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I came across this scenario last night.

A unit consisting of yvraine shadowseer, beasts and visarch got a soul burst.

Is there any reason I can't split up the unit into it's constituent parts?

E.g.that the harlies break off individually creating 3 separate units.

I'm also assuming then that each unit would have counted for soul burst even though they weren't a unit before.

Thoughts?

This is a yes and no answer, and is covered by the RAW in the brb.

The unit is one unit when you nominate it to take a soulburst action.

The only time an IC can voluntarily leave an unit is at the end of the movement phase, and it must be more than 2" from the unit to do so at the end of the movement phase.

So you could use the soulburst to move and move the one unit, moving the ICs out of coherency- at the end of the movement they would be separate units.

You could not soulburst the unit and have each part of the unit do separate things like shoot separate things, or one assaults one shoots and one moves, etc because at that time they are still the single unit you nominated.

That would only work if the soulburst is during the Movement Phase, since the IC rules tell you that you check at the end of the Movement Phase to see if the ICs are attached to another unit.

 doctortom wrote:
That would only work if the soulburst is during the Movement Phase, since the IC rules tell you that you check at the end of the Movement Phase to see if the ICs are attached to another unit.

And when you Soulburst you move "As if it is your Movement Phase", so I believe Blaktoof is on the money here.

Yeah, that makes sense. "As if it were your Movement Phase" should allow it (unlike things like Charging in assault, which merely says to follow the rules for Movement with some extra reestrictions).

Here's a fun wrinkle:
-IC is joined to unit A,
-Unit A Soulbursts by moving and the IC moves into out of it.
-Using this Soulburst, the IC joins Unit B
-Both unit A & B are part of a Reborn host with 7+ units, so Unit B gets to soulburst as well.
-Does this mean an IC can Soulburst multiple times in a turn so long as if keeps becoming part of a unit that has yet to Soulburst?

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The IC wouldn't be able to join unit B.

The IC says you determine if it joined at the end of "their" Movement Phase. Soulburst lets the IC treat it as their movement phase, but unit B did not soulburst and would therefore not be treating it just like their movement phase. With the book saying "their", both the IC and the unit he's joining would have to treat it as their movement phase.

Now, if you could have unit B soulbursting along with unit A (perhaps you already had 7+ units)and you move both, you might be able to have an IC move from unit A to unit B. But, he wouldn't be part of unit B until both units had moved. It would also depend on whether you treat the end of a unit's soulburst movement as the end of the movement phase for the unit, or if you just treat the end of the current phase like it's the end of the (soulburst) movement phase as well as the end of whatever phase they're normally in.

 doctortom wrote:
The IC wouldn't be able to join unit B.

The IC says you determine if it joined at the end of "their" Movement Phase. Soulburst lets the IC treat it as their movement phase, but unit B did not soulburst and would therefore not be treating it just like their movement phase. With the book saying "their", both the IC and the unit he's joining would have to treat it as their movement phase.

Now, if you could have unit B soulbursting along with unit A (perhaps you already had 7+ units)and you move both, you might be able to have an IC move from unit A to unit B. But, he wouldn't be part of unit B until both units had moved. It would also depend on whether you treat the end of a unit's soulburst movement as the end of the movement phase for the unit, or if you just treat the end of the current phase like it's the end of the (soulburst) movement phase as well as the end of whatever phase they're normally in.

Just to add to this, from the BRB it notes:
"after an IC joins an unit that unit can move no further that movement phase"
"

Joining an new unit wouldn't give that unit a soulburst action.

The issue the BRB passage makes, and the Soulburst rule is the new unit the IC joins contains a model that soulburst that turn, as there is a limit on how many times an unit can soulburst this would affect the unit the IC joined as declaring a soulburst with the new uniy includes the IC now soulburst two times.

 Galef wrote:
Here's a fun wrinkle:
-IC is joined to unit A,
-Unit A Soulbursts by moving and the IC moves into out of it.
-Using this Soulburst, the IC joins Unit B
-Both unit A & B are part of a Reborn host with 7+ units, so Unit B gets to soulburst as well.
-Does this mean an IC can Soulburst multiple times in a turn so long as if keeps becoming part of a unit that has yet to Soulburst?

No, because after the IC joins, unit B is considered to have soulburst that turn, and cannot do it again.

But your example works the other way.

You choose Unit B first, to do anything except charging, and after that you choose Unit A to do a movement "as your movement phase" and move the IC into Unit B.

This creates some very interesting strategies and conundrums e.g. split a unit up to charge two separate units kill them so keep charge bonuses

Unit a soulbursts to join unit b

Does unit b count as already having soulburst?


Second question if I cast veil of tears or dance of shadows(or other psychic buffs) on unit of ICs, then via soulburst they split up and join 2 other units do I now have that benefit on all 3 units?

If they are independent they would benefit I think but if they join another unit do they carry it or loose it?