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for tricking Russ into destroying his capital city and all

Did Magnus ever find out?
After all, he still spends all his time plotting against the Space Wolves rather than the Lunar Wolves.

I dont think he ever found out tbh

ooh, I thought Magnus was all about knowledge lol


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or maybe the Space Wolves could, you know, tell him haha

Thing is Magnus is not on team chaos as such. He downright ignores abaddons plans, refused to meet him. Had nothing to do with any of em and seems to only of been following the grudgematch with wolves exclusively.

He is chaos, but he is not part of the black crusade club and just refuses to see them regarding it.

 jhe90 wrote:
Thing is Magnus is not on team chaos as such. He downright ignores abaddons plans, refused to meet him. Had nothing to do with any of em and seems to only of been following the grudgematch with wolves exclusively.

He is chaos, but he is not part of the black crusade club and just refuses to see them regarding it.

When did Magnus refuse to meet Abaddon? But the thing is, does he know that Horus did it?

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Thing is Magnus is not on team chaos as such. He downright ignores abaddons plans, refused to meet him. Had nothing to do with any of em and seems to only of been following the grudgematch with wolves exclusively.

He is chaos, but he is not part of the black crusade club and just refuses to see them regarding it.

When did Magnus refuse to meet Abaddon? But the thing is, does he know that Horus did it?

Far as I know before one of the black crusades he went round the deamon primarchs to get the favour of various gods, war machines and rescources.
Fulgrim got a perfect psyker, angron he dueled enemies, mortition he gave somthibf and went to Magnus.
Magnus told him to feth off and later got his backing off arnham.

He refused him a audience when rounding up allies.

And .. I don,t k ow, if he did that might be somthibf to back up fact he never actively taken part in the black crusades or such.

 jhe90 wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Thing is Magnus is not on team chaos as such. He downright ignores abaddons plans, refused to meet him. Had nothing to do with any of em and seems to only of been following the grudgematch with wolves exclusively.

He is chaos, but he is not part of the black crusade club and just refuses to see them regarding it.

When did Magnus refuse to meet Abaddon? But the thing is, does he know that Horus did it?

Far as I know before one of the black crusades he went round the deamon primarchs to get the favour of various gods, war machines and rescources.
Fulgrim got a perfect psyker, angron he dueled enemies, mortition he gave somthibf and went to Magnus.
Magnus told him to feth off and later got his backing off arnham.

He refused him a audience when rounding up allies.

And .. I don,t k ow, if he did that might be somthibf to back up fact he never actively taken part in the black crusades or such.

That would mean that Gathering Storm would be the first time he's seen the other Traitor Primarchs in 10k years right?

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Thing is Magnus is not on team chaos as such. He downright ignores abaddons plans, refused to meet him. Had nothing to do with any of em and seems to only of been following the grudgematch with wolves exclusively.

He is chaos, but he is not part of the black crusade club and just refuses to see them regarding it.

When did Magnus refuse to meet Abaddon? But the thing is, does he know that Horus did it?

Far as I know before one of the black crusades he went round the deamon primarchs to get the favour of various gods, war machines and rescources.
Fulgrim got a perfect psyker, angron he dueled enemies, mortition he gave somthibf and went to Magnus.
Magnus told him to feth off and later got his backing off arnham.

He refused him a audience when rounding up allies.

And .. I don,t k ow, if he did that might be somthibf to back up fact he never actively taken part in the black crusades or such.

That would mean that Gathering Storm would be the first time he's seen the other Traitor Primarchs in 10k years right?

When you're immortal you've got all the time in the world. Plus time passes quickly in the Warp

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Thing is Magnus is not on team chaos as such. He downright ignores abaddons plans, refused to meet him. Had nothing to do with any of em and seems to only of been following the grudgematch with wolves exclusively.

He is chaos, but he is not part of the black crusade club and just refuses to see them regarding it.

When did Magnus refuse to meet Abaddon? But the thing is, does he know that Horus did it?

Far as I know before one of the black crusades he went round the deamon primarchs to get the favour of various gods, war machines and rescources.
Fulgrim got a perfect psyker, angron he dueled enemies, mortition he gave somthibf and went to Magnus.
Magnus told him to feth off and later got his backing off arnham.

He refused him a audience when rounding up allies.

And .. I don,t k ow, if he did that might be somthibf to back up fact he never actively taken part in the black crusades or such.

That would mean that Gathering Storm would be the first time he's seen the other Traitor Primarchs in 10k years right?

Far as I know yes that is the first time he had been with them since thr Hersey or one of a very rare few in that time.

I believe it's hinted somewhere that Khayon pursuaded Magnus to bend the knee to Abaddon (*probably metaphorically)

We know that Magnus (or at least his legion) side with Horus ultimately, but that story has not yet been told.

I think Magnus knew full well that Horus was behind Russ change of orders. It's briefly mentioned in Thousand Sons (along with Valdor spurring him on, which is totally different to the account in Inferno)

Even though it makes sense that Magnus wouldn't know that Leman Russ' orders got changed by Horus at the time, he's addicted to learning things from the warp, surely there are daemons out there that know about this and would love to tell him, but then again maybe Tzeentch is waiting until Leman Russ is dead to tell Magnus.

I'd really like that plot twist. Unlikely that Games Workshop would ever do it.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Thing is Magnus is not on team chaos as such. He downright ignores abaddons plans, refused to meet him. Had nothing to do with any of em and seems to only of been following the grudgematch with wolves exclusively.

He is chaos, but he is not part of the black crusade club and just refuses to see them regarding it.

When did Magnus refuse to meet Abaddon? But the thing is, does he know that Horus did it?

Far as I know before one of the black crusades he went round the deamon primarchs to get the favour of various gods, war machines and rescources.
Fulgrim got a perfect psyker, angron he dueled enemies, mortition he gave somthibf and went to Magnus.
Magnus told him to feth off and later got his backing off arnham.

He refused him a audience when rounding up allies.

And .. I don,t k ow, if he did that might be somthibf to back up fact he never actively taken part in the black crusades or such.

That would mean that Gathering Storm would be the first time he's seen the other Traitor Primarchs in 10k years right?

Doubtfull. He has been out and fighting through the 10k years. Got to have had some cpntact during that

He's all Team Tzeentch now so likely accepts it all as part of JUST AS PLANNED, so it doesn't really matter to Magnus who gave the order to destroy Tizca.

But if the opportunity presented itself to punish either the Wolves or the Black Legion for their roles in it, I'm sure that could somehow be worked into the eternal scheming of Tzeentch, conveniently enough.

Biggest problem is we have no clue as to Magnus' actions after the burning of Prospero. What little we know is that he is still on the fence in some more recent publications (thief of revelations,betrayer,scars). In thief of revelations I get the vibe Magnus knows very much what Horus did, but still, rightfully in a way, blames Russ and in no small part the emperor for Nikae and everything that happened to his legion. Once again I don't Think Magnus is wrong thinking like that.


In old old material the first main action the TS undertook in support of horus was an attack on the phalanx at the height of the siege. So that's a seven year gap in wich we have no knowledge.

Also we know he got scattered from the Ahriman trilogy and was literally at war with himself so Magnus both knows and does not know, blames and does not blame, exacts vengeance and forgives all at the same time.

JUST AS PLANNED!!

I don't think he accepts anything, people with obsessions don't just accept things.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I don't think he accepts anything, people with obsessions don't just accept things.

I can personally attest to that, even though I should know better, bitter motherfether that I am.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I don't think he accepts anything, people with obsessions don't just accept things.

I wonder that if he found out and really believed that Horus did it, would he forgive the Space Wolves?

But from the HH novel, it seems like he believed Emprah ordered it anyway. Yet he still holds the Space Wolves accountable.


Kind of like how Lorgar and his WB held the UM accountable for the Emprah's orders.

I think he would not forgive the space wolves. He is too far in. He will think that they should have seen through the deception, that they followed the order with glee, that everything is a conspiracy against him.

My view aligns to that of Dakka Wolf. The sanity ship has sailed!

A friend made an interesting comment about Thousand Sons.
The fault behind the Wolves attack on Prospero is irrelevant. The Wolves destroyed books, Magnus cannot forgive them for that.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
A friend made an interesting comment about Thousand Sons.
The fault behind the Wolves attack on Prospero is irrelevant. The Wolves destroyed books, Magnus cannot forgive them for that.

Ah well they also smashed the Quietude's library and committed genocide. Space Wolves are either very good or very bad.

 Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
A friend made an interesting comment about Thousand Sons.
The fault behind the Wolves attack on Prospero is irrelevant. The Wolves destroyed books, Magnus cannot forgive them for that.

Ah well they also smashed the Quietude's library and committed genocide. Space Wolves are either very good or very bad.

Understatement Maximus, Aussies do that a bit.
Magnus killed Space Wolves for planning to destroy one library during the Crusades, could you imagine him forgiving them for destroying a whole planet of collected knowledge?

Both.
Space Wolves are very good at what they do.
What they do is attack, pillage, raze and basically make an example out of any community that upset the Emperor.

Prospro was not the only time Russ killed thousand sons the two never got along