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So, I decided on Loyalist AL after a friend convinced me that AL suited me better than Iron Warriors. I picked up a box of BaC to start with, but I need some advice on things to look at or things to avoid. The biggest issue I can find is that I don't know how to deal with armor.

Here is my 1500pt list:

HQs:
Legion Praetor w/ Aether-Rune Armor, Jump Pack, Iron Halo, Power Dagger, Digital Lasers, Grenade Harness, Archaeotech Pistol, Mastercrafted Paragon Blade
Sabatuer w/ Artifice Armor, Volkite Charger, Refractor Field, Power Dagger, Venom Spheres

Troops:
2x 10 man Legion Tactical Squad w/ Additional Combat Blades, Bolters, Sergeant w/ Artificer Armor, Lightning Claw, Melta Bombs, Power Dagger, Bolter, Legion Rhino w/ Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor

Elites:
5x Lernaen Terminators, Sergeant w/ Power Dagger, Venom Sphere Harness, Land Raider Proteus w/ Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor

Heavy Support:
Sicaran Venator w/ Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Dozer Blade

Land Speeders with grav-guns are your way to go to deal with armor.

As a general point, boys are better than toys, I think you've overspent on most of your units.
Take a look at Armillus Dynat and Alpharius. Both are great characters.
Avoid headhunters at all costs, they are cool models but absolutely appalling, they can match the cost of terminators and have none of the resilience. Seekers are plain better.

The praetor cannot take a grenade harness if he isn't in terminator armour and aether-rune armour is Space Wolves only.
I'd seriously consider cutting the archaeotech pistol, it is expensive and won't do much.
The jump pack makes him very manouverable but leaves him open to being sniped.
He clocks in at nearly 230pts, for a character who is not Sigismund.
If you are determined to take a jump pack, support the praetor with a tooled up assault squad or command squad.

Similarly, I'd cut the sabateur, he cannot join units so is almost guaranteed to be lost fairly early on.
If you really want to keep him, he doesn't need Venom Spheres, 1 impact hit wont do much against power armour.

Your tacticals are way over-upgraded, ACCWs will do next to nothing on a ten man squad, there was a thread about this earlier in the week.
The power daggers, lightning claws, meltabombs and artificer armour are too expensive for a sergeant.
I would take meltabombs and artificer OR a power fist and artificer armour.
Rhinos gain a lot from taking a pintle heavy weapon, pintle multi-meltas would provide some anti-armour capability.
Auxilliary drives are a personal choice, but I dont think you need it unless its a spartan or a land raider.

Lernaeans are cool if you are delivering them as quickly as possible.
Their cost is comparable to regular terminators with volkite chargers and they get a few good buffs.

The proteus can take an additional TL lascannon.
Note that it is not an assault vehicle, so the terminators have to spend a turn standing in the open, if you want an assault vehicle, the Phobos is the place to go.

I'd grab an assault squad to acompany the praetor along with an apothecary with a jump pack. Alternatively, grab two vindicators or laser destroyer vindicators for support.

Thanks for the advice and corrections. I wonder how battle scribe gave me that armor. Anyhow, I decided to try something else, and came up with this.

HQs:
Delagatus w/ Cataphractii Armor and Lightning Claws

Elites:
Apothecarion Detachment w/ 2× Apothecaries w/ Power Sword and Power Dagger
5 man Legion Terminators w/ Lightning Claws, Grenade Harness

Troops:
2x 10 man Veteran Tactical Squad w/ Vexilla, Nuncio Vox, 2x Meltaguns, Sarge w/ Artificer Armor, Power Fist, Power Dagger

FA:
5 man Headhunters w/ Heavy Bolter, Sarge w/ Artificer Armor

HS:
2x 5 man HS squad w/ Missile Launchers, Sarge w/ Power Dagger, Artificer Armor

RoW: Chosen Duty

I feel like I have enough anti tank to deal with most threats since I should be able to sneak fairly easy into their deployment zone or close enough. Think this list works better?

You should take 4+ Tactical Squads in Rhino's with pintle Multi-melta's if you are going MSU. And cheap- get rid of everything on them except maybe a melta-bomb or p-fist on the Sergeant. It's far too easy to remove a Rhino or 10 model Tacs from the table. Otherwise, Tacticals should be no less then 15 models, and at that point, you can start to consider the toys on the Sergeant and Apothecaries. Good call on the Vexcilla. Should be standard equipment for MSU.

Headhunters... Unless you have a RoW or bonuses specifically for Headhunters, I'd go with a Seeker Squad with Combi plasma or Melta and Melta Bombs instead. Actually, I'd take a Destroyer Squad with Missile Launcher and Rad Missiles and go hunting MSU units.

You picked up the Battle of Calth- where is the Contemptor Dread? That thing is totally worth it.

What version of Terminator Armor are you using? I'd suggest Tartartus, even with its 5++, you will get to sweep, and that's critical with a unit armed with nothing but Lightning Claws. Otherwise, you win the assault, the unit falls back, shoots you the next turn, and charges you. Or something similar.

Don't go with a 5-model Heavy Support Squad. They will disappear faster then the dice roll to hit them with a Pie Plate of Doom. And five Missile Launchers won't do much- 10 will be much better.

And why take out the Sicaran Venator? It's one of the best tanks in 30K.

Welcome to 30K! Have fun!

 Tamwulf wrote:
You should take 4+ Tactical Squads in Rhino's with pintle Multi-melta's if you are going MSU. And cheap- get rid of everything on them except maybe a melta-bomb or p-fist on the Sergeant. It's far too easy to remove a Rhino or 10 model Tacs from the table. Otherwise, Tacticals should be no less then 15 models, and at that point, you can start to consider the toys on the Sergeant and Apothecaries. Good call on the Vexcilla. Should be standard equipment for MSU.

Headhunters... Unless you have a RoW or bonuses specifically for Headhunters, I'd go with a Seeker Squad with Combi plasma or Melta and Melta Bombs instead. Actually, I'd take a Destroyer Squad with Missile Launcher and Rad Missiles and go hunting MSU units.

You picked up the Battle of Calth- where is the Contemptor Dread? That thing is totally worth it.

What version of Terminator Armor are you using? I'd suggest Tartartus, even with its 5++, you will get to sweep, and that's critical with a unit armed with nothing but Lightning Claws. Otherwise, you win the assault, the unit falls back, shoots you the next turn, and charges you. Or something similar.

Don't go with a 5-model Heavy Support Squad. They will disappear faster then the dice roll to hit them with a Pie Plate of Doom. And five Missile Launchers won't do much- 10 will be much better.

And why take out the Sicaran Venator? It's one of the best tanks in 30K.

Welcome to 30K! Have fun!

It's not so much MSU as prudence. The friend who got me to make a 30k army has 3 medusas. I don't like them. He can only shoot 1 squad a turn, and I hope the survivors can hurt them back. Beyond that, these are Vets, and can't be fielded in squads larger than 10. I'm planning to try and get them close enough to the enemy deployment zone to burn out some hulls.

I took the Headhunters to take care of enemy HQs. At 1500 points, they are not liable to have much for a deathstar, so Headhunters should work. As for that contemptor, I will only field the forge world one. The AL one is gorgeous. All the terminators are cataphractii.

Are you intending to play 'Infiltrate Alpha Legion'?
This affects the list-built quite a lot compared to 'mutable tactics Alpha Legion'

It is more efficient to buy the delegatus a single lightning claw and a power dagger, then you can keep the combi-bolter in his off-hand.
Similarly, it is cheaper to buy the terminator sergeant a power dagger instead of the extra LC.

The apothecaries don't gain anything from the power dagger, as its a specialist weapon, if you have a power sword, you are never going to choose to use the dagger.

Nuncio-voxes do nothing in this list, as there are no deep-strikers nor are there any barrage weapons.

Headhunters have no impact against characters.
Any character of value has artificer armour and more than one wound, making banestrike bolter rounds utterly redundant.
Seekers do thier job better (dedicated AP2 from Scorpius Bolts) and cheaper (155pts vs 175pts).
Granted, you lose out on power daggers and venom spheres, but these are also practically redundant on such a small unit.

Pop any dreadnought in a dreadnought drop pod and arrive behind the medusae. They will have a sad time.

Frankly, I preferred the original list, I thought it was more original for a BaC build.


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Plenty of anti-light armour and TEQ from rending bolters and heavy bolters, 5 terminators, enough anti-heavy armour to tear open the medusae twice over in a single turn.
The praetor joins a squad to infiltrate forwards and can either stay for survival or jump out to kill small targets.

As all new 30k players are known to due (apparently), I got it wrong when it came to understanding Rites of War. I thought I could just take as many as wanted, and was forcing myself into Coils of the Hydra with their Infiltrate rule on infantry. I decided to go into a Delegatus for their relatively cheap ability to field Veterans. Ironically, the only reason i took that Venator in the original is because it fit the points. I have a mistrust of tanks from all the time I've spent playing Tyranids and running Carnifexes. I thought the name was interesting and the rules looked fun with the snap shooting. I figured if I couldn't kill something, I could at least keep it from firing.

What if I took a Delegatus with AA, 3x Vet squads with Meltaguns and 2x full heavy support squads with missile launchers and 3 apothecaries for the Vets? Plenty of bodies to avoid complete wipeouts, and plenty of capabilities to wipe out infantry or tanks.