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I think we've all read a piece of fluff that has irritated and bothered us a lot.

For me it would be the library-burning segment, where teams of revisionist censors physically burn down library shelves in the library itself and any hapless library patrons along with it.
That is just too comically grimdark and silly to me.

Which piece of fluff has irked you the most?

Pretty much everything released in the last couple of months.

The retcon and rewriting of Khaine's battle with Slaanesh to sandwich Khorne in there for no good reason.

It smacks of some Khornate fanboi struggling with his sexual identity barging in and scribbling in (red) crayon over an excellent piece of writing with 'KHORNE IS GR8 BCAUSE MANLY MAN STUFF, TAKE THAT PRISSY SPACE ELVES AND WEIRD PINK LADY. NO MORE FEELING INSECURE ABOUT MY MASCULINITY NOW HAHA!'.

Honestly. Show me another codex where your main guy is duking it out in an epic duel to the death with your race's mortal enemy...then some other bloke wanders in, hits each of them over the head with a hammer and sods off.

It's the fluff equivalent of having the ultimate showdown between Horus and Sanguinius upon the Vengeful Spirit...and then Leman Russ barges in shouting something about wolves and punches Horus in the face...meanwhile Sanguinius dies anyway because of the sheer manly aura that Russ is emitting from the weird furry tail thing jutting suspiciously out of his rectum...

Jeez that was cathartic. Thanks guys

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

Honestly. Show me another codex where your main guy is duking it out in an epic duel to the death with your race's mortal enemy...then some other bloke wanders in, hits each of them over the head with a hammer and sods off.

Try Fall of Cadia.

Bloodtide. And I'm not laying the blame exclusively on Ward's shoulders either, the other two schmucks probably share more of the blame for it, really, given the details that came out later on.

 MarsNZ wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

Honestly. Show me another codex where your main guy is duking it out in an epic duel to the death with your race's mortal enemy...then some other bloke wanders in, hits each of them over the head with a hammer and sods off.

Try Fall of Cadia.

You mean the story where the guard took more beating to break down than a fething planet?

Just think of it: Cadia broke while the 8th stood the line against a horde of CSM/Daemons. A world broke before the guard. That's one hell of an achievement.

They ultimately did what a guardsman must do: they died standing, and a world perished before them.

 MarsNZ wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

Honestly. Show me another codex where your main guy is duking it out in an epic duel to the death with your race's mortal enemy...then some other bloke wanders in, hits each of them over the head with a hammer and sods off.

Try Fall of Cadia.

Yeah. Crap isn't it?

FoC's also got the 'saved by the Eldar!!1!!' trope going for its irritation levels, that by this point has become more of a 'I wonder at which point in the plot this will occur' rather than any sort of unexpected twist...

Huh. Turns out I've got a couple of bugbears...

Any time the Ork 'gestalt psychic field' comes up. Because the world is full of smarta**es that conclude that means a stick will fire bullets if enough Orks think it's a gun, and everything collapses in an endless pile of moronic giggling.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:


Yeah. Crap isn't it?

FoC's also got the 'saved by the Eldar!!1!!' trope going for its irritation levels, that by this point has become more of a 'I wonder at which point in the plot this will occur' rather than any sort of unexpected twist...

Huh. Turns out I've got a couple of bugbears...

Actually for me it was the presence of the Necrons, GW takes every opportunity they can to hamfist Necrons into every major galactic event. Doesn't help that I dislike almost everything about that faction in the first place.

Death Masque.... Because finding a dead harlequin after a bolter shell rips half it's torso off looking at a direction it's clear indication of their true purpouses.

Oh Artemis tactical genius indeed and his dirty Harry moment, *screw you boss i'm going wherever i want, whenever i want* after that in the Corvus made it looks like the whole thing was written by a 10 year old

The part where in the last 3 editions Eldrad has been dead, alive, dead, crystal, and then alive again.

Or, and this is my favorite, realizing the shard of the Eldar god of war, the literal incarnation of the wrath of an entire species, is basically a yellow shirt away from being a Klingon and wielding a bat'leth.

Anything Mat Ward ruined by touching. Particularly the needing of old Grey Knights fluff to create stupid new fluff. And though he's a powerhouse on the table, I loathe Kaldor Draigo's fluff. I mean if you get that close to a daemon primarch(especially mortarion) you better kill him or that mother trucker is going to hunt you down for the rest of eternity.

Personally, the way the Great Beast dies in the Beast Arises series.

 Glitcha wrote:
Personally, the way the Great Beast dies in the Beast Arises series.

This. Shadow of Ullanor, as well as LSoD's finale, was a massive mistake. It took away from a possibly gripping development and fleshing of the events of The beheading.

 Melissia wrote:
Bloodtide. And I'm not laying the blame exclusively on Ward's shoulders either, the other two schmucks probably share more of the blame for it, really, given the details that came out later on.

I would love to hear these details. Have you got a link?


Personally, the Newcrons are my least favorite. I don't want to start that argument again, but for me the Oldcron Codex was the keystone in the whole greater mythology of the series.

I guess the new Gathering Storm book has the potential to be worse. If the Emperor is getting tabletop rules, does that mean they sharded him?

 Ynneadwraith wrote:


Honestly. Show me another codex where your main guy is duking it out in an epic duel to the death with your race's mortal enemy...then some other bloke wanders in, hits each of them over the head with a hammer and sods off.

The entire nid codex

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Glitcha wrote:
Personally, the way the Great Beast dies in the Beast Arises series.

This. Shadow of Ullanor, as well as LSoD's finale, was a massive mistake. It took away from a possibly gripping development and fleshing of the events of The beheading.

Personally, I wish if they would confirm if the rest of the beasts were still alive. It would at lease give the writers the ability to do a Second War of the beast.

Also, not really on a fully point, but during this whole year of black library releasing these books, they could have release a campaign book for the Beast arises series. Adding the characters to the game, special units, and missions.

Draigo being able to rip open a Daemon Primarch's chest infuriates me to no end.

It just makes it personal that it happened to be the liege lord of my main Legion.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Bloodtide. And I'm not laying the blame exclusively on Ward's shoulders either, the other two schmucks probably share more of the blame for it, really, given the details that came out later on.

I would love to hear these details. Have you got a link?

Not on me. But supposedly, Ward wanted to make that a 3 page spread which more detail that made the Sisters look less like chumps, but the other two authors (Cruddace and Kelly) insisted on cutting it down and overruled him.

The Horus Heresy books.

I hate Imperial knights

 Melissia wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Bloodtide. And I'm not laying the blame exclusively on Ward's shoulders either, the other two schmucks probably share more of the blame for it, really, given the details that came out later on.

I would love to hear these details. Have you got a link?

Not on me. But supposedly, Ward wanted to make that a 3 page spread which more detail that made the Sisters look less like chumps, but the other two authors (Cruddace and Kelly) insisted on cutting it down and overruled him.

Ah, expediency over art.

"Guys, I really think you need all six words to tell the whole story. 'For sale: baby shoes, never worn.'"

"Stuff it, Hemmingway. We're printing it as 'dead babies' and that's final."

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Glitcha wrote:
Personally, the way the Great Beast dies in the Beast Arises series.

This. Shadow of Ullanor, as well as LSoD's finale, was a massive mistake. It took away from a possibly gripping development and fleshing of the events of The beheading.

Yeah, there were a few gems here and there about the potential backgrounds of Ork Klan origins, and they could have delved into it so much more. But alas, the spotlight always has to revolved around marines and that's what we were given sadly.

Never really had gripes with 40k lore, apart from the disintegration of the Imperial Truth making out almost everyone in the Imperium as babbling dogmatic morons. I think it's a combination of me not feeling qualified enough to tell lore writers that they've written nonsense in a far future, over the top fantasy universe, and that I've always been open to potential, such as incredibly unlikely alliances between factions (i.e. Blood Angels fighting with Necrons); I feel that, in a galaxy plagued by war from corner to corner, almost anything is possible.

I don't excuse poor writing though - if you're going to write something out of the ordinary, it needs to sound realistic in terms of what's happening, and thus be convincing to even the most xenophobic reader

G.A

Cain, mainly him vs CSM (it's like a Chimera taking out a Macharius 1v1. It just ain't right)

The Beast series went way too far. All it did was to make the 'Great Ork' Ghazghkull look completely meaningless.

The killing off of Alpharius. >:|

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
The retcon and rewriting of Khaine's battle with Slaanesh to sandwich Khorne in there for no good reason.

It smacks of some Khornate fanboi struggling with his sexual identity barging in and scribbling in (red) crayon over an excellent piece of writing with 'KHORNE IS GR8 BCAUSE MANLY MAN STUFF, TAKE THAT PRISSY SPACE ELVES AND WEIRD PINK LADY. NO MORE FEELING INSECURE ABOUT MY MASCULINITY NOW HAHA!'.

Honestly. Show me another codex where your main guy is duking it out in an epic duel to the death with your race's mortal enemy...then some other bloke wanders in, hits each of them over the head with a hammer and sods off.

It's the fluff equivalent of having the ultimate showdown between Horus and Sanguinius upon the Vengeful Spirit...and then Leman Russ barges in shouting something about wolves and punches Horus in the face...meanwhile Sanguinius dies anyway because of the sheer manly aura that Russ is emitting from the weird furry tail thing jutting suspiciously out of his rectum...

Jeez that was cathartic. Thanks guys

I thought Khorne fought Slaanesh for Khaine?


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 Melissia wrote:
Bloodtide. And I'm not laying the blame exclusively on Ward's shoulders either, the other two schmucks probably share more of the blame for it, really, given the details that came out later on.

what about Bloodtide? (do you hate)


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deathmagiks wrote:
realizing the shard of the Eldar god of war, the literal incarnation of the wrath of an entire species, is basically a yellow shirt away from being a Klingon and wielding a bat'leth.

what do you mean?


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 General Annoyance wrote:
the disintegration of the Imperial Truth making out almost everyone in the Imperium as babbling dogmatic morons.
I don't excuse poor writing though - if you're going to write something out of the ordinary, it needs to sound realistic in terms of what's happening, and thus be convincing to even the most xenophobic reader

I agree.

I've found that there were things I thought I hated when I first started getting into 40k, but eventually I came back and read the things I hadn't liked again, and I can't really find anything I hate anymore. There's some stuff that isn't my cup of tea, but I can still recognize the objective quality of the writing.

Yeah, I can't really think of any fluff I'd identify as 'hating' these days.

Anything Ork-related.

Anything featuring godly Marines (and Primarchs) who could never be threatened by normal humans.

 MarsNZ wrote:


Actually for me it was the presence of the Necrons, GW takes every opportunity they can to hamfist Necrons into every major galactic event. Doesn't help that I dislike almost everything about that faction in the first place.

Oh god yeah that is bad. 'Oh and by the way Trazyn's here! Why? We just think he's neat. That's all'

Maximus Bitch wrote:


I thought Khorne fought Slaanesh for Khaine?

Yeah that's the new sh*tty fluff. Before they shoehorned Khorne in there it was simply a battle between Khaine and Slaanesh. Infinitely better.

 Melissia wrote:
Bloodtide. And I'm not laying the blame exclusively on Ward's shoulders either, the other two schmucks probably share more of the blame for it, really, given the details that came out later on.

Yeah, that's pretty awful probably in my top 5 worse GW lore, don't think it tops back flipping space marines with multilasers though, but it gets pretty close.