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Thoughts on my recent CAD

Warlord will hang back with the havocs. Gonna roll on Telepathy mainly for invisibility for squad.

········Force Options (Supplement options here) [Death Guard]

+ HQ +

········Sorcerer [2x Additional Mastery Level, Blight grenades, Burning Brand of Skalanthrax, Force Axe, Mark of Nurgle, Terminator Armour, Veterans of the Long War, Warlord]

+ Elites +

········Helbrute [Twin-linked lascannon]
············Power fist [Heavy flamer]

+ Troops +

········Chaos Space Marines [9x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Chaos Rhino, Lascannon, Mark of Nurgle, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
············Aspiring Champion [Plasma Pistol, Power Fist]

········Chaos Space Marines [9x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Chaos Rhino, Lascannon, Mark of Nurgle, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
············Aspiring Champion [Plasma Pistol, Power Fist]

+ Fast Attack +

········Chaos Bikers [5x Chaos Biker, Mark of Nurgle, 2x Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
············Chaos Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Power Fist]

········Heldrake [Baleflamer]

+ Heavy Support +

········Havocs [7x Havoc, 4x Lascannon, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War]
············Aspiring Champion [Combi-bolter]

········Maulerfiend [Magma cutters]

········Obliterators [Mark of Nurgle, 3x Obliterator, Veterans of the Long War

With the selection of units that you have, I'd recommend going for a Vectorium detachment using a Warband for your Core and either a Heldrakex2 for your Aux or a Spawn. You already have almost everything required, you'd just need to swap the brute/Maulerfiend for either Termies (Best choice) or Chosen.

Weapon loudouts are decent, though I think I would save a few points and swap Lascannons to Plasma Guns in the CSM squads. I would also drop Plasma Pistols on the Sarg's; they probably will only get to shoot those maybe once in the game, so typically better to spend those points elsewhere. If you want the Maulerfiend/Helbrute, you could also run their Aux formation; you'd need a Warpsmith and one more walker to get that going, but the benefits are pretty good.

I also worry that the Sorc is only going to have 2 rolls on Tele for Invis and not many Warp Charges to work with, as well. If possible, you might want to take another Sorc as a Command choice to get more rolls on Tele and increase your Warp Charges. Also, if your Sorc is planning on casting anything, buy that guy a Spell Familiar!


So, moral of the story, try to go for a Vectorium, choose either Heldrakes, Helbrute/Maulerfiends, or Oblits and grab the Aux formation for them.

Obliterators (need to take the formation with the warpsmith) and Bikes are pretty much the main reason to go Nurgle.

Terminators with T5 and FNP re-rolling 1's are also pretty brutal.

Everything with VotLW/MoN gets Fearless, FNP, Stealth at 18"+, Relentless.

So you want to boost up tough models as much as you can. Relentless allows you to rapid-fire bolters (or plasma guns, which seem a decent choice) and charge in to finish off weaker units in assault.

Also allows you to move and shoot with Havocs (I am spamming autocannons for this purpose).

Yeah not a fan of the vectorum. I like having my sorcerer and the vectorum makes you have a chaos lord too. That's why I made the CAD. I also don't know what else I'd spend the saved 30 points from the plasma pistols on so that's why they have em


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Also the only bonus to running the vectorum is rerolls on 1s for fnp and the 18 inch stealth so I don't feel I'm losing to much.

Obsec on everything within the warband.

Yeah but that's just a warband thing. Also like I said I don't like having to take a random chaos lord if I don't really.want him in my army.

 Modrin wrote:
Yeah not a fan of the vectorum. I like having my sorcerer and the vectorum makes you have a chaos lord too. That's why I made the CAD. I also don't know what else I'd spend the saved 30 points from the plasma pistols on so that's why they have em


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Also the only bonus to running the vectorum is rerolls on 1s for fnp and the 18 inch stealth so I don't feel I'm losing to much.

Dude, have you read the rules? U get objective secured on all units in the warband, you get to reroll on the chaos boon table and keep both or one of the results, you get free votlw, fnp and fearless, relentless, you also get -1 initiative. And shrouded outside 18". The buff made CSM competitive again. Youre still playing the old gak.

Well, I think most agree that rerolling 1's on FNP is fantastic and stealth at 18" is great for bringing things that you've already got in your list.

I can see the reasoning of the Chaos Sorc vs. Lord ... but I would probably just bring the Lord as a tax, then take the Sorc as a Command choice. The Lord can always just join a unit for some ablative wounds.

But ultimately, those are just choices I'd make. Obviously though, go with what works best for you, dude.

EDIT: Also, if you make no other changes, drop at least one of those Plasma Pistols and grab a Spell Familiar on your Sorc. It's the same cost and will give you much more mileage.

killerpenguin you get the fnp fearless and relentless just for being nurgle not the vectorum


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Elroniel yeah ill probably do that. Forgot I hadn't given him a familiar.

 Modrin wrote:
killerpenguin you get the fnp fearless and relentless just for being nurgle not the vectorum

ok, thank you for clearing that up for me. Shrouded is still awesome though. And a 39% safe is better than a 33%.

I do agree. I just don't like the prerequisite some times in the vectorum. I do have one drawn up and it's cool I just like to play with the models I like for 1850 put games. If it's a higher point game I'll almost always go vectorum cause the point sinks aren't nearly as annoying.