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Hi guys,

I mainly play necrons yet I have exhausted collection options for them and have turned my attention to the Ynnari. Going through the HQ's I found Illic nightspear has hatred and PE for necrons. Why is this?

Can someone point me towards the lore behind this?

Peobally something to do with the Necrotry being Acient enemies of the Old Ones and therefor Eldar

Ah ok, I can see that. Was hoping there was some cool fluff of him duking it out with some 'crons.

On that note its strange more Eldar stuff doesn't have this, I know they hate slaanesh already so it would be probably be too much for them to also hate Necrons, but it does make sense lore wise

Yeah, elfs are a hateful arrogant bunch.

Yeah it does make sense lore-wise.

There's a neat bit in the latest Eldar codex about him and another Ranger sniping at Necrons, the other ranger hitting them first to expose their power cores and then Illic hitting that with his warp-rift rifle so they can't phase out and rebuild themselves.

I do also think they should play up the ancient rivalry between the two more. It was a lot easier with Oldcrons (but then again, that fluff was just beautiful whereas the new stuff is just ok).

I quite like collecting armies that will be mortal enemies of each other, so you could make your Ynnari the enemies of your Necrons

The Necrons are responsible for the deaths of many of his friends and comrades. Generally a good enough of a reason to crusade against them. There's actually an interesting short story about the Carnac campaign that follows Illic. He was even held prisoner by them for at time, but he fought his way out swearing an oath of friendship with a White Scar.

Redseer wrote:
The Necrons are responsible for the deaths of many of his friends and comrades. Generally a good enough of a reason to crusade against them. There's actually an interesting short story about the Carnac campaign that follows Illic. He was even held prisoner by them for at time, but he fought his way out swearing an oath of friendship with a White Scar.

You know. Just for once. I'd like to read about a story where the Eldar and the Imperium didn't end up friends.

It's such a tired trope that I've actually come to expect it every single time a story involving the two is told. You'd be forgiven for thinking that they hadn't been killing each other for 10,000 years.

Carnac Campaign is cool though

I think he merely likes the sound that a bullet makes when hitting a necron's head. It's a very satisfying *plink* noise

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

Redseer wrote:
The Necrons are responsible for the deaths of many of his friends and comrades. Generally a good enough of a reason to crusade against them. There's actually an interesting short story about the Carnac campaign that follows Illic. He was even held prisoner by them for at time, but he fought his way out swearing an oath of friendship with a White Scar.

You know. Just for once. I'd like to read about a story where the Eldar and the Imperium didn't end up friends.

It's such a tired trope that I've actually come to expect it every single time a story involving the two is told. You'd be forgiven for thinking that they hadn't been killing each other for 10,000 years.

Carnac Campaign is cool though

I'm actually the opposite, I'd like to see both factions grow and get over themselves in the face of the apocalyptic threats facing them. He'll they don't necessarily have to be friends, just smart enough to realize they need each others help to avoid Chaos, tyranids, orks, or Necrons from overwhelming the universe. It's so boring watching imperial and Eldar forces get reduced to freaking morons stabbing each other in the back because grimdark. But that's just my opinion on the matter

I'm surprised the Eldar's hatred of the Necrons still exists in the face of Slaanesh. One wants their territory while the other wants to murderfuck their souls forever and ever amen.

Redseer wrote:
I'm actually the opposite, I'd like to see both factions grow and get over themselves in the face of the apocalyptic threats facing them. He'll they don't necessarily have to be friends, just smart enough to realize they need each others help to avoid Chaos, tyranids, orks, or Necrons from overwhelming the universe. It's so boring watching imperial and Eldar forces get reduced to freaking morons stabbing each other in the back because grimdark. But that's just my opinion on the matter

There actually is a story in which that happens, it's called Starcraft.

Redseer wrote:

I'm actually the opposite, I'd like to see both factions grow and get over themselves in the face of the apocalyptic threats facing them. He'll they don't necessarily have to be friends, just smart enough to realize they need each others help to avoid Chaos, tyranids, orks, or Necrons from overwhelming the universe. It's so boring watching imperial and Eldar forces get reduced to freaking morons stabbing each other in the back because grimdark. But that's just my opinion on the matter

True, if you end up playing up the whole 'good vs evil' thing with Imperium/Eldar on the 'good' side and things like Chaos on the 'evil' side.

I'd be willing to bet that over the years since the Fall, the Imperium has caused more Eldar deaths (and generally been a bigger threat to the Eldar due to their utterly xenophobic attitude) than Chaos warbands which are a minority compared to the galaxy-spanning Imperium.

Having each faction being just as deadly and inimical to one another as any other is fantastically refreshing coming from endless streams of unrealistic 'good vs evil' Tolkein-facsimilies, where it's utterly predictable that the men will ally with the elves against the evil orcs.

Each to their own though

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
I'm surprised the Eldar's hatred of the Necrons still exists in the face of Slaanesh. One wants their territory while the other wants to murderfuck their souls forever and ever amen.

Just because someone kills your wife, doesn't mean you forgive the (metal) person who killed your parents

Plus, the Necrons hate the Eldar too. I'd say they'd be perfectly happy to kill them all and break open their infinity circuits so Slaanesh can do her thing.

The War in Heaven is pretty unquestionably the most devastating war ever seen in the galaxy; war dwarfing conflicts like the rise of the beast or the horus heresy in the magnitude of devastation that was being unleashed. This was a war where both sides were routinely destroying whole solar systems as their standard tactics and were bending and twisting reality until it shattered at both the material and the warp level. It was a war that saw the Old Ones spit out warrior races like there was no tomorrow and the Necrons and C'tan building ever more grandiose and destructive weapons the likes of which the modern galaxy can't even fathom.

Which of course makes sense given 40k's thematics; older is basically always better outside of the Tau and Tyranids (even the Orks, judging by the monstrous level of technology, intelligence, and physical prowess that the Orks had under the Beast, were once far greater and much more dangerous than they are now; presumably the Beasts were something of a partial return to what the Orks were in their days of being the krork), and so the first conflict recorded in galactic history would be a mythical battle of gods that would tear apart stars and reshape the very fabric of the galaxy and allow all other conflicts in the setting to even happen millions and millions of years later.

If the Necrons were ever allowed to reawaken to the level they were functioning at during the war in heaven they would once again be at a level where the Old Ones decided that it was better to risk tearing apart the warp into the hell it is now than to allow the Necrons and C'tan to win. That is why the Eldar devote so much time to trying to stop the Necrons from awakening or uniting as well as stopping the C'tan from remaking themselves (though to be fair, nobody wants the C'tan back given that full powered C'tan were said to be able to destroy solar systems at will and alter the laws of reality on a similarly massive level with as much ease as you and I can use our imaginations; also they were big jerks). Because the Necrons are ultimately the most arrogant and selfish species in the galaxy. Every sapient Necron remembers a time before anyone, even the Eldar existed; and to them the galaxy is nothing more than something that needs to be reminded of its proper place; beneath the Necron bootheel.

The "living" are mewling children who at best, need to be broken into serfdom beneath an immortal aristocracy and at worst are there to be exterminated depending on the Necron dynasty in question's stance on the living. Compared to humans and Eldar, Necrontyr have basically always been shown to be a much more selfish, cruel, callous, and domineering people. They don't feel love, they don't feel compassion, but they do all feel tremendous and self centered ambition, perhaps born out of their fleshy bodies having lifespans short enough that forming such longterm relationships would be pointless but they would need to claw and struggle in the time they had to make their mark. For all that the newcron lore has given them personality, it's never really taken away from the fact that at their core; the Necrons are as bad for everyone else's health and well being as the Orks, Chaos, or Tyranids. Much like how in Warhammer Fantasy; at times the Undead might help out against Chaos, the Skaven, or the Greenskins; but you should never forget that at the end the Undead are sociopathic abominations who see the living as slaves at best and are evil to the core.

They're simply an evil that wants to conquer and enslave instead of corrupt or destroy. Well, some Necrons aren't too big on destroying. You've got plenty of Necrons who are absolutely all for exterminating the galaxy of all life like the Maynarkh dynasty.

 Kain wrote:

Which of course makes sense given 40k's thematics; older is basically always better

GW are brits, don't forget.

Illic Nightspear is also from Craftworld Alaitoc, the one Craftworld that remembered and watched out for the return of the Necrons.

 Imateria wrote:
Illic Nightspear is also from Craftworld Alaitoc, the one Craftworld that remembered and watched out for the return of the Necrons.

Man with the old Alaitoc disruption table you could defeat Necrons during deployment =D

GodDamUser wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Illic Nightspear is also from Craftworld Alaitoc, the one Craftworld that remembered and watched out for the return of the Necrons.

Man with the old Alaitoc disruption table you could defeat Necrons during deployment =D

Huh? Can you please explain he comment above. How is that possible, which edition was that rule from, and what did you have to do to win in that way?

 BobNT wrote:

Huh? Can you please explain he comment above. How is that possible, which edition was that rule from, and what did you have to do to win in that way?

3/4th ed

Necrons had a 'Phase Out Rule' so once they were under 25% of their starting numbers of Warriors on the board they would leave the table

Alaitoc had a special rule for each squad of Rangers and/or Pathfidners before the game starts you rolled on a table, which had a good chance of making your opponent place units into reserve.

So Turn one would start and the Necron player wouldn't have enough on his force left on the board so they would 'Phase Out'