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According to the BRB FAQ and the Fracture of Biel-Tan FAQ, this would seem to be yes.
What I mean is that IC's still count as a Kill Point if sniped out of their unit for mission rules, and if an IC dies while in a unit, it can generate a Soulburst action.

So does this mean that rules that call for a unit to be within X" of another unit can be satisfied by an IC joining them?
For example, one of the Reborn Host command Benefits say that units do no take Moral check for losing 25% is they are within 7" of another Reborn Host unit
So does a Farseer joined to a unit of Bike mean that the unit is immune to Moral? I don't see why not. After all, if the Farseer leaves the unit and stays between 3-7" the rule would apply, so why not when he joins the unit.

The previously mentioned FAQ's seem to support his as well.
Another example I can think of if the bonus for the Khorne Murder Horde formation from the Incursion detachment.
Units within range on another unit gain +1 atk. So join the Herald to a Hound unit and both "units" gain +1atk.
I cannot find anything in the BRB that says once an IC is part of a unit, it no longer counts as its own unit, yet everywhere that calls for you to count the number of units says IC's are still separately counted.

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They're not still their own unit at all times. For example, you're still not allowed to pick out an IC that's joined to a unit and target only him when shooting at the unit. Things like soulburst seem to be the exceptions which would have to be named, not a precedent for everything.

I'd say that the IC would still fall under the 'count as part of the unit for all rules purposes' statement in the IC rules, and the unit that has him in it would need to be within x" of another unit (with your example, they'd need another unit within 7Z" to not take a Morale check for losing 25%).

This is a concept I have brought up a few times in discussion, and that no one wants to address. Let's think of the ramifications on this for a bit.

IF an IC is still considered its own unit while joined to another:
* An IC can be targeted by Shooting and not allowed to Look Out Sir (as you are not targeting the larger unit).
* Any Charge against a unit with an IC joined to it automatically qualifies as a Multiple Charge and becomes Disordered.

And so on.


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 doctortom wrote:
They're not still their own unit at all times. For example, you're still not allowed to pick out an IC that's joined to a unit and target only him when shooting at the unit.

And, to Galef's point, what tells us that?

 doctortom wrote:
Things like soulburst seem to be the exceptions which would have to be named, not a precedent for everything.

And, to Galef's point, what tells us that?

 doctortom wrote:
I'd say that the IC would still fall under the 'count as part of the unit for all rules purposes' statement in the IC rules, and the unit that has him in it would need to be within x" of another unit (with your example, they'd need another unit within 7Z" to not take a Morale check for losing 25%).

What tells us the exception exists and when it doesn't? That is the whole point of the problems with the FAQ in association with a lot of the IC rules. Stubborn is a crappy standard since it doesn't say, nor do the IC rules specify in Stubborn what it is.

They are their own unit for some things, and not for others.

I still don't see how being part of a unit stops and IC from being its own.
You cannot target it separately because the IC rules say so. Same for Disordered charge, you haven't declare a charge against 2 units, just the 1 unit that IC was part of.

Either way, I'd wait until an FAQ flat out said you can claim bonuses in this manner, but still. RAW seems to point that way.

Fragile wrote:
They are their own unit for some things, and not for others.

Why? Where are the written rules for us to know this without having to be a mind reader?

 Galef wrote:
You cannot target it separately because the IC rules say so.

Where? I have never seen it stated that you cannot target the IC's unit when it is joined to another unit any more than stop identifying it as its own unit while joined to the other. Your question in your original post is connected for that exact reason. Where it stops being identified as a separate unit is where it stops being able to be targeted separately.

 Galef wrote:
Same for Disordered charge, you haven't declare a charge against 2 units, just the 1 unit that IC was part of.

But you will be likely engaging a second unit when you do so, the IC's unit. That is the condition for making a Multiple Charge, if you think you can engage a second unit at the same time you Charge your primary target. If you can't engage the IC by your Charge, then it wouldn't engage Multiple Charge, but that can be hard in all but the largest units.

 Galef wrote:

I cannot find anything in the BRB that says once an IC is part of a unit, it no longer counts as its own unit,

The rules for ICs joining units tell us that an IC joined to a unit counts as a part of that unit for all rules purposes.

If you're counting him as a unit in his own right for some rules purposes, he's not counting as a part of the unit he joined for all rules purposes.



Having said that, ICs have always counted separately when they die, although the rules have gone through varying levels of clarity on that issue over the various editions. So yes, ICs joined to a unit still count separately for victory conditions and the like... but for all in-game purposes they are a part of the unit to which they are joined.

 insaniak wrote:
The rules for ICs joining units tell us that an IC joined to a unit counts as a part of that unit for all rules purposes.

If you're counting him as a unit in his own right for some rules purposes, he's not counting as a part of the unit he joined for all rules purposes.

Having said that, ICs have always counted separately when they die, although the rules have gone through varying levels of clarity on that issue over the various editions. So yes, ICs joined to a unit still count separately for victory conditions and the like... but for all in-game purposes they are a part of the unit to which they are joined.

The issue is that ICs are not mentioned as counting as a separate unit for the purposes of Soulburst (so far as anyone has mentioned). As for the case of counting Kill Points, those are at the end of the game when an IC would have been separated from the unit.

The problem is that there are situations where there are several FAQs are stating to treat the IC as its own unit, even though the rules they are answering never mention Independent Characters at all, much less to be considered as their own unit.

ICs are never stated as returning to being their own unit when they are removed as a casualty. The only time that would even qualify is that the IC is no longer in Unit Coherence, but that is not in consideration till after the owning player's next Movement Phase or the end of the game.

Then, when GW has a chance to make actual adjustments to the rules and change the wording in the rulebook so everyone can follow along, they present weird House Rule answers which defy the wording in the book as if they have never read them (which may be possible for the FAQ staff, I don't know), instead.

The fact that they still haven't fixed IC psykers joining other units is more than enough proof that whoever is currently in charge of the rules has no idea how ICs actually work.

Within that framework, the FAQ answers are confusing, but not surprising.

 Charistoph wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
The rules for ICs joining units tell us that an IC joined to a unit counts as a part of that unit for all rules purposes.

If you're counting him as a unit in his own right for some rules purposes, he's not counting as a part of the unit he joined for all rules purposes.

Having said that, ICs have always counted separately when they die, although the rules have gone through varying levels of clarity on that issue over the various editions. So yes, ICs joined to a unit still count separately for victory conditions and the like... but for all in-game purposes they are a part of the unit to which they are joined.

The issue is that ICs are not mentioned as counting as a separate unit for the purposes of Soulburst (so far as anyone has mentioned). As for the case of counting Kill Points, those are at the end of the game when an IC would have been separated from the unit.

The problem is that there are situations where there are several FAQs are stating to treat the IC as its own unit, even though the rules they are answering never mention Independent Characters at all, much less to be considered as their own unit.

ICs are never stated as returning to being their own unit when they are removed as a casualty. The only time that would even qualify is that the IC is no longer in Unit Coherence, but that is not in consideration till after the owning player's next Movement Phase or the end of the game.

Then, when GW has a chance to make actual adjustments to the rules and change the wording in the rulebook so everyone can follow along, they present weird House Rule answers which defy the wording in the book as if they have never read them (which may be possible for the FAQ staff, I don't know), instead.

The Yannari FAQ states that an IC killed within a unit triggers Soul Burst.

 rawne2510 wrote:

The Yannari FAQ states that an IC killed within a unit triggers Soul Burst.

Without looking at the FAQ, present the rule that would single out an IC as a unit before he is removed from the unit by the IC rules.

That is what I was referring to.

 Charistoph wrote:

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 doctortom wrote:
They're not still their own unit at all times. For example, you're still not allowed to pick out an IC that's joined to a unit and target only him when shooting at the unit.

And, to Galef's point, what tells us that?

 doctortom wrote:
Things like soulburst seem to be the exceptions which would have to be named, not a precedent for everything.

And, to Galef's point, what tells us that?.

The answer to both - "While an Independent Character is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes, though he still follows the rules for characters." is the rule in the Independent character section. Barring any other specific rules overriding that, that would be the operative rule. We know now that soulburst is an exception as it has been FAQ'd that way. We know special rules transfer between the IC and the rest of the unit don't work the way they do with a normal unit because of what it says about special rules in the IC section - a listed exception. But, to turn your last question around, what would tell us the Soulburst FAQ is a precedent to be used for all circumstances? (i.e., how does the Soulburst FAQ justify being able to pick out an attached IC when shooting at a unit?)


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 Charistoph wrote:

 doctortom wrote:
I'd say that the IC would still fall under the 'count as part of the unit for all rules purposes' statement in the IC rules, and the unit that has him in it would need to be within x" of another unit (with your example, they'd need another unit within 7Z" to not take a Morale check for losing 25%).

What tells us the exception exists and when it doesn't? That is the whole point of the problems with the FAQ in association with a lot of the IC rules. Stubborn is a crappy standard since it doesn't say, nor do the IC rules specify in Stubborn what it is.

What tells us when the exception exists is when there is a written rule or a FAQ answer that has you treat the IC differently. Obviously. Otherwise, you're not allowed to assume that he gets treated differently. I do agree with you though that they have done a piss poor job with the FAQs in relation to the IC rules (some of which is a carryover from problems with the original IC rules, but others being a blatant reversal of what they had originally said). If other things need to change in how to handle different situations in regards to IC's, they need to FAQ those situations since they've made a hash of being able to predict how they might handle the ICs in a FAQ.

I am not saying that the following is any kind of proof for my point, however:
Where does it say that being part of another unit causes a model to stop being it's own unit? You can be considered as part of a unit for all rules purposes and still be a separate entity (which is clearly the intent for Psykers).

I agree that being part of a unit prevents being singled out as targeting the IC that is part of a unit means you have to also target his unit, which would then fall unit the rules for allocating to the closest model, LoS, etc.
And Disordered charge occurs if you A) declare a charge against multiple units or B) charge a unit with defensive grenades. Being in combat with 2 units does not inherently cause a Disordered charge.

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 Galef wrote:
I am not saying that the following is any kind of proof for my point, however:
Where does it say that being part of another unit causes a model to stop being it's own unit? You can be considered as part of a unit for all rules purposes and still be a separate entity (which is clearly the intent for Psykers).

I agree that being part of a unit prevents being singled out as targeting the IC that is part of a unit means you have to also target his unit, which would then fall unit the rules for allocating to the closest model, LoS, etc.
And Disordered charge occurs if you A) declare a charge against multiple units or B) charge a unit with defensive grenades. Being in combat with 2 units does not inherently cause a Disordered charge.

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No, if you're part of a unit for all rules purposes, then you're not still a separate entity for those rules purposes unless a specific rule specifiies it - the prevention of being singled out for targeting is the gold standard for showing this. Yes, there are exceptions. Victory/Kill Points had been an exception for quite a while. The "psychic units" section (especially in relation to ICs) looks to have been written by a drunken monkey on an ether binge and desperately needs rewriting to make it clear how to handle psykers (another exception - sometimes - for ICs). Soulburst seems to be a decision they pulled out of their butts which contradicts the rules; we can't predict what else they might handle that contradicts the rule, though, so we can't assume that it's contradicted unless we have some kind of proof that the specific rule contradicts it.

doctortom wrote:The answer to both - "While an Independent Character is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes, though he still follows the rules for characters." is the rule in the Independent character section. Barring any other specific rules overriding that, that would be the operative rule. We know now that soulburst is an exception as it has been FAQ'd that way. We know special rules transfer between the IC and the rest of the unit don't work the way they do with a normal unit because of what it says about special rules in the IC section - a listed exception. But, to turn your last question around, what would tell us the Soulburst FAQ is a precedent to be used for all circumstances? (i.e., how does the Soulburst FAQ justify being able to pick out an attached IC when shooting at a unit?)

The FAQs are the problem. They are providing exceptions which are not part of the individual rules without actually changing the written rules. It would be like being pulled over for going 25 mph past an elementary school at 2am on a Saturday. (for reference, most US states have laws limiting speed to 15 mph around elementary schools during school hours).

As for what would justify it? The IC is being considered a separate unit before it has had a chance to be considered removed under its own rules. This is a consideration not having been referenced in the Soulburst rule (or anywhere else), so it must be justified by the lack of specific direction to ignore the IC's unit status when it is joined to a unit.

To go further to the point, does this mean that ICs do not count against the models removed from a unit for Morale Checks?

Note: While I don't consider this a valid consideration, I also think the FAQ answers are crap and deliberately making up things on a whim rather than taking the effort to actually amend the rule in a proper form. These FAQ answers just open up crazy holes in the game's logic without any basis.

doctortom wrote:What tells us when the exception exists is when there is a written rule or a FAQ answer that has you treat the IC differently. Obviously. Otherwise, you're not allowed to assume that he gets treated differently. I do agree with you though that they have done a piss poor job with the FAQs in relation to the IC rules (some of which is a carryover from problems with the original IC rules, but others being a blatant reversal of what they had originally said). If other things need to change in how to handle different situations in regards to IC's, they need to FAQ those situations since they've made a hash of being able to predict how they might handle the ICs in a FAQ.

Where is the written rule to base the FAQ answer on, though? That is my point and question. Soulburst does not provide it, so when a similar rule comes along, but is sufficiently different, how are we to know?

It really is a sad state of affairs and FAQs like this caused me to sell my Necron Decurion.

Galef wrote:I agree that being part of a unit prevents being singled out as targeting the IC that is part of a unit means you have to also target his unit, which would then fall unit the rules for allocating to the closest model, LoS, etc.

HIS unit is only one model, though. The IC is considered part of the unit he joins, the unit is not considered part of the IC's unit. If I can recognize and consider the IC as a unit at any time, I can target the Chaplain unit in the Crusader Squad and there will be no other models within that unit for him to Look Out Sir to.

doctortom wrote:And Disordered charge occurs if you A) declare a charge against multiple units or B) charge a unit with defensive grenades. Being in combat with 2 units does not inherently cause a Disordered charge.

Which is what I stated. If you Charge a unit with an IC that is still recognized as his own unit. Remember the conditions for making a Multiple Charge:

Secondary targets are other targets of opportunity that you think the charging unit can engage at the same time as the primary assault.

Do you think you can engage the IC's unit when Charging the unit it is in?

Consider from there, while doing Charges, you cannot go in to base contact with a unit you are not Charging and must stay at least 1" away from them. If we are recognizing the IC as its own unit while joined to another, you would not be able to move in to base contact with the IC without Charging. If you are going to Charge the IC at the same time as you Charge the unit it is joined to, then it becomes a Multiple Charge, and so Disordered.

There are just too many problems with considering the IC as its own unit while joined to another. There are too many problems that arise from GW's lack of rule planning. There are too many problems that arise from GW's FAQ team making up rules out of thin air without changing the written rules. To be fair, I think that GW will AoS Independent Characters in the next edition rather than deal with all the problems that arise from it, or at least one can hope they simplify it enough so they can run that way.

 Charistoph wrote:

Fragile wrote:
They are their own unit for some things, and not for others.

Why? Where are the written rules for us to know this without having to be a mind reader?

This discussion is rehashed numerous times, usually when talking about Psychic Powers. The quote " they count as the unit for all rules purposes" is contradicted by numerous examples in the rules where they dont. Psychic Powers, Formation benefits, First blood are just easily examples of where they are "dont count as part of the unit for all rules purposes."

So, sometimes they are, sometimes they are not. It all depends on the context of what you are talking about.

Fragile wrote:

So, sometimes they are, sometimes they are not. It all depends on the context of what you are talking about.

Which brings me back around to the reason I posted the question.

Why do units get a "proximity" bonus if an IC is 3" away from them, but not if that IC is 2" (and thus joined). It makes no sense. I bought 2 units and the detachment benefit says when 2 or more units are X" from another, I get X bonus. It should be that simple.

The IC is within 2" of a unit. Both units gain the bonus AND the IC is part of the unit.

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 Galef wrote:

Why do units get a "proximity" bonus if an IC is 3" away from them, but not if that IC is 2" (and thus joined). -

Because you no longer count as being close to another unit if the other unit stops being another unit.

 Galef wrote:
You can be considered as part of a unit for all rules purposes and still be a separate entity
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You really can't.

If you're resolving a rule as if the IC is a separate unit, then you're not treating him as a part of the unit for all rules purposes.

 insaniak wrote:

If you're resolving a rule as if the IC is a separate unit, then you're not treating him as a part of the unit for all rules purposes.

This is what I disagree with. An IC is both his own unit AND part of another. He doesn't have to be "separate" to be considered within range of his own unit.
All rules can consider him part of the unit without meaning that he is no longer his own entity.

I guess this is probably why I have never had any issues with the way the Psychic phase is written. And why every FAQ relating to said phase just seemed so obvious to me.
But by sheer virtue of this issue being so ..."contested", you'll find comfort in the fact I have no plans to pull this in any of my games

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 Galef wrote:
He doesn't have to be "separate" to be considered within range of his own unit.

Sure. That's irrelevant though if the rule in question is referring to different units.

All rules can consider him part of the unit without meaning that he is no longer his own entity.

No, they can't. The moment you consider him a separate entity, you're not considering him a part of the unit for all purposes.

 Galef wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

If you're resolving a rule as if the IC is a separate unit, then you're not treating him as a part of the unit for all rules purposes.

This is what I disagree with. An IC is both his own unit AND part of another. He doesn't have to be "separate" to be considered within range of his own unit.
All rules can consider him part of the unit without meaning that he is no longer his own entity.

I guess this is probably why I have never had any issues with the way the Psychic phase is written. And why every FAQ relating to said phase just seemed so obvious to me.
But by sheer virtue of this issue being so ..."contested", you'll find comfort in the fact I have no plans to pull this in any of my games

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It doesn't matter if he's the same unit and part of another. Since you're told that for all rules purposes you treat him as part of the unit, then unless there's a specific exception listed you ignore him being his own unit for any rules purposes. That means when it comes time to measure how close the unit is to another unit, you're trying to resolve some game rules and he counts as part of the unit for that purpose. There's nothing in the rules explicitly stating he counts as his own unit when joined with another for purposes of measuring distances to another unit.

Fragile wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

Fragile wrote:
They are their own unit for some things, and not for others.

Why? Where are the written rules for us to know this without having to be a mind reader?

This discussion is rehashed numerous times, usually when talking about Psychic Powers. The quote " they count as the unit for all rules purposes" is contradicted by numerous examples in the rules where they dont. Psychic Powers, Formation benefits, First blood are just easily examples of where they are "dont count as part of the unit for all rules purposes."

So, sometimes they are, sometimes they are not. It all depends on the context of what you are talking about.

Really? Let's review the list and look at the written rules and the FAQs. You'll find that NOTHING considers them as "their own unit" when joined to another for some things and not for another.

Pyskers:
BRB

For the purposes of all rules, the term ‘Psyker’ and ‘Psyker unit’ refers to any unit with the Psyker, Psychic Pilot or Brotherhood of Psykers/Sorcerers special rules.
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...Then, select a psychic power known to the selected unit that the unit has not already attempted to manifest in this Psychic phase.

FAQ

Q: If a unit includes multiple Psykers – e,g, Independent Characters, or Brotherhood of Psykers – can they cast the same power (e.g. Psychic Shriek) multiple times, once for each Psyker?
A: No.

The rulebook carries ZERO rules about Formation Benefits in regards to Independent Characters. As far as the rulebook is concerned, Formation Benefits are nothing more than another set of Special Rules. That is a pure FAQ answer that is their preferred way to play it and the answer does not match any written rule. If you can reference it, please provide the BRB source for:

{T}he rules for Detachments and Formations only apply to models/units that are part of the Detachment or Formation. If a Formation or Detachment must appear on a certain turn, that will preclude Independent Characters who do not have the appropriate special rule from joining that unit.

The Formation special rules themselves do not apply to characters that join the Formation (unless specifically stated otherwise), although they may confer other special rules which do apply to characters that have joined units, such as Stealth or Stubborn.

Keep in mind that Stubborn is the standard and guide, and Stubborn can only give to and from the IC when it is part of a unit. The phrase using "have" means nothing as possession is not synonymous with giving. Even the rule that states the Special Rules do not automatically confer say NOTHING about the IC being its own unit.

First Blood is tallied at the end of the game, not during the game.

First Blood
The first unit, of any kind, to be completely destroyed during the game is worth 1 Victory Point to the opposing player at the end of the game.

By which point, the casualty IC is not part of the unit because it has been removed from coherency.

So, again, please show me where it explicitly says, "the IC is not considered part of the unit for this rule"?

Galef wrote:All rules can consider him part of the unit without meaning that he is no longer his own entity.

I have already demonstrated why it is not wise to recognize an IC's unit when it is joined to another. Our choices are the IC's unit identity is completely subsumed by the unit it joins or he can be shot independently, all Charges which will engage an IC must be Disordered, and it means we get to ignore, "If an Independent Character joins a unit, and all other models in that unit are killed, he again becomes a unit of one model at the start of the following phase."

Charistoph you really need to learn to use the Search key, you will find all these laid out clearly over many months.

If a Librarian joins a Tac squad, can the Librarian cast Powers? Please cite your rules to support.

NO where does it allow you to pick out an IC out of a unit to shoot at it unless specific circumstances are in place. Off the top of my head
1. Precision shot from a sniper
2. Focused Witchfire
using either of these for example from CSM allows you to roll on the boon table, so it is possible to do this under special circumstances. barring other special rules I am not familiar with it would be impossible. Now when it comes to victory points if you wipe out a unit that had and IC in it thats 2 kill points. So yes, it counts as its own unit, You cant deny kill points by matching up ICs with other units. There are in game examples and rules that say they are both their own unit and a part of that unit.

That is the precedent I would use to say the FAQ is correct.

Fragile wrote:
Charistoph you really need to learn to use the Search key, you will find all these laid out clearly over many months.

If a Librarian joins a Tac squad, can the Librarian cast Powers? Please cite your rules to support.

Actually the rules get more muddled when you have IC pskyers joining other units with psychic powers. There's been plenty of discussions over the last few months with some of the things being debated repeatedly. One thing that's become apparent is the absolute hash they made of things by using the term "psyker unit" and not suitably differentiating from a normal "unit".

Fragile wrote:Charistoph you really need to learn to use the Search key, you will find all these laid out clearly over many months.

I have seen many of those discussions, and participated in some. People seem to brush things off without properly addressing them no matter how many times I ask. Your response is more of someone who is unwilling to accept the challenge.

Fragile wrote:
If a Librarian joins a Tac squad, can the Librarian cast Powers? Please cite your rules to support.

I quoted it above. Where does it state the Librarian gets to be a separate unit while joined to another unit in the Psychic Powers? At least properly reference them if you do not wish to cite them.

redleger wrote:NO where does it allow you to pick out an IC out of a unit to shoot at it unless specific circumstances are in place. Off the top of my head

Then you completely missed the point of the statement.

IF an IC can be identified as its own unit, then one can choose to shoot at the IC's unit. If this is while the IC is joined to another unit, say, a Chaplain in a Crusader Squad, then I can choose to shoot at the Chaplain unit. The Sword Brother, Neophytes, and Initiaties would not be part of the Chaplain unit, so not available to have Wounds allocated to them. Since the Wounds cannot be allocated to anything else, Look Out Sir would not be available.

Do you understand now?

The only acceptable alternative is that ICs are not recognized as their own unit when joined to another. I have yet to see one single rule that allows the IC to be singled out as a UNIT when joined to another unit. As models, yes, most definitely, but not as units.

 Charistoph wrote:

Fragile wrote:Charistoph you really need to learn to use the Search key, you will find all these laid out clearly over many months.

I have seen many of those discussions, and participated in some. People seem to brush things off without properly addressing them no matter how many times I ask. Your response is more of someone who is unwilling to accept the challenge.

Fragile wrote:
If a Librarian joins a Tac squad, can the Librarian cast Powers? Please cite your rules to support.

I quoted it above. Where does it state the Librarian gets to be a separate unit while joined to another unit in the Psychic Powers? At least properly reference them if you do not wish to cite them.

That was a simple yes or no question that your avoiding. But I will help you. The answer clearly under the rules is No, but that is not how the game is played.

Fragile wrote:
That was a simple yes or no question that your avoiding. But I will help you. The answer clearly under the rules is No, but that is not how the game is played.

I am not avoiding it, You did not ask for a simple yes or no, you asked for citation as well. I cited the rules above. Can you not establish why you think it is No?

It gets more fun with the Librarian joined to a unit that has Brotherhood of Psykers. If the IC uses a power that requires measuring range, do you measure to the Librarian or one of the models with the BoP special rule? If the Librarian gets a Perils of the Warp result, does the Librarian suffer it, or is the Peril randomly allocated to one of the models with BoP? RAW, it's all done through the BoP unit according to the BoP rules. All this indicates is how poor a job they did writing the psyker rules and referring to "pskyer units" without adequate explanation (especially differentiating between psyker units and regular units, and how to handle IC's joining BoP units).. And, even here, he counts as part of the unit for things like not casting the same power twice but counts as separate from other pskyers he's joined to when figuring out warp charges generated. Inconsistent.

 doctortom wrote:
...but counts as separate from other pskyers he's joined to when figuring out warp charges generated.

This is not actually a rule.

We're not given any way to determine how many Warp Charges are generated by a psyker IC joined to another unit, other than in the one specific example given in the FAQ without the corresponding explanation that would make it an actual, useful answer.