all.

Wrong. There was a draft review of the new Afrika Corps book posted over on the WWPD website that has since been pulled. It included copies of the company and platoon diagrams from the new book. They are very different in organization than the old v3 North Africa book. Smaller infantry platoons, fewer options, fewer support choices, If you want to include anything except the six lists in these two books (that means three lists per book) you will need to stick with the old North Africa book, and probably the old v3 rules.


Again, I disagree. BF followed a pattern when they built the new lists. It shouldn't be hard to unravel the pattern (since we know the starting point) and build provisional lists for the other nations.

My original post was to your statement that organizational structure of the units won't change. There is no area for disagreement there. They did change... drastically IMO.

As far as using what they did to the three lists in the DAK book to somehow extrapolate what to do to the other lists (including changes in platoon structure, company structure and point values), I certainly didn't see a pattern that could be used to re-write other lists. Unless "reduce the stand count on some platoons, remove the options from other platoon, and remove most of the support choices from the company" is a pattern you can somehow use .

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Does this mean the boxes I found are wrong? The German one has 12 MG teams, 2 command MG teams, 2 command SMG teams, 3 Kfz15, 1 motorcycle, 4 Kfz70 and 15 cwt trucks.
   
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 durecellrabbit wrote:
Does this mean the boxes I found are wrong? The German one has 12 MG teams, 2 command MG teams, 2 command SMG teams, 3 Kfz15, 1 motorcycle, 4 Kfz70 and 15 cwt trucks.

The DAK infantry company in the new FOW midwar book appear to be a German DAK Schützenkompanie, although they just call it a Rifle Company in the new book. The new organization has less MG teams and no transports at all. It sounds like you have enough MG teams for all three rifle platoons (two mandatory, one optional). You would be short one command MG team for the third platoon. You would also need to scrounge up one 8cm Mortar team for each platoon. One last thing, there is a required AT gun platoon, too (the AT guns used to be options within the rifle platoons).

You might me able to use the transports in some other platoon, but without the book in grant of me I can't say which.
   
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 KillerAngel wrote:
Looks like Battlefront has their release schedule up for V4, and it looks very interesting. Most surprisingly, it appears to include plastic infantry, which was officially declared not to happen by Pete. Miss-print or Christmas in May?


Plastic British infantry has been confirmed. Plastic DAK infantry was apparently a cut and paste error.
   
 
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