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Sev deserves artificer armor and a more reliable ap2, who agrees!!!

Not every first captain is the beatstick people want them to be. The character as is nicely reflects what we've seen of him in Prince of Crows, all you need to do is imagine the snark and deadpan.

Only problem is sev is suposta be a one of the greatest fighters just under sigismund snd the gap between them is quite huge


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Currently he sometimes has problems dealing with normal sergeants, especialy when he doesent get his psycic power off

 BrookM wrote:
Not every first captain is the beatstick people want them to be. The character as is nicely reflects what we've seen of him in Prince of Crows, all you need to do is imagine the snark and deadpan.

The fluff explicitly portrays him as being a beatstick.

This is the man who stalemated Sigismund in a duel. Sigismund.

Sigismund is too good really, eternal warrior and ap2 instant death, everyone bar primarchs suffer by comparison. In the fluff, Kharn, Sev, and Abaddon would all give him a run for his money. On the table they'd just get battered, probably without causing a wound. He's about right, sigi is just OTT.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Not every first captain is the beatstick people want them to be. The character as is nicely reflects what we've seen of him in Prince of Crows, all you need to do is imagine the snark and deadpan.

The fluff explicitly portrays him as being a beatstick.

This is the man who stalemated Sigismund in a duel. Sigismund.

Yeah he one of a very very small club to not get beaten by the Emperors champion.
Its a rather prestigious membership.

He took down some 20 traitor champions in the siege... And no doubt not exactly minor combatants.

 JamesY wrote:
Sigismund is too good really, eternal warrior and ap2 instant death, everyone bar primarchs suffer by comparison. In the fluff, Kharn, Sev, and Abaddon would all give him a run for his money. On the table they'd just get battered, probably without causing a wound. He's about right, sigi is just OTT.

Ehhhhhh, it's not even that really.

Sevetar is just a garbage duelist due to having no AP2. You can not be a good duelist if you lack AP2. Even a PF sergeant with artificer armor has a very decent chance of outright killing Sevetar in a challenge.

"Dirty Fighter" should have made his attacks AP2 in a challenge, instead of bestowing instant death.

Yes, he should have artificer armor. If not a standard AP2, maybe improve his chainglaive so it rends on 5+ rather than just a natural 6?

Sigismund is the best marine combatant, hands down, a lot of which is due to having Eternal Warrior (both Kharn and Abaddon should probably have this rule).

Custodian Tribunes or Scoria could eat him up in short order, but those guys can stand up to and potentially beat Primarchs, so....

i think giving him atificer and making his rending on 5+ normally and 4+ in a challenge would make him plenty killy without becoming a sigismund.

HandofMars wrote:
Yes, he should have artificer armor. If not a standard AP2, maybe improve his chainglaive so it rends on 5+ rather than just a natural 6?

Sigismund is the best marine combatant, hands down, a lot of which is due to having Eternal Warrior (both Kharn and Abaddon should probably have this rule).

Custodian Tribunes or Scoria could eat him up in short order, but those guys can stand up to and potentially beat Primarchs, so....

Sigmund doesn't even stand a chance vs tribunes Valdor scoria even the weakest primarchs kills him without much effort. In comparison Sigmund isn't much less than Valdor or the tribune and they are substantially better fighters rules wise than he is.

Digging this one out of the dirt for my favourite first captain.

I'd agree that an armour save of 2+ is more reasonable given that standard legion Preators get this basic. His model looks like its in artificer anyway!

Following that; instant death is nice when in a challenge, but as the Chainglaive is AP3 that still gives a Preator a 2+ AS. Dirty Fighter being applicable in a challenge only, yeah ok, but I have no reason to even put Sev up against a PW sergeant let alone anyone better than that as its too risky.

Although that being said; the combined rules of Master of the Atramentar and Precision Strikes give Sev off as an man to chew through normal legionaries, having his Atramentar pop in and deal with anything AP2/4++.

(Exactly like he did in Prince of Crows - taking out two of the Kryptotera)

I agree he's a bit lack-luster and is also missing some force multiplying abilities.

Another reason that HH needs to go 8th ed.

 More Dakka wrote:
I agree he's a bit lack-luster and is also missing some force multiplying abilities.

Another reason that HH needs to go 8th ed.

Umm... no, not a reason at all for that. A reason he needs to be tweaked, like they announced their doing with Book 8.

Wasn't aware they mentioned that. I know FW does a good job updating their army lists with new releases, but didn't recall that he was on the list for that.

2+ armor, or a 3+ invul in CC would be nice. His lack of AP2.. well that's just part of using a Chain Glaive.

What he should have is straight murderous strike, rather than on challenges only.

Unfortunately, every named character in the fluff is the best of the best of the best. I can't think of a time when I have ever read a bit of fluff that described a named character as "weak in melee skills" or "lackluster tactical thinking" or "barely gets by".

 More Dakka wrote:
Wasn't aware they mentioned that. I know FW does a good job updating their army lists with new releases, but didn't recall that he was on the list for that.

2+ armor, or a 3+ invul in CC would be nice. His lack of AP2.. well that's just part of using a Chain Glaive.

What he should have is straight murderous strike, rather than on challenges only.

Nightlords are getting revamped, and Dark Mechanicum are getting more details, along with the Dark Angels and Blood Angels getting their full ruleset.

 djones520 wrote:

 More Dakka wrote:
Wasn't aware they mentioned that. I know FW does a good job updating their army lists with new releases, but didn't recall that he was on the list for that.

2+ armor, or a 3+ invul in CC would be nice. His lack of AP2.. well that's just part of using a Chain Glaive.

What he should have is straight murderous strike, rather than on challenges only.

Nightlords are getting revamped, and Dark Mechanicum are getting more details, along with the Dark Angels and Blood Angels getting their full ruleset.

When did they say the Night Lords were getting a full revamp? I only recall seeing that they were listed as appearing in Book 8.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 More Dakka wrote:
Wasn't aware they mentioned that. I know FW does a good job updating their army lists with new releases, but didn't recall that he was on the list for that.

2+ armor, or a 3+ invul in CC would be nice. His lack of AP2.. well that's just part of using a Chain Glaive.

What he should have is straight murderous strike, rather than on challenges only.

Nightlords are getting revamped, and Dark Mechanicum are getting more details, along with the Dark Angels and Blood Angels getting their full ruleset.

When did they say the Night Lords were getting a full revamp? I only recall seeing that they were listed as appearing in Book 8.

https://spikeybits.com/2017/02/forge-world-reveals-contents-of-heresy-book-viii-angelus.html

New rules doesn't mean they are getting a revamp, it could be as simple as new Units for the Night Lords, as those would still be rules.

Or you get the option to run them as Fractured and Pre-Fractured.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
New rules doesn't mean they are getting a revamp, it could be as simple as new Units for the Night Lords, as those would still be rules.

Or you get the option to run them as Fractured and Pre-Fractured.

Or given that they're likely to focus heavily on the Thramas Crusade, Night Lords will be getting a full look. No reason to suspect that they aren't.

 djones520 wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
New rules doesn't mean they are getting a revamp, it could be as simple as new Units for the Night Lords, as those would still be rules.

Or you get the option to run them as Fractured and Pre-Fractured.

Or given that they're likely to focus heavily on the Thramas Crusade, Night Lords will be getting a full look. No reason to suspect that they aren't.

Did the Word Bearers get a full revamp when they were heavily focused on in the Book that introduced the Ultramarines?