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So out of what we have to pick from, what is the best option for Anti-Air in a semi-competitive list?

- Razorwing Jetfighter
- Crimson Hunter
- Hemlock Wriathfighter
- Black Guardian War Walker with Eldar Missile Launcher
- Black Guardian Vyper with Eldar Missile Launcher
- (Black) Guardian Defender squad with Eldar Missile Launcher
- Wraithlord with Eldar Missile Launcher

Thanks in advance!

SG

If those are just only options (notice sometimes war walkers with massed scatter lasers and guide are quite efficient)

I suggest go for the Crimson hunter it's the most efficient one point wise

P.S: Razorwing can be handy too but the Hemlock it's useless vs Air btw.

Lord Perversor wrote:
If those are just only options (notice sometimes war walkers with massed scatter lasers and guide are quite efficient)

I didn't know that Scatter Lasers had Skyfire.

SG

Edit: After looking at the codex, it doesn't appear that Scatter Lasers have Skyfire. How can Scatter Lasers take out flyers?

 ServiceGames wrote:

Lord Perversor wrote:
If those are just only options (notice sometimes war walkers with massed scatter lasers and guide are quite efficient)

I didn't know that Scatter Lasers had Skyfire.

SG

They do not but using a Farseer granting them Twin-link with guide or prescience grants you a lot of S 6 shoots that can land and do the work.

The thing is EML are so expensive that for the cost of a couple of those you can get some other cheap units and perform similarly with better use elsewhere.

Quick example a Wraith lord with 2x EML worth as much as 3x WW with Scatter lasers and both will perform around similar hits per turn against Air units, but the turn you do not need to perform AA duty 24 S6 shoots will clearly provide better benefits than just 2x missiles anywhere else.

Crimson hunter especially with the formation.

 ServiceGames wrote:

Lord Perversor wrote:
If those are just only options (notice sometimes war walkers with massed scatter lasers and guide are quite efficient)

I didn't know that Scatter Lasers had Skyfire.

SG

Edit: After looking at the codex, it doesn't appear that Scatter Lasers have Skyfire. How can Scatter Lasers take out flyers?

Just in case there's a misunderstanding, weapons without Skyfire can still shoot at air they just only hit on '6's.

So you throw Guide/Prescience on a bunch of Scatter Lasers, basically Twin-Linking them and then go wild. 1/6 of your shots will hit and then 1/6 of your misses should hit the second time around. Throw enough volume of fire up and you can bring down some fliers.

Of the list, I sadly find EML's not to work too great just because the amount of shots they put out is so low and their point cost is so high.

Crimson Hunter by a long way.

Who on earth voted for the Razorwing?

Audustum wrote:
Just in case there's a misunderstanding, weapons without Skyfire can still shoot at air they just only hit on '6's.

So you throw Guide/Prescience on a bunch of Scatter Lasers, basically Twin-Linking them and then go wild. 1/6 of your shots will hit and then 1/6 of your misses should hit the second time around. Throw enough volume of fire up and you can bring down some fliers.

Of the list, I sadly find EML's not to work too great just because the amount of shots they put out is so low and their point cost is so high.

Thanks for the info! That makes a lot of sense. I appreciate it!

SG

And if I remember correctly, the BRB FAQ states that Blast weapons cannot touch Flyers, so the Hemlock should not be on this list at all.
Also, any of the Missile Launcher options should be removed as well. EMLs are just bad. Scatter lasers hitting on 6's are better all around.

So that leaves just the Razoriwng and Crimson Hunter. Considering my earlier comment about Blasts vs Flyers, I think we all know the correct choice here.

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 Galef wrote:
And if I remember correctly, the BRB FAQ states that Blast weapons cannot touch Flyers, so the Hemlock should not be on this list at all.
Also, any of the Missile Launcher options should be removed as well. EMLs are just bad. Scatter lasers hitting on 6's are better all around.

So that leaves just the Razoriwng and Crimson Hunter. Considering my earlier comment about Blasts vs Flyers, I think we all know the correct choice here.

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So, I guess it's come down to Vypers or War Walkers with Scatter Lasers backed up by a Farseer or the Crimson Hunter.

EDIT: Vypers and/or War Walkers can be on the table first turn where the Crimson Hunter would have to be second turn or later.

SG

No Swooping Hawks???

~Shadowseer Treads Upon Stars

Personally I'd run war walkers with scatters.
The sheer volume of fire is enough to get the job done pretty well.

On top of this, they can also perform other tasks too, in the event there isn't a flyer or that they have killed it already.
Most people tend to give them a wide birth due to their shooting aswell, or try to target them early on.
The range mixed with starting on the board means they generally do bloody well.

I've found that skyfire on poor weapons really means next to nothing when there's an option of a high shot volume able to do the job for less.

It also gives you the ability to hunt anything AV12 or less, chew through most units and force saves on deathstars or tough units.

I appreciate all the advice, guys. I couldn't make up my mind, so I picked up a Crimson Hunter and a War Walker.

SG

Crimson hunter exarch is by far the best.

which EML's? the basic or the USF ones? i ask because i can see using 2 of the USF ones on a black war walker with the other 2 walkers having scats. especially since they have skyfire

lliadon wrote:
which EML's? the basic or the USF ones? i ask because i can see using 2 of the USF ones on a black war walker with the other 2 walkers having scats. especially since they have skyfire

what gives them skyfire?

 gummyofallbears wrote:

lliadon wrote:
which EML's? the basic or the USF ones? i ask because i can see using 2 of the USF ones on a black war walker with the other 2 walkers having scats. especially since they have skyfire

what gives them skyfire?

EML's have Skyfire but scatters have enough shots to hit things when you take a lot of them.

For the Crimson Hunter, should I take two Bright Lances or two Starcannons. I'm thinking Bright Lances.

What do you all suggest?

Thanks

SG

pm713 wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:

lliadon wrote:
which EML's? the basic or the USF ones? i ask because i can see using 2 of the USF ones on a black war walker with the other 2 walkers having scats. especially since they have skyfire

what gives them skyfire?

EML's have Skyfire but scatters have enough shots to hit things when you take a lot of them.

I'm aware, I just thought he meant war walkers have native sky fire, my apologies

Crimson Hunter hands down.... I mean its made to be AA