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I've seen this theory bouncing around quite some threads...and I don't get it. They have absolutely nothing in common, their attittude is radically different, even their physical aspect doesn't match at all (I guess Gospels would have mentioned Jesus being a three meters tall giant) and, most of all, the Emp was a staunch atheist...heck, he made it a goal of abolishing religion, and Christianity, as evidenced by the novel "The Last Church", shared this fate.

So...why do people say that? I don't get it...

Also, didn't he "impersonate" Saint George (which is much more fitting)?

The Emperor is 50,000 ish years old, he's done a lot of stuff in his time. Including being a "Messiah", in some old fluff. Clearly his stance on religion changed over time.

But you shouldn't mix real world religion with 40k. The 40k universe has literal daemons popping out of people, and the Ghengis Khan equivalent was a daemon prince, it's not the same as our history, despite similarities.

Jesus is an electromagnetic pulse? Makes sense.

I think it's a case of people taking the whole "the emperor was a bunch of important people in history" to the limit. and it was already past the limit.

The real truth is that the emperor was Seabiscuit.

Ofcourse not we all know that he was Hitler and Stalin at the same time.

Having not seen this theory before, I'm not sure exposure to it has enlightened me in any way. Hey ho.

WaaaghBozz wrote:
I've seen this theory bouncing around quite some threads...and I don't get it. They have absolutely nothing in common, their attittude is radically different, even their physical aspect doesn't match at all (I guess Gospels would have mentioned Jesus being a three meters tall giant) and, most of all, the Emp was a staunch atheist...heck, he made it a goal of abolishing religion, and Christianity, as evidenced by the novel "The Last Church", shared this fate.

So...why do people say that? I don't get it...

Also, didn't he "impersonate" Saint George (which is much more fitting)?

Regarding attitude and atheistic things can change. Maybe he tried other things in his vision for humanity's future. After all he originally didn't plan to lead directly yet did when he became emperor=already proof of changing attitudes.

Regarding physical aspects. He's powerful psyker. It's strongly implied he can alter how he's seen. We don't neccessarily know how he actually TRULY looks like.

Though yeah there's no proof he was. All we know for sure is that he has been several historical figures in his goal of moving humanity toward his vision. Jesus definitely would fit there. But certain? No.

It was implied in one of the original Realm of Chaos books and made reference to the fact that the emperor guided mankind along a certain path over the millennia by being a visionary, religious leader, scientist or other notable person.

This got a side-bar way back in one of the RT suppliments, probably RoC as mentioned.
IIRC, lots of historical names were bandied about, but I think they stopped short of saying he was Jesus, just implying it.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
The Emperor is 50,000 ish years old, he's done a lot of stuff in his time. Including being a "Messiah", in some old fluff. Clearly his stance on religion changed over time.

But you shouldn't mix real world religion with 40k. The 40k universe has literal daemons popping out of people, and the Ghengis Khan equivalent was a daemon prince, it's not the same as our history, despite similarities.

I take it you've not heard the HH audiobook "The Last Church" then?

Of course I have . It cements the Emperor's stance of atheism. This is expanded upon further in Master of Mankind.

It's heavily implied the Emperor has been many of the greatest/worst people in human history. All part of his plan to control humanity ages later.

You can track some of it. Saint George vs the Dragon? Emperor vs the Void Dragon, for example.

There are a few superficial similarities (both laid down their lives for humanity, both are worshipped by multitudes of humans, both have miraculous powers) but at the heart are drastically different people. Jesus never killed anyone in battle, was not atheist and allows people the free will to not follow Him.

CplPunishment wrote:
There are a few superficial similarities (both laid down their lives for humanity, both are worshipped by multitudes of humans, both have miraculous powers) but at the heart are drastically different people. Jesus never killed anyone in battle, was not atheist and allows people the free will to not follow Him.

Umm you realize all those can be explained by Emperor trying different way to lead humanity?

"Damn this didn't work. Time for plan 43421!"1

They are also both Perpetuals, so there is that
It could also be that the worship of Jesus gave the Emprah power and was the seed of humanity becoming a psychic race. This could all have been part of the Emprah's plan and once phase 1 was complete (i.e humanity was psychic and spread throughout the galaxy) the Emprah changed tactic to reign it in a abolish religion.
If you think about it, Christianity has been the most anti-other religions religion for centuries. If Emps really was Jesus, this may have been the plan all along. Condense all religions into 1, then get rid of it.

I'm not saying the Emperor is supposed to have been Jesus, but I could see it.

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Captyn_Bob wrote:
Of course I have . It cements the Emperor's stance of atheism. This is expanded upon further in Master of Mankind.

Then you'll be aware then that this story mixes real-world religion with 40k's own one. Which is what I was referencing,

tneva82 wrote:

CplPunishment wrote:
There are a few superficial similarities (both laid down their lives for humanity, both are worshipped by multitudes of humans, both have miraculous powers) but at the heart are drastically different people. Jesus never killed anyone in battle, was not atheist and allows people the free will to not follow Him.

Umm you realize all those can be explained by Emperor trying different way to lead humanity?

"Damn this didn't work. Time for plan 43421!"1

You make the Emperor sound like Tzeentch and claim that the Emperor was Jesus. That's what I call double-heresy. XD

So what exactly would he be trying to accomplish by taking on the role of Jesus? Hasn't the Emperor's endgame goal always been the same (according to the fluff)? Jesus and the Emperor have two different and irreconcilable endgames: Jesus wants to spend eternity with us in the spiritual paradise that is heaven; the Emperor wants a physical human empire to rule the Milky Way for...ever?

The emperor didn't attempt to rule mankind for 40,000 years. Only the complete cluster bomb that was the eldar race imploding convinced him it was necessary to step in to save humanity.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Ofcourse not we all know that he was Hitler and Stalin at the same time.

No, not at the same time. He would secretly travel between Berlin and Moscow, assuming the personality of Hitler or Stalin as needed. This is the true reason why both Hitler and Stalin were so secretive and spent most time alone in their rooms.

The perception of God has seemingly evolved over the centuries depending on what kind of God society needed him or her to be at the time.

Vengeful, merciful etc.. are qualities some exemplified at times in history more than others.

it is possible, in regards to 40k fiction, that emps impersonated Jesus (despite how he may have felt about organized religion) feeling it was the best course of action at thee time.

it is also possible that he was guiding him if not impersonating him.

Just like he impersonated Gilgamesh, Mohamed, and Santa Clause.

Perhaps there was a need for these mortal personifications at the time before the populace was ready for Imperial Truth.

We do not know the Emps end game...

Again we are talking fiction here so anything can happen...

tneva82 wrote:

WaaaghBozz wrote:
I've seen this theory bouncing around quite some threads...and I don't get it. They have absolutely nothing in common, their attittude is radically different, even their physical aspect doesn't match at all (I guess Gospels would have mentioned Jesus being a three meters tall giant) and, most of all, the Emp was a staunch atheist...heck, he made it a goal of abolishing religion, and Christianity, as evidenced by the novel "The Last Church", shared this fate.

So...why do people say that? I don't get it...

Also, didn't he "impersonate" Saint George (which is much more fitting)?

Regarding attitude and atheistic things can change. Maybe he tried other things in his vision for humanity's future. After all he originally didn't plan to lead directly yet did when he became emperor=already proof of changing attitudes.

Regarding physical aspects. He's powerful psyker. It's strongly implied he can alter how he's seen. We don't neccessarily know how he actually TRULY looks like.

Though yeah there's no proof he was. All we know for sure is that he has been several historical figures in his goal of moving humanity toward his vision. Jesus definitely would fit there. But certain? No.

Maybe he was Judas?

the emeperor's plan was mostly to protect humanity from chaos. his original plan was top use faith as a sheild, as pure faith really was the best tool, unfortunatly it proved too easily perverted so by 30k he decided to try another approuch

It is said that one of the Emperor's more influential personas over the millennia, was of a bright eyed young painter who held sway over a vast legion of painters and artisans. Though his name has long been lost to the annals of history, it is believed he hailed from the ancient island of Rhodes and had a peculiar habit of always wearing two thin jackets.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
But you shouldn't mix real world religion with 40k.

That is literally what 40k is.

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace, but a sword."

Mathew 10:30

Jesus was not above using violence to get his way.

WaaaghBozz wrote:
I guess Gospels would have mentioned Jesus being a three meters tall giant

because he wasn't. Not that I'm insisting he was jesus, but the emperor isnt a three metre tall glowing gold giant. Thats one of the most important details you pick up in The Last Church and more or less confimed in Deliverance Lost: the Emperor looks like Revalation; a fairly nondescript human dude. Thats why Corax (heavily implied to be a pariah) sees revalation when the emperor first lands, and the emperor is surprised he can do that.

Deuteronomy 13:
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt.

Can totally see the Emperor being Jesus at one point

Interesting tidbit I've noticed in the Thousand Sons novel. The book of Magnus is written in the same language as the book of Enoch

GodDamUser wrote:


Can totally see the Emperor being Jesus at one point

Why would a quote by Moses lead you to the Emperor being Jesus?

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Why would a quote by Moses lead you to the Emperor being Jesus?

Yeah do admit that last one was being a tad lazy on my behalf.

But you can also say, that Moses was Quoting the word of God, and several Christian religions have Jesus as the embodiment of God (not just son or Prophet) so it could be argued that Moses was speaking on Jesus' Behalf... Or as this all takes place before Jesus was around that Moses too was the Emperor (really you could say any major leader is the emperor, the Joke atm in our work email trail is that Trump is really the god Emperor)