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We have Magnus back bombing around the Imperium, and Roboute doing his thing trying to salvage the Imperium.

It occurs to me that we have a rather interesting option, especially based on the rumors that Blood Angels are about to have some storyline focus once again.

(Link: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/40k-future-blood-angels-narrative-teaser.html)

I know, I know, BoLS. Don't click it if you don't want to (I didn't like linking it either), but it essentially points to the possibility of Blood Angels fighting desperately to save the Baal system from a rather massive Tyranid Hive Fleet in the near future.

Most of this I'm sure people are well aware of. Now let me introduce a wrinkle.

Roboute in fact died in Gathering Storm 3 after the stasis field closed/turned off, prompting the eldar to resurrect him with the aid of his new armor. This prompts me to start thinking about other fluff and possibilities that might warrant a second look.

What if, with the possibility of the Blood Angels taking more central stage in the gathering storm narrative, the eldar show up in the Baal system and are able to resurrect a second primarch from beyond the grave. Namely, Sanguinius. The Blood Angels still have his body, and it too is in stasis deep underneath the fortress monastery of the Blood Angels on Baal.

I of course don't expect to see this happen, but there is precedent for it with what occurred in Gathering Storm 3, and the Eldar were last seen parting company with Guilliman for parts unknown.

It would certainly be a curve ball that NOBODY would see coming I expect. Sanguinius would pair nicely with Guilliman I think.

That being said, there are multiple other primarchs more likely to make a return to the stage at this point. The Lion, Leman Russ, Fulgrim, Morarion, Khan, and even Rogal Dorn are possibilities that each hold merit and various degrees of rumor mill support and leaks showing possible models in Mortarion's case.

Still, the possibility is there and worth at least mentioning I think.

Just random thoughts I figured I'd share to see what people think. Take it easy for now folks.

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could be and I'd love to see him back. problem is Sanguinis is too good a guy, from a story POV I'd go with Russ or the Lion or something. someone whom would leave Gulliman in charge, but constantly bash heads with him

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BrianDavion wrote:
could be and I'd love to see him back. problem is Sanguinis is too good a guy, from a story POV I'd go with Russ or the Lion or something. someone whom would leave Gulliman in charge, but constantly bash heads with him


I see Sanguinius as being something of a foil to Guilliman, with another of the loyalist brother primarchs perhaps coming in to provide some angst but not at the risk of causing a rift by countermanding Guilliman whole-sale. Queue the Lion, or Russ (the obvious choice) for this role.

I suspect to see at least three primarchs from both sides of the coin (Loyalist and Chaos) eventually, if not more, and all tentative signs point to Magnus (obviously...), Mortarion, and with the mention of a snake like monster being seen in the Gathering Storm side blurbs in the book, Fulgrim being the three for Chaos. With Guilliman leading the Loyalist side, we can only speculate on what other primarchs will be joining him in the fight. Obvious front runners are the Lion, and Russ, with Khan being another possible option, and Rogal Dorn yet another. With how the story is developing, I wouldn't put it past the writers in this instance. It would certainly be an unexpected twist for sure, and I can't think of a better 'good guy' foil for Guilliman and the Imperium than Sanguinius, or Vulkan of course.

Like I said, it's little more than wishing at this point, but there is some logic to the wishing at least.

Take it easy for now.

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That's an interesting hypothesis. Is there an instance where Ynnead brings back someone who died a long time ago? I've only read the summaries of the Gathering Storm books, but from what I've seen it seems to require the death to happen in front of Yvraine.

At least that's what I've taken from it; could be wrong.

   
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 Frstwlf wrote:
That's an interesting hypothesis. Is there an instance where Ynnead brings back someone who died a long time ago? I've only read the summaries of the Gathering Storm books, but from what I've seen it seems to require the death to happen in front of Yvraine.

At least that's what I've taken from it; could be wrong.


I don't know, it's very possible that is a requirement for Yvraine to have her power over death to come into play. I haven't read everything yet either (Just picked up Gathering Storm 3 here, will be reading through the story soon I hope once I can sit down with the book).

I'd be very curious to see if there's more substance to the possibility or if it's just me taking wishful thinking to an unhealthy level.

Once I get some reading done, I'll add in if her presence when death occurs is a requirement for Yvraine to bring someone back.

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I sorta have a hard time seeing that as I consider Sanguinius as one of the top 10 most dead people who aren't coming back of the galaxy. Maybe even top 5. I don't know the lore well enough though.

I have nothing against him or even the Blood Angels getting something cool. It just doesn't right bringing Sanguinius back. This 40K, not the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Some people have got to stay dead for death mean anything story wise.
   
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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I sorta have a hard time seeing that as I consider Sanguinius as one of the top 10 most dead people who aren't coming back of the galaxy. Maybe even top 5. I don't know the lore well enough though.

I have nothing against him or even the Blood Angels getting something cool. It just doesn't right bringing Sanguinius back. This 40K, not the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Some people have got to stay dead for death mean anything story wise.


you mention marvel and I feel it's worth noting that after being dead for 60 years (real time) marvel brought Bucky back...

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Didn't rowboat still have constant pain from his injury, given the need of a life support suit I'd say there's a limit to the powers and while it was enough to spark him back to life it wasn't enough to get him fully going. Sanguinius may be too far gone.

   
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People are truly naive if they don't think every last primarch will eventually return when they print buckets of money.
   
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Ferrus Manus could also make a return. Apparently he keeps getting cloned. Maybe Rowboat will break him out.


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Next ones are angron, mortarion and russ(dunno about order). If more comes that's long way off

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 Gamgee wrote:
People are truly naive if they don't think every last primarch will eventually return when they print buckets of money.

It's that point the game should be well and truly dead needing to cash in on such a thing but people will still buy it anyway.

   
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I wouldn't be surprised if bobby's "new marines" are a 2nd wave of loyalist primarchs.

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 n0t_u wrote:
 Gamgee wrote:
People are truly naive if they don't think every last primarch will eventually return when they print buckets of money.

It's that point the game should be well and truly dead needing to cash in on such a thing but people will still buy it anyway.


eh you say that but on the other hand GW's just giving the market what it wants. which is why they've added some of the stuff they've added of late, ad mech, GSCs, death watch, Primarchs these are all things the player base wants.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 n0t_u wrote:
 Gamgee wrote:
People are truly naive if they don't think every last primarch will eventually return when they print buckets of money.

It's that point the game should be well and truly dead needing to cash in on such a thing but people will still buy it anyway.


eh you say that but on the other hand GW's just giving the market what it wants. which is why they've added some of the stuff they've added of late, ad mech, GSCs, death watch, Primarchs these are all things the player base wants.


Doubtfull players really want such a fluff rape that horus back would require. He wasn't just killed but oblitared body and soul so that even chaos couldn't bring him back.

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God I hope not, bringing back people like Guilliman (basically dead) and Sanguinius (VERY dead) just seems like a blatent middle finger to all the 40k players who's primarchs are still alive.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 n0t_u wrote:
 Gamgee wrote:
People are truly naive if they don't think every last primarch will eventually return when they print buckets of money.

It's that point the game should be well and truly dead needing to cash in on such a thing but people will still buy it anyway.


eh you say that but on the other hand GW's just giving the market what it wants. which is why they've added some of the stuff they've added of late, ad mech, GSCs, death watch, Primarchs these are all things the player base wants.


One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong, can you tell me which thing is not like the other by the time I finish my song?
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Did you guess which thing was not like the others? Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong? If you guessed this one is not like the others, then you're absolutely right.
Primarchs

Specifically the loyalist primarchs, how they don't belong is those other things that had been added were existing forces within the game that for some reason didn't have their own rules. As for the primarch situation you have the big 4 mostly, then the loyalists at best have/had the lion, russ and perhaps vulkan. In all fairness though if they did bring the big 4 into the game then it would only be fair to consider bringing the loyalists ones in too, however it's still a slippery slope; one with rockets likely strapped to it's ass to help it speed along to the glorylands of power creep. Primarchs fit more into 30k than they do to 40k.

   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
God I hope not, bringing back people like Guilliman (basically dead) and Sanguinius (VERY dead) just seems like a blatent middle finger to all the 40k players who's primarchs are still alive.


I know, it would be much easier for the Khan to come roaring into realspace on a bitchin' motorcycle adorned in skulls or for the Salamanders to find relics to bring Vulkan back. It would be easier for Corax or Dorn to come back than for the Imperium to cut a deal with Eldar (who are likely doing this for their own reasons) to bring Guilliman back, imo.

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Mississippi

Who knows what's to come, but it does warrant some thought regarding the possibility, all-be-it unlikely.

I fully expect to see a fair portion of the Primarchs return in the game at some point or another over the ensuing years.

We have Magnus, and now Guilliman.

Strong rumors point to Mortarion, and the Lion being 'on deck' for upcoming releases. With mentions of Fulgrim as well.

After that you've got numerous 'missing' or otherwise mostly accounted for but unseen Primarchs scattered around Realspace, the warp and the webway.

I can see it happening, and as I said it would be a complete curve ball, a moment that causes folks to pause in surprise, much like the initial reaction to the Magnus reveal was for me, personally.

We shall see, as we're all riding this wave together.

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Leman Russ is coming im quite sure of it, he is top seller af FW ever since his release. GW dont wanna miss out on money

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 mrhappyface wrote:
God I hope not, bringing back people like Guilliman (basically dead) and Sanguinius (VERY dead) just seems like a blatent middle finger to all the 40k players who's primarchs are still alive.


^This. They're still several primarchs that could be very much alive. As much as we all love Sanguinius he is about as dead as anyone in the 40k setting gets. If they bring him back...well why not just bring back the Emperor himself?

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 Red__Thirst wrote:
Strong rumors point to Mortarion, and the Lion being 'on deck' for upcoming releases. With mentions of Fulgrim as well.


Next ones out are Mortarion, Angron and Russ.

After that who knows. That will likely take us well into 2018 as it is so any further primarches would be still far off.

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tneva82 wrote:
 Red__Thirst wrote:
Strong rumors point to Mortarion, and the Lion being 'on deck' for upcoming releases. With mentions of Fulgrim as well.


Next ones out are Mortarion, Angron and Russ.

After that who knows. That will likely take us well into 2018 as it is so any further primarches would be still far off.


I heard Mortarian, FULGRIM and Russ. I tend to be more inclined to belive that as Fulgrim, Mortarian and Magnus where the only primarchs mentioned by name in GS3which suggests toi me they're next

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Personally I feel like bringing back any primarchs is a giant middle finger to all those that died.

As for Sanguinius, one of the theories for the Sanguinor is that he's Sanguinius's spirit. So perhaps they find a way to mate his spirit to his body if they want to bring him back.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Red__Thirst wrote:
Strong rumors point to Mortarion, and the Lion being 'on deck' for upcoming releases. With mentions of Fulgrim as well.


Next ones out are Mortarion, Angron and Russ.

After that who knows. That will likely take us well into 2018 as it is so any further primarches would be still far off.


I heard Mortarian, FULGRIM and Russ. I tend to be more inclined to belive that as Fulgrim, Mortarian and Magnus where the only primarchs mentioned by name in GS3which suggests toi me they're next


Hastings says Mortarion, Angron and Russ and Hastings is generally pretty damn spot on. Where you heard Fulgrim? What's his/her track record?

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I wouldn't like to see Sanguinius return. It would ruin the drama of the closing moments of the Heresy and cheapen the background. Guilliman isn't bad because the door was left open for him returning

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tneva82 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Red__Thirst wrote:
Strong rumors point to Mortarion, and the Lion being 'on deck' for upcoming releases. With mentions of Fulgrim as well.


Next ones out are Mortarion, Angron and Russ.

After that who knows. That will likely take us well into 2018 as it is so any further primarches would be still far off.


I heard Mortarian, FULGRIM and Russ. I tend to be more inclined to belive that as Fulgrim, Mortarian and Magnus where the only primarchs mentioned by name in GS3which suggests toi me they're next


Hastings says Mortarion, Angron and Russ and Hastings is generally pretty damn spot on. Where you heard Fulgrim? What's his/her track record?


In the Gathering Storm series there's a small paragraph about a giant serpentine creature laying waste to pretty much everything. People tend to feel this is Fulgrim. Fulgrim was also mentioned by name in GS3. This is where a lot of people seem to get Fulgrim being one of the next ones with Mortarion who was also mentioned in GS3 combined with the leaked pics.

On another note, I can completely see them bringing Sanguinius back. He may be very dead but I don't think it will stop Yvraine if that's what GW wants to do, that added with the approaching Tyranid threat and the fact that the BA are pretty much on their own seems to be some pretty blatant forshadowing that a miracle of some kind will take place to get them out of this. Also see theories about the Sanguinor possibly being the primarchs spirit and the visions Dante has about fighting during the end of days or whatever with a golden figure. IIRC that's kinda whats kept Dante going for about 1000 years, that vision. I also wouldn't be surprised if the next 2 loyalist where Sanguinius and The Lion. Kind of a like a shout out to Imperium Secundus during the Heresy and it has a kind of continuity to it. I'm also a little biased as I play both factions...so....add salt haha. That's just my theories on it.

I also think that if they leave a primarch dead on each side it would be Horus and Ferrus. I'm not sure Ferrus has a body to bring back per se, and even if they have the body they'd need his head (attached? dunno?). That doesn't account for the rumors though. I can easily see them bringing back all of them with a clone for Ferrus. Maybe all these leaks about Abbadon dying are right...i can see some warp tomfoolery where he some how turns into Horus or even ascends some how to take Horus' place. At the end of the day GW does want to make money and people playing Iron Hands and Black Legion will probably feel a little slighted if they're the only ones without a primarch in the end. Maybe especially the Black Legion players as Abbadon has been a pretty big joke table top wise for so long.

Just my thoughts/theories.

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I think of all the primarchs Horus is the only one wear GW doesn't even have a hair to stand on, let alone a leg. He got annilated body and soul.
Ferrus would need a few contortions to do.
Maybe Abbadon just ascends to daemon-primarch levels in reward for all of his success?
Perhaps as a reward for taking the fight to Terra and killing The Emperor? Or maybe nearly killing the The Emperor is revived?
I'd hate anything involving a proper end game, but I hate the way the fluff is being catapulted anyways.
   
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Oh I think Horus coming back would be the dumpest thing ever. Doesn't mean GW won't try to make it make sense. I'd be ok with Abbadon turning into a Demon Prince. Poor guy has been working his ass off for 10k years, he could do with a pat on the back.

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