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Raging Rat Ogre





England, UK

Greetings, fellow Dwarfers. (You can take that to mean either Red or White Dwarf )

I've got all three basic Eldar Codices (Dark, Craftworlds, Harlequins) and these have finally swayed me away from Nurgle's embrace. But the problem is, starting an Eldar army of any description would be horrifically expensive, and all anyone seems to do these days is bitch about Games Workshop, 40K and AoS. It is literally the most negative fanbase I've ever been a part of. It also feels like I'm the only person in the world who wants to play for fun using the models I like, following the intended spirit of the rules. But all anyone else seems to do is BRING MOAR S7, BRING 30 FLESHHOUNDS BECAUSE THIS WILL WIN, then whine about THIS GAME IS BROKEN BECAUSE I SPENT EIGHT HOURS INVENTING A SCREAMERSTAR FORMATION.

In this day and age of broken formations, power gamers and models which cost £70+ each, is it even worth bothering to collect and play 40K?

Genuine answers only please, this is a genuine thread, not a rant.

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I'm in the exact same boat as you.

I'm essentially coming back to 40k after a 15 year absence, and going online is full of what you said: negativity and how to cheese everything.

I decided to collect Necrons. Many at my FLGS pulled "that face" and asked if I wasn't for winning. They seemed genuinely surprised when I said its for their sheer trolling potential and easy as feth paint scheme. I mean, one can play 40k for fun....

Right?

Anyway, if you want to play Eldar, then by golly play them. Use the models you want and don't let people sway you with "x ignore effective" or "why aren't you using a competitive list" etc. You play for your enjoyment, and while others disagree, ultimately, it's what you want to do that matters.

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I was lucky to find a group that while some of it's members enter tournaments with roquefort-level cheese lists in our weekly games they bring much tamer lists. And the Eldar player started a Genestealer Cult army after despairing of making a friendly list with his Eldar.
So to summarise: It's all about the crowd you game with.
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So, if the cost of the game is turning you off, then honestly I would say don't bother. With all of the packages available now, like start collecting, and others, the game has become way more affordable. Ebay is always a great way to get stuff, too, but that takes time, you can't go out and just buy whatever you want, some patience is required.

If the community bugs you, and it's your local community, then that's a big problem too. It's not always easy to find new people to play with and I understand that. But if what's bothering you is people complaining on the internet, I would just ignore that. It's the internet; there are negative people and every thread everywhere will eventually turn negative. There was a "funny images from WH40K" thread that ultimately turned into people complaining about balance, and GW. If you can't tune that out, and it greatly influences you, I would also say don't play.

If you've surrounded yourself with positive, fun people in real life, who generally enjoy spending time together and are normal, well balanced individuals on the whole, it's a fun game.

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I dunno where you are located so I can't say for sure, but in my experience the negative attitude is *mostly* only online. In person, I very, very rarely come across anyone as negative as the average Dakka-ite.
   
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@OP: almost all of the negativity about 40K I've experienced has been found on the internet. The people I play with are into the game for similar reasons to the ones you're getting at.

The only negativity about the game that seems universal is the high cost of models.

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I would guess that the majority of people who play 40k enjoy playing fun, fluffy armies. I would also guess that there is a higher-percentage of people who are super competitive players in online discussion forums/Facebook groups/etc.

I've noticed that when it comes to gaming groups on the Internet they tend to be more negative than people are IRL.

This is just my own anecdotal experience and me guessing at why things are the way they are.

Why not play Kill Team with Eldar? It seems like a good fit for having fun with cool models, and doesn't cost a ton of money.

(Also, you realize you just made a negative post about how negative people are, right?)

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Depends on your environment. If you ask people on the Internet you will always get the font of 'PLAY BROKEN THINGS OR GO HOME' complaints, but what you use and how you use it is going to depend far more on your playgroup and their attitude than on what noise we on Dakka make. Go around to your FLGS. Sit in on some 40k games. See what sort of things are being played. Ask the people who know the environment what's too powerful or too useless.

It is always, always much easier to find people whining about how the developers have exploded the game with this latest release than it is to find people talking about how cool things are on forums like these. Play environments are never this negative, simply because people who actually play 40k on a regular basis tend to have a more positive view of things than people who don't and spend time whining about it on the Internet.

As far as the question of overpriced models and broken formations it's going to depend entirely on where you're playing and with who. If you're playing with a tournament crowd you might need Wraithknights just to keep up, but I've played in stores where I got called out as a cheesemonger for using the Deathwatch book, and against people who refused to play against Grey Knights with Tzeentch Daemons on principle. Play environments tend to be self-correcting; people who play overly weak things either get much better at playing them, switch to more powerful things, or get frustrated and quit, while people who play overly powerful things either adapt their army down or people start refusing to play against them. If you find a game store where people are playing 40k regularly you're not going to find a footslogging 'Ard Boy-based CAD coexisting with a Warpflame Host-based army, people will have adjusted and started to run with things their opponents can deal with.

And there are almost never situations where you will find you can't play an entire army book (or even an entire model) in a play environment for one reason or another. You may need to figure out what you're getting into and you may need to be prepared to lose a lot of games while you figure out what you're doing, but I've got friends who play Dark Eldar and Orks competitively. You may need to tone down lists once you discover that you're trying to use overpowered models, but Warp Spiders don't need to be min/maxxed in Warp Host formations and Windrider Jetbikes can be run with twin-linked shuriken catapults.

In short: 40k doesn't work very well as a one-off pick-up game where you've got no interest in remaining friends with your opponent afterwards, but it's absolutely worth getting into if you're prepared to spend the time talking to your playgroup and working out how to make a given model/army work in your environment.

(Forums in general are a terrible place to try and get an idea of how playing 40k in practice goes; you have no idea how much any of us actually play, we've got very little invested in what other random forum-goers think of us, and even if we do play our expectations are shaped by very different playgroups at very different levels of competitiveness, with very different arrangements of armies to worry about.)

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I know I am super critical of GW's terrible game design and balance but while I complain on the forums (I try to at least be joking or constructive with my complaints) I continue to play the game and focus on having fun instead of making gak kicker lists. To me the fun is in the fluff of the setting and making my armies personalized. When it comes to discussion though I tend to look at what works and what doesn't and I am not reluctant to say if something isn't very practical but I also look at the niche use things or alternatives instead of just settling on "zomg this is the most optimal so never take anything else". On the internet though it becomes very easy to just want to have an echo chamber support your

Most of my Ork lists have Flash Gitz in them, all of my Tau lists have well above the minimum number of Fire Warriors, my Assault Marines have zogging power lances for crying out loud. Whats cool is in doing so I find a lot of cool things that work and it catches people off guard when they see Flash Gitz melting their infantry to bits or find themselves taking 20 wounds from Grotzookas and then having the Kanz charge in to maw the survivors to death. I play to win once the list is made and the dice start rolling which scratches my competitive nature but I bring lists with cool or interesting units because its fun and creative for me.

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Stop reading Dakka and find your local group.

Kill Team has now kickstarted a resurgence in 40k at one of my FLGS. They are only playing Kill Team and small games (750-1000 pts).

The Internet is inherently more negative than 'real life'.

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 NoPoet wrote:
It is literally the most negative fanbase I've ever been a part of.
You should give World of Warcraft a try.

The Internet inherently magnifies all negativity because moderate opinions don't get read. If you talk to real people who can actually be bothered playing the game you'll find that not everyone is a screaming trashbaby.

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To be honest, starting Eldar army is quite cheap at the moment - for typical Craftworlders you need two Start Collecting boxes and some minor add-ons. Starting Harlequins is "dirt cheap" (by GW standards), just buy two boxes worth of Death Masque sprues on ebay. Only Corsairs are expensive (and/or impossible to even buy, as Corsair conversion kit has been "temporarily out of stock" for ages).

The much, much bigger problem may be playerbase attitude towards any kind of Eldar. But that is manageable, especially when you intend to "play for fun" - "just" find at least one like-minded person to play with and tailor your list to power level equal to theirs. With Eldar this is perfectly possible (if in doubt put another Storm Guardian squad in your list and take another Scatter Laser away). Build yourself a reputation of "fun to play with" person and then your faction should not be a problem for anyone. From my experience, 40K is all about attitude and finding common ground with people you play with.

And as others have wrote - forget most of what you read on Dakka and all of what you might have read on BOLS and most likely you'll have an enjoyable 40K experience
   
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 SickSix wrote:
Stop reading Dakka and find your local group.

Kill Team has now kickstarted a resurgence in 40k at one of my FLGS. They are only playing Kill Team and small games (750-1000 pts).

This is a great suggestion.

I will say this regarding Kill Team though:
If you don't want to have to lug a tablet to/from games with you, find someone who plays either Space Marines or Tau Empire. Ask them to split a box of "Kill Team" with you.

Doing this will get you a mini Rulebook and the Kill Team book itself. Depending on your locality, you might also be able to turn the remaining models into a trade for something you want/need as Eldar.

The Internet is inherently more negative than 'real life'.

It's easier for someone to write a scathing review than it is for them to admit they don't understand something.
   
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I have to agree with the OP, mainly in regard to Dakka. It's definitely the most hostile gaming forum I think I've seen, but that's okay since I don't play the game and I enjoy the occasional banter. This place is the most hate/anger filled game forum I think I've ever seen.

Regarding the game? Honestly I'd skip it. Maybe play some games using the models or pick an earlier edition you're interested in, but it is a huge amount of money to invest in something which is pretty broken/overly competitive (most of the time). The scale and size of the game makes it even more of a money-sink, particularly if you don't love the models you're using it.

There are much more entertaining and better ways to spend your gaming money and time. If you like the GW fluff look into Necromunda, Mordheim, the old Inquisitor rules with 28mm minis, maybe the latest Kill Team, etc. There's very little to draw me toward 40K outside of a few friends who enjoy playing 2nd ed. I put the models/army together simply for fun and to keep on a shelf until I need sci-fi models.
   
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Every where is different for what players play, I live on island and only time played anything close to power gaming is when decided on it before hand.

Normally play the models I think look cool, as example when playing my nids the only thing that is auto include is swarmlord with 3 guard.

My Eldar army has 3 bikes total in it(and only cause they came with start collecting set) never use any D wraith guard only use cc ones as they look cool.
Only real negativity get here is on price.

I started my Eldar army end of last year got
30 Guardians
3 War walkers
3 Vipers
10 WraithBlade (5 swords 5 axe)
5 Dark reapers
10 Hawks
5 Spiders
Eldrad
Farseer ( foot)
Wraithknight with sword and shield
5 Shadow spectres (fw ones)
Cost me around £250 (am cheaper as don't pay vat or postage where I live) and got the discount set of walkers and vypers, only other things plan to get is some warlocks for guardians 10 howling banshees and 10 rangers and mybe transports for guardians.

In end if you want to start army and have people near you to play with then go for it. I like the game and enjoy it, play way I want with models I like and put as much cc in as I can taking out shooting units for the melee units. I all so don't care what opponent brings as long as its what they want and enjoy.
   
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 NoPoet wrote:
Greetings, fellow Dwarfers. (You can take that to mean either Red or White Dwarf )

I've got all three basic Eldar Codices (Dark, Craftworlds, Harlequins) and these have finally swayed me away from Nurgle's embrace. But the problem is, starting an Eldar army of any description would be horrifically expensive, and all anyone seems to do these days is bitch about Games Workshop, 40K and AoS. It is literally the most negative fanbase I've ever been a part of. It also feels like I'm the only person in the world who wants to play for fun using the models I like, following the intended spirit of the rules. But all anyone else seems to do is BRING MOAR S7, BRING 30 FLESHHOUNDS BECAUSE THIS WILL WIN, then whine about THIS GAME IS BROKEN BECAUSE I SPENT EIGHT HOURS INVENTING A SCREAMERSTAR FORMATION.

In this day and age of broken formations, power gamers and models which cost £70+ each, is it even worth bothering to collect and play 40K?

Genuine answers only please, this is a genuine thread, not a rant.


Eldar are a ton of fun - easily one of my favourite painting experiences - lots of different unit designs and aspect colours give you a change of pace and interesting challenge with every unit.

I don't play against broken formations or power gamers - the game is a lot more fun that way.

Models are expensive, but if you buy no faster than you paint it at least spaces out the pain. (I disregarded that in the past and have a lot of unpainted metal and plastic - so my rule is now I can only buy a unit for every three I paint.)
   
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40k is a bad game. 40k is a terrible game. It's systems are massively overinflated and bloated to the point of being nigh unplayable on a reasonable level.

What ends up making the game worth playing is a combination of the models, the fluff, and most importantly, your community. You're not going to have fun playing 40k for the game's sake on its own. But seeing the models you've poured hours of work and life into on the table can definitely feel like an accomplishment, and having a decent community helps to create a lot of the fun that the base game is lacking. A good community is what makes or breaks 40k.

Now, it's not all bad. Killteam keeps things at a small enough scale that most ridiculous options are unavailable (just avoid biker armies, they're stupid) and the game's pacing is actually not terrible (so long as someone isn't running a horde army, keep it below 15 models a side to keep things fun). Its smaller scale and higher emphasis on terrain and cover helps to make it a much more tactical game than the base 40k.
Similarly, Combat Patrol (small games around 500 points) can function with some decent playability as well. Just keep in mind that things will NOT scale well beyond that, as the bulk of 40k's horrendous glut of rules, combined with the glut of 40k's scale at higher points values will make for an absolute mess.

Now, for the hostility of the community. First off, keep in mind that this hostility is pointed almost entirely at GW. Second, keep in mind where this cynicism and hostility comes from. A lot of us have been playing GW's games for over ten or twenty years. To that end, there's not just a lot of financial investment involved, but personal investment as well. And it hurts that investment to see GW make bad choices and put out poor products when we know that they can do better. None of the people complaining about 40k who have stuck around do so because they hate it, rather, they love it, and don't like seeing it in the state that it's in.

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As always when I see complaints about the cost, I'd like to remind you that this is a luxury product. GW are not beholden to keeping the prices low. As long as people will pay, they should, as a competitive business, keep prices as high as they feasibly can.

Also it's really not very expensive to get into right now. Buy youself, say, the SM start collecting box, for £50 and maybe an assault squad or basic dreadnought off amazon or eBay for cheap, you've got for probably less than £80 quid a 500 point army to start playing combat patrol with.

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I read things on Dakka every day I'm at work (including right now), and I am thoroughly AMAZED at the sheer intensity of the negativity. Negativity about the rules, about how new models look, about how old models look, about random guy A being a terrible player because he plays to win, or about random guy B who is a terrible player because he wants to play a fluffy army with models he likes...



Personal opinion: like it has been stated, it's all about who you play with. For the first time in two years, I finally got to play 40k again about a week ago. I played my half-fluff-half-I-just-like-these-models Nurgle CSM force against my friend's simple-men-in-a-universe-of-monsters Imperial Guard, and I got my handed to me. DIdn't take a single full unit out of his army. He tabled me. That was six hours (it was 1200 pts, but we were re-learning everything) of my time that I spent simply getting slaughtered. And you know what?

I had a blast.

My friend doesn't "play to win", but between the dice rolls and all, that was simply the way that game panned out that day, and I look at it like this. You have to make it a story. They say it in the rule book, albeit roughly, as "Forging the narrative". I prefer to think of it as playing a movie out in your imagination. Sure, his 3-tank Russ Squadron completely annihilated my two Helbrutes and a Maulerfiend before they could make do anything more than move, but it was cool. Because, while horrid from a tabletop viewpoint, in the 40k world that exists in our heads, it was an IG commander in the lead tank who had fought against Nurgle forces from this warband many times before. Unlike fresh recruits, he knew that the weird, fleshy blob of putrescence on the front of that Helbrute was actually a squishy front for it's central nervous/operating/daemon systems that a Vanquisher Cannon was more than a match for. The same way that tales of the IG command squad's sniper had spread throughout the Imperium, and that no matter how close you get, he's never going to hit you, because this is the eighth game that he's shot every turn and misses every time. When it comes to "you shouldn't play with that model because the rules suck against so and so", don't listen to them. I run as many Possessed and Chaos Spawn as I can get my Nurgly hands on. Sure they are going to get ripped to shreds by lasgun and basilisk fire before they can ever get past the first line of guardsmen or even within charge range, but I absolutely love the mental image of Khornate Possessed or Spawn just hauling up the battlefield, vaulting debris and tearing through blast zones, screaming and frothing, and just flat out raging towards the enemy line, and the sheer fear that would have to be tangible from the opposing force, or the thought of my precious Nurgly Possessed and Spawn hobbling at a shuffling pace, flesh distended and discolored, horrendous squelches and screams escaping their deformed forces alongside the eerily joyous laughter of a creature of our Grandfather, indifferent to the artillery shell that just severed their arm and part of their chest, and the look on the enemy's face when they just will not die...Whereas someone who cares less about the universe and more about winning would simply see models falling turn by turn to concentrated targeting in a given Shooting Phase as they struggled to roll decently on their charge range.

Overall, it's all about perspective and the group you game with. This friend? One of only two people I have ever, and really ever want to, played 40k with. If someone wants to play to win, that's their prerogative, but if it doesn't suit the style of play that you find fun, then to each his own. Never feel like you should be forced to play with "power gamers" if that's not your thing. I understand where they are coming from. I absolutely hate losing. But as long as I can have fun with my models and create a fun story, I'm happy, even if I lose. It's the nature of playing a game. That being said, there is plenty of merit in collecting 40k simply for the hobby aspect, but that's a different thread entirely.

One thing I forgot about is cost, like Creed said above. I find it easier that, if you can, put even just five dollars (or your equivalent) back each paycheck. After a couple months, boom, you can get a new squad. Now, I understand that not everyone can do that, because right now, I can't . It happens with the world we live in. I'm lucky enough that years ago, I had oodles of disposable income and purchased more armies than I'll ever be able to paint. What I'm saying is that Creed is right. It seems initially expensive, but with a little thought and patience, you really can get into it, albeit not at a quick rate by any definition.

Sorry for the slight rant, but I am a huge proponent of "fluffy/playing for fun" gaming, and honestly, if you love 40k, don't let anyone stop you. Some people may have different opinions on what is fun, but when it comes to yourself, you know what you think is fun. There are more of us out there, and I think it is definitely worth it to get into 40k, with the caveat that things ARE going to change, they will always change, and there will always be people that complain. Good luck.

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Check out your local scene.

If you find people you would like to play with, then it's worth the investment.

Otherwise, it's just collecting miniatures, which is great too.
   
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I'd also add that rules come and go. But the models you like will always be on your shelf regardless (unless you enter the gamer's Cycle of Regret of 'too much stuff - sell my stuff - oh I wish I still had my stuff - buy more stuff' repeat ad nauseam) and can be used for whatever, whenever, wherever. Some wity more shoehorning than others, admittedly...
   
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If you want to play Eldar, particularly Craftworld, try the following:
Do not use formations. If you do, do it against equivalent opponents, like the Decurion or Gladius type armies.
Avoid Jetbikes, or if you use them, limit the amount of Scatterlasers you use on them.
Avoid using Warp Spiders. Eldar are the probably the most annoying army to play against, and Warp Spiders are the epitome of that.

Since you want to use all 3 types of Eldar, look at the new "Gathering Storm: Fracture of Biel-Tan" book, as it uses all three in formations together.

Know your opponent is the biggie, as you might have no problem going full-on cheese, and get to use the whole lot.

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 NoPoet wrote:

In this day and age of broken formations, power gamers and models which cost £70+ each, is it even worth bothering to collect and play 40K?

Genuine answers only please, this is a genuine thread, not a rant.


Yes however only if your local players aren't into unbalanced match ups. The point cost system of the current rules set is kinda quite incoherent but you aren't the only one who just wants to play a fun game, it might be worth checking out your local players.
For most of the rage inducing shenanigans, the online raging and cut throat tournament listing isn't that representative for casual pick up games. ; )


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 Fafnir wrote:
40k is a bad game. 40k is a terrible game. It's systems are massively overinflated and bloated to the point of being nigh unplayable on a reasonable level.


This is a popular forum attitude but nothing more. I never came close to this feeling while actually playing a game the last few years, nor have I seen utter panicked, frustrated or crazed victims of the rule bloat while looking at an other game.

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Is it worth start playing? Sure. Is it worth playing ultracompetitive tournaments? No.

The point is 40k is a very fun game if you organize balanced matches. So played in a friendly enviroment it's actually a great game. But in tournaments people pay to win at any cost so you'll face basically the same 4-5 overpowered lists and it's not fun at all to play against them other than a few games.

I'm ok facing a gladius SM list or an eldar one full of D weapons and scatter lasers, I'm not ok if I had to face the same lists everytime I play against those armies. And I also hate games stopped because of time limits exceeded.

40k can be a very fun game, but it all depends on the other players actually, if you find a nice community I'd definitely suggest to start playing. But if you like competitions and tournaments I'd suggest to look at something else.

 
   
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Newcastle, OZ

I've been out of 40k for about 5 years now.

It's never been worth playing in a high-stakes, winner-take-all-cattle ranches and sheep stations tournament. It was barely tolerable at club level. And that was before superheavies and D weapons became part of the core rules.

Just looking at the prices (srlsy, in Oz, don't look at the prices.) that alone should be a huge deterrent to starting it now. A modern games console costs less than an army, and will usually give more hours of enjoyment.

I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.

That is not dead which can eternal lie ...

... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
 
   
Made in pl
Wicked Warp Spider





 chromedog wrote:


Just looking at the prices (srlsy, in Oz, don't look at the prices.) that alone should be a huge deterrent to starting it now. A modern games console costs less than an army, and will usually give more hours of enjoyment.


From my experience, compared to every other hobby I had been into over the last 20 years, 40K is one of the LEAST expensive hobbies in my life counted on cost-per-hour-of-enjoyment basis. Especially in times of plastic models, all that assembling/converting/painting/terrain making/actual playing combined time is actually "dirt cheap" compared to things like cosplay, analogue photography, musical instruments or even such popular thing like computer gaming.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






In a Trayzn pokeball

 chromedog wrote:

Just looking at the prices (srlsy, in Oz, don't look at the prices.) that alone should be a huge deterrent to starting it now. A modern games console costs less than an army, and will usually give more hours of enjoyment.


I've seen the Australian prices, they're horrendous. However, regarding the games console point (still true in the UK if you want a 1850 army) there's hours and hours worth of building and painting enjoyment per box, and like the console, a whole army will give you as many hours of enjoyment as you want out of it.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The hobby is actually hating GW.
 iGuy91 wrote:
You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
 Elbows wrote:
You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote:
Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
 
   
Made in fi
Locked in the Tower of Amareo





nou wrote:
 chromedog wrote:


Just looking at the prices (srlsy, in Oz, don't look at the prices.) that alone should be a huge deterrent to starting it now. A modern games console costs less than an army, and will usually give more hours of enjoyment.


From my experience, compared to every other hobby I had been into over the last 20 years, 40K is one of the LEAST expensive hobbies in my life counted on cost-per-hour-of-enjoyment basis. Especially in times of plastic models, all that assembling/converting/painting/terrain making/actual playing combined time is actually "dirt cheap" compared to things like cosplay, analogue photography, musical instruments or even such popular thing like computer gaming.


One way to avoid horrible cost rising with miniatures: Don't buy models you don't paint

I run out of time before I run out of money if I wanted to buy miniatures. And I'm hardly super rich(salary lower than average actually).

Indeed I just have ordered big Sons of Horus army. Expensive? Oh yes. Will also keep me painting for MONTHS. Might not need to buy more stuff this year! Indeed I better not order more stuff(except paint and basing stuff) until these are painted!

Cost becomes issue when I buy stuff...That then is forgotten into boxes and not done anything with it.

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2024 painted/bought: 109/109 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




" It is literally the most negative fanbase I've ever been a part of."

Complains about negativity of fanbase with negative post...

sigh.

Just play the game. Built fluffy lists. Ask your opponent to tone down their list, if they refuse, don't play them. Play maelstrom. Have fun collecting and painting. Collect gradually.

The game is great, just don't expect balance. It's a beer and pretzels game. If you want to play a competitive mind sport, play Magic: the Gathering.
   
 
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