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Hey Boyz!

I'm trying to work out an Inquisition list but I'm having trouble figuring out how to build it optimally. I know there are some differences between the 2 codexes and I'm confused on which to use / how they can be used together.
My main question is does one overrule the other? If so which one is current?

Some of the changes from C:I to C:IA that I've noticed,

No servitors in henchmen squads
DCA, Crusaders and Arcos must be taken as 3+ models
No servo skulls
Cheaper carapace and power armour for acolytes
One HQ per detatchment
Coteaz Obj Sec rule

So here are some of my questions,

Can I take C:IA Coteaz and 3 units of acolytes in chimeras for obj sec, take a C:I Inq with servo skulls and a shooty squad of plasma servitors and jokeros. But put Coteaz with the shooty squad for his deep strike shooting special rule?. Then take an additional C:IA Inq to go with a CC squad of DCA, Crusaders and Priest.

Is this setup legal? Any pointers would be much appreciated.

Cheers from the Jakman

I think it is legal but you would have 3 detachment there alone.

However to cover my back the ruling from GW could be that within 1 army you would have to choose 1 book or the other. I only ever played the older Inq book for the servo skulls

as far as I know you can mix and match between the books however you like. So your list would be 2 detachments

C:IA only allows 1 HQ per detachment

 rawne2510 wrote:
C:IA only allows 1 HQ per detachment

but the digital alows 2 hqs

terry wrote:

 rawne2510 wrote:
C:IA only allows 1 HQ per detachment

but the digital alows 2 hqs

C:IA only allows 1 Inquisitor (required) per detachment, which means OP's list has 3 detachments.

Overall I don't see any issues with the build mentioned it will be difficult to track who's ObSec and who's not though...

On the whole the only cool advantage of C:IA detachment is the ObSec rule for Coteaz and the potential for 2 Warlord traits in an army. Otherwise C:I is better (servo-skulls) and more flexible.

Thanks for the replies guys!

The core of my plan was to have 3 acolyte squads with plasma and carapace riding in psybolt chimeras, in Coteazs detatchment, capping objs. A plasma servitor / jokero squad in a bastion with Coteaz. The stormraven/talon formation with the CC squad in the raven.

I'm still a bit confused though. So can I take 2 C:IA detatchments (coteaz and acolytes for obj sec in one and 1 inq + CC squad for cheaper DCAs and Crusaders in the other) and a C:I detatchment for an Inq with skulls and shooty servitors?

Like, are people generally cool with taking many detatchments? Especially considering theyre small Inq ones?

1) yes, you can take the 3 detachments in 1 army

2) Coteaz only gives ObSec to the units in HIS detachment, not the whole army (just wanna make sure that's clear)

3) most people I know are cool with multiple detachments, most US tournaments allow up to 3 detachments. If you're really concerned about it, ask your opponent first.

the_Jakman wrote:
Hey Boyz!

I'm trying to work out an Inquisition list but I'm having trouble figuring out how to build it optimally. I know there are some differences between the 2 codexes and I'm confused on which to use / how they can be used together.
My main question is does one overrule the other? If so which one is current?

Some of the changes from C:I to C:IA that I've noticed,

No servitors in henchmen squads
DCA, Crusaders and Arcos must be taken as 3+ models
No servo skulls
Cheaper carapace and power armour for acolytes
One HQ per detatchment
Coteaz Obj Sec rule

So here are some of my questions,

Can I take C:IA Coteaz and 3 units of acolytes in chimeras for obj sec, take a C:I Inq with servo skulls and a shooty squad of plasma servitors and jokeros. But put Coteaz with the shooty squad for his deep strike shooting special rule?. Then take an additional C:IA Inq to go with a CC squad of DCA, Crusaders and Priest.

Is this setup legal? Any pointers would be much appreciated.

Cheers from the Jakman

You're mostly correct.
Crusaders and DCA only need to be 2 models, not 3 - All the squads have a 30pt minimum, but Arcos are 5pts cheaper per model in IA, so you get 3 for the price of 2. (A well needed change, IMO.)
Also, while you lose servo skulls, if you're taking an IA inquisitor you get a free Warlord trait for them, so in my opinion it is absolutely worth it. Warlord traits are often awesome, especially including some of the Inquisition ones.

Also, the Jaekero were changed in IA, you do NOT want to take them from the Inquisition codex. In the Inquisition codex, a '6' result for the Jaekero gives you two extra rolls on the buff table - With the same modifiers as before, but ignoring further '6' results and duplicates. Since 2s and 3s are the best results (Most of the time, at least,) that's actually a bad thing - And if you have too many Jaekero, you can actually screw yourself out of any buffs at all, because if you roll several 6s in a row (Including modifiers, so basically if you roll multiple 3+s,) then you're getting worse buffs than if you took fewer Jaekero.
However, in IA, it was changed - A '6' now gives you your PICK of any two buffs. You can choose whichever two benefit you the most. You could take 12 power armored Acolytes, then give them all +1 to their armor save and a 5+ invuln guaranteed for a massive unit of 9pt models with Terminator saves.

You don't want to take Jokaero from C:IA unless you're taking the grand formation near the back of the book though. They don't have Independent Character in C:IA so they can't join other units and are standalone units unto themselves.

What are the odds that the older dex gets voided with the new edition? Battle sisters are in same strange boat.

The current ruling is you may use whichever you have however you have, but you may not mix and match. For example, if you have the original Inquistion codex: you may take anything from that book using its rules. You may then take a separate detachment from the IA book, and use those rules for that detachment. This is currently legal but wonky and kinda jerky (so get your opponents permission!). It would be more socially acceptable to do one or the other.

The IA codex lets Acolytes take DT Valkyries, which is nice.

SJ

 Tsol wrote:
The current ruling is you may use whichever you have however you have, but you may not mix and match. For example, if you have the original Inquistion codex: you may take anything from that book using its rules. You may then take a separate detachment from the IA book, and use those rules for that detachment. This is currently legal but wonky and kinda jerky (so get your opponents permission!). It would be more socially acceptable to do one or the other.

You can't mix within the same unit entry, but you can within a detachment, unless you can show me where it state difference. Seeing how the detachments only talk about them needing the inquisition faction

The Inquisitorial Detachment (C:Inq) is 1-2 HQ, 0-3 Elite.

The Inquisitorial Representative (C:IA) is 1 HQ, 0-3 Elite.

They are both legal and can be fielded together, however, the units in each codex have slightly different options.

SJ

terry wrote:

 Tsol wrote:
The current ruling is you may use whichever you have however you have, but you may not mix and match. For example, if you have the original Inquistion codex: you may take anything from that book using its rules. You may then take a separate detachment from the IA book, and use those rules for that detachment. This is currently legal but wonky and kinda jerky (so get your opponents permission!). It would be more socially acceptable to do one or the other.

You can't mix within the same unit entry, but you can within a detachment, unless you can show me where it state difference. Seeing how the detachments only talk about them needing the inquisition faction

I think I didn't make clear what I meant, so I'll try to be less vague here.

I am fairly confident they said in FAQ, (this is pretty much for all detachments/book expansions) that you may use whichever you have.You may use whatever ruleset as you please, even side by side, but you may not mix and match each codex/supplement with each other. A more specific example, you can not take the detachment from the Sister of Battle codex and mix the rules from Imperial Agents of the sisters detachment. You can use both, as two separate detachments, but you can not take a special rules or change profile in one of the codex/supplement and swap it out for the other.

Another example is, you cannot take the Inquisition Warband from Imperial Agents and swap out unit profiles or datasheet from the digital Inquisition codex. IE think servo skulls. You can still take servo skull by taking a detachment from the codex, but you can't slide that upgrade/unit into the new Imperial agents detachment, but you can have servoskulls from the original codex, along with a second detachment which is following the Imperial Agents rules.

No I think they are saying you can use 1 book or the other within your army and not both

Well, whoever "they" are, "they" aren't GW. Tsol has the right of it.

SJ

Yeah. Honestly, I think it's a bit cheesy to run both together since I expect that the IA is a de facto update that's also consolidating slightly simpler versions of a few lists, but considering they have Deathwatch in both and that recently came out and Inquisition is both a different name and still being sold, both are clearly legal for the moment.